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Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:45 am**

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:01 am
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:03 pm That was a stone cold red card, but wasn't.

There was another couple of decisions that swung the game, Leinster destabilised a scrum on the Munster 5m line and got a penalty advantage for it, it led to a further scrum and a try.

A few minutes later a Connacht player dived for the Leinster try line and was met with two seat belt tackles, the decision was a knock on and a scrum to Leinster. That scrum was not stable and a free kick was given to Leinster, who cleared their lines accordingly.

it was a shit show.
Seat belt tackles are ones from behind going over the shoulder, not when a guy dives head first for the line into and through arms which hit each shoulder. There was head contact but the tacklers did nothing wrong, had no chance to react, and were trying to tackle safely. It would have been a travesty if it were penalised - akin to allowing players to headbutt body parts to win a penalty.

I'm not sure that's correct, there is a refs discussion about seatbelt tackles on a forum here

In any event there was head contact and it's not a defence to say "what else is the defender supposed to do?" because that could be used for any wrongdoing, especially in the red zone where offences are penalised to a greater degree in the form of cards and penalty tries.

Any headbutt would be penalised so that comparison doesn't really work.

Rugby is notoriously difficult to referee and there is a lot of subjectivity involved, which of course the administrators are trying to lessen as much as they can, but it does lead to inconsistency and I think that is what gets everyone's backs up.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:44 pm**

Tichtheid wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:45 am
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:01 am
Tichtheid wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:03 pm That was a stone cold red card, but wasn't.

There was another couple of decisions that swung the game, Leinster destabilised a scrum on the Munster 5m line and got a penalty advantage for it, it led to a further scrum and a try.

A few minutes later a Connacht player dived for the Leinster try line and was met with two seat belt tackles, the decision was a knock on and a scrum to Leinster. That scrum was not stable and a free kick was given to Leinster, who cleared their lines accordingly.

it was a shit show.
Seat belt tackles are ones from behind going over the shoulder, not when a guy dives head first for the line into and through arms which hit each shoulder. There was head contact but the tacklers did nothing wrong, had no chance to react, and were trying to tackle safely. It would have been a travesty if it were penalised - akin to allowing players to headbutt body parts to win a penalty.

I'm not sure that's correct, there is a refs discussion about seatbelt tackles on a forum here

In any event there was head contact and it's not a defence to say "what else is the defender supposed to do?" because that could be used for any wrongdoing, especially in the red zone where offences are penalised to a greater degree in the form of cards and penalty tries.

Any headbutt would be penalised so that comparison doesn't really work.

Rugby is notoriously difficult to referee and there is a lot of subjectivity involved, which of course the administrators are trying to lessen as much as they can, but it does lead to inconsistency and I think that is what gets everyone's backs up.

Unless I'm missing something that link doesn't make any comment about whether seatbelt tackles are over the shoulder or not. The point in penalising them is because when they're done from behind they're always high and risk pulling the neck/head back. A player diving for the line aiming at arms and hitting them with his shoulders is a world away from that.

We can penalise every instance of head contact if you want..I'm certainly keen on it being stamped out where possible. But that specific situation is exactly the sort of thing that people use as an example of where the letter of the law makes it impossible to avoid.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:45 pm**

Huge effort from Bougarrit there. Clearance kick and then the first chaser to get to the receiving player and turns the ball over!

Front row roles have definitely changed.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:08 pm**

Whilst we're waiting for the next tie

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:29 pm**

Has to be red for the Toulouse player.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:36 pm**

Yes, pretty clear red

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:39 pm**

Surprisingly open game so far.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:46 pm**

2 lineout steals in a row. Ulster will want to get that sorted out.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:59 pm**

Toulouse have come up with some really effective counterrucking at times.

What a kick from Elstadt!

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:14 pm**

Good first half, I had the misfortune to watch Sale Bristol earlier . This is so much better.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:33 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:46 pm 2 lineout steals in a row. Ulster will want to get that sorted out.

5 steals now. Very poor.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:33 pm**

Arnold's collecting Ulster lineout's as if they were his own.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:38 pm**

I keep having to remind myself these games are over two legs.

It appears like a lot of the players haven't yet realized that too

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm**

Stranger wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:14 pm Good first half, I had the misfortune to watch Sale Bristol earlier . This is so much better.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:52 pm**

Toulouse really have been the architects of their own downfall. Barely any foot left to shoot.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:52 pm**

One aspect of rugby I really don't like is how frequently play gets waved on when a player is down and clearly seriously injured. Whichever player was down there for Toulouse was clearly fucked and play was right next to him. Arguably his being down encouraged Dupont to throw that long over the top ball rather than something shorter.

Think Balacoune's rather lucky to be deemed onside there...

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:53 pm**

fishfoodie wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm
Stranger wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:14 pm Good first half, I had the misfortune to watch Sale Bristol earlier . This is so much better.

It was worse than that.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm**

PCPhil wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:53 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm
Stranger wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:14 pm Good first half, I had the misfortune to watch Sale Bristol earlier . This is so much better.

It was worse than that.

Imagine what it's like having to support the fuckers

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:56 pm**

Brazil wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:54 pm
PCPhil wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:53 pm
fishfoodie wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:51 pm

It was worse than that.
Imagine what it's like having to support the fuckers

It's Lady P I feel sorry for....

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 4:07 pm**

That's big and it's been coming despite a bit of handling sloppiness.

Ulster should be concerned by the way Toulouse have made so much ground going through phases after being a man down since minute 10.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:04 pm**

According to Sam Warburton, Exeter represent how the premiership focus on power instead of breakdown skills, which is why the URC sides have fetchers and English teams don't

Yeah righto Sam

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:09 pm**

Munster a little lucky with that knock on call, I feel

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:13 pm**

Robson last week, Hogg this week. Teams are going to have to beware just punting goal line dropout's long beyond the capability of their chasers to contest.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:04 pm According to Sam Warburton, Exeter represent how the premiership focus on power instead of breakdown skills, which is why the URC sides have fetchers and English teams don't

Yeah righto Sam

It was an absolute nonsense from someone who's generally a reasonable pundit.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:17 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:13 pm Robson last week, Hogg this week. Teams are going to have to beware just punting goal line dropout's long beyond the capability of their chasers to contest.

JM2K6 wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:04 pm According to Sam Warburton, Exeter represent how the premiership focus on power instead of breakdown skills, which is why the URC sides have fetchers and English teams don't

Yeah righto Sam

It was an absolute nonsense from someone who's generally a reasonable pundit.

I don't know why more teams don't just chip the goal line drop out to themselves

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:20 pm**

Fair play to Exeter, that was some dogged defence, but how blunt are Munster?

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:21 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:20 pm Fair play to Exeter, that was some dogged defence, but how blunt are Munster?

It's anti-rugby, versus no rugby.

The commentators are trying to polish the turd.

[edit] Keet saving Muster there

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:26 pm**

God that's so stupid by Johnny Gray. He was always going to get held up there.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:28 pm**

Exeter are probably out now. A win in Thomond will be difficult, especially if you need it to be more than a score.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:38 pm**

sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:28 pm Exeter are probably out now. A win in Thomond will be difficult, especially if you need it to be more than a score.

They don't. They have a 5 point head start.

Posted: **Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:16 pm**

Been out all day but after Friday's dim red in the Soup, I see we still have players not getting the message on safe play.

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 pm**

Fair to say most neutrals would switch from Quins to Montpellier after seeing the shirts Quins are wearing today

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:09 pm**

JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 pm Fair to say most neutrals would switch from Quins to Montpellier after seeing the shirts Quins are wearing today

Even non-neutrals might have second thoughts about supporting a team in that particular shade of diarrhea green.

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:10 pm**

Lobby wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:09 pm
JM2K6 wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 pm Fair to say most neutrals would switch from Quins to Montpellier after seeing the shirts Quins are wearing today
Even non-neutrals might have second thoughts about supporting a team in that particular shade of diarrhea green.

I'm getting IBS just looking at it

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:17 pm**

Really disappointing to see Reinach lying on the ground clutching his head after a big tackle puts him on his arse.

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:17 pm**

Classic MH.Play so little rugby that when they attempt a break out, simply drop the ball

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:20 pm**

Quins trying to make really late passes and so far it's not working

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:23 pm**

Can you imagine an Exeter v MH final? Rugby cancer?

Look how lazy Ngadembe is "running" back!

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:25 pm**

Neither side winning any awards for their handling today.

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:26 pm**

Montpellier defence is really good. Poor kick by Smith, that needed to go long. Surprised it wasn't called a knock on

Posted: **Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:26 pm**

Poor decision, poor execution. Smith not at his best so far

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