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Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:24 am Yeah sure… every country has a senior coaching figure producing long winded and deranged monologues on social media attacking the refs.

It’s not the Saffas. We can all see the conspiracy against you.

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:30 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:33 pm Why would it not be? The referees are clearly being intimidated by South African fans and coaches.

As despicable as these fans are, this is not only a South African problem.

Barnes spoke of the abuse other referees have received too.
Remember when Ellis Genge received racist abuse online a couple of years back?
Ben O'Keeffe receiving abuse after Ireland's win over Australia last month.
Pau head coach grabs the arm of the ref last weekend.
Nigel Owens and Gareth Thomas receiving homophobic abuse.

So how you arrive at your deluded conclusion is quite astounding.

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:01 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:24 am Yeah sure… every country has a senior coaching figure producing long winded and deranged monologues on social media attacking the refs.

It’s not the Saffas. We can all see the conspiracy against you.

FFS get off your soapbox.

I've already said that Rassie has undoubtedly made the situation worse, but this is not just a South African problem.

Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:32 am It’s a problem everywhere, it is a particular problem with SA because you have a coach goading a section of your fans into taking things even further than others. I’m assuming you haven’t watched the interview?

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:27 pm Your team and fans are a disgrace and we’d all be better off without you. I don’t quite know how we pick up the pieces of the sport you’ve left behind

...labelling the decision to dismiss Manu Tuilagi as "absolute rubbish"

“It was 13 versus 16 at the end,” complained Jones.

...no doubt in my mind that he wasn’t as focused as he would be if it was a test match

He raged, he swore, he sarcastically applauded the match officials. He even became entangled in a verbal spat with an England fan.

England condemn online abuse - including Ellis Genge death threats

Earlier, England Rugby had sent its support to BBC reporter Sonja McLaughlan after she described how she had been reduced to tears after criticism of her post-match interviews.

The Welsh referee has a public social media account on Twitter, which has become the target for hundreds of French fans who were upset about the nature of France’s narrow loss to England at the weekend.

One contributor to the Bebo page said: "He [Barnes] should be hung so we can see him piss his pants wen he's shaking in mid air..." . The same supporter says: "We should put him in a lions den...with no clothes on.....then get a top sniper and sniper him on the head."

Alleged homophobic and racist abuse by England supporters towards the referee, Nigel Owens, during the defeat by New Zealand is to be investigated by the Rugby Football Union

_Os_ wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:34 pm

Biffer wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:59 pm

_Os_ wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:52 pm It's not convincing that Rassie has anything to do with it tbh. Rugby is big time in SA, especially in the western half of the country where it's a real national sport (multi class/culture/race, rugby being played to a high standard in clubs/schools/unis), the absolute number of individual people interested in the sport is much larger than anywhere else comparable. Maybe areas of France are similar in terms of raw numbers and interest across all of society, but there's a language barrier there.

In amateur club rugby there's been things like hooligan violence between opposing fans, and teams playing behind fences so fans cannot get onto the pitch to attack players. The sort of thing you would usually associate with European soccer. This is what happens when a sport really is big.

All this is old too. During the 1974 Lions tour Tommy Bedford was attacked by the Lions in the match against Natal, so the Kings Park crowd invaded the pitch and started beating the Lions players, forcing the Lions to retreat. This is the sort of shit that gets passed down from father to son. Nartjies and all the rest have always been thrown at the opposing team and the ref too..

Doing whatever to Rassie isn't going to stop someone in a suburb of CT/Joburg/Durban being a bit of a hooligan online.

So Russia is just a symptom not a cause? Cool, cool.

You mean Rassie not Russia?

I'm just posting the facts. When a sport is properly big it will reflect every part of that society and its culture. Which means when there's large urban populations there will always be a hooligan element (I've seen North American fans of their big sports rioting on the news in the past, a literal international incident). The chances of preventing all distasteful comments, are about the same as going to some English League One ground and managing to get the locals to stop chanting "the referee is a wanker" and to stop them throwing coins at the opposition goalkeeper whilst shouting he's a fat bastard.

Calculon wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:29 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 2:58 pm Yep, it's been noticeable since the Lions tour that Saffa rugby fans have become very angrily vocal on social media and are making a real name for themselves.

Ummm, some fans. I've not become angry on social media, in fact the only social media I'm on is a rugby free zone. I also bear no responsibility for the cunt or cunts on social media who made threats to Barnes's wife.

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:31 am Indian cricket fans are funny…….?

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:07 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:27 pm Your team and fans are a disgrace and we’d all be better off without you. I don’t quite know how we pick up the pieces of the sport you’ve left behind

It's a slow day at the office, so let's see just how disgraceful other coaches and fans have been recently.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/rugby/ ... 85971.html

...labelling the decision to dismiss Manu Tuilagi as "absolute rubbish"

“It was 13 versus 16 at the end,” complained Jones.

https://www.news24.com/Sport/hansen-que ... s-20171104

...no doubt in my mind that he wasn’t as focused as he would be if it was a test match

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-19/ ... nd/9165748

He raged, he swore, he sarcastically applauded the match officials. He even became entangled in a verbal spat with an England fan.

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... ons-defeat

England condemn online abuse - including Ellis Genge death threats

Earlier, England Rugby had sent its support to BBC reporter Sonja McLaughlan after she described how she had been reduced to tears after criticism of her post-match interviews.

https://rugbyonslaught.com/autumn-natio ... ial-media/

The Welsh referee has a public social media account on Twitter, which has become the target for hundreds of French fans who were upset about the nature of France’s narrow loss to England at the weekend.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/ ... ldcup20074

One contributor to the Bebo page said: "He [Barnes] should be hung so we can see him piss his pants wen he's shaking in mid air..." . The same supporter says: "We should put him in a lions den...with no clothes on.....then get a top sniper and sniper him on the head."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/ ... igel-owens

Alleged homophobic and racist abuse by England supporters towards the referee, Nigel Owens, during the defeat by New Zealand is to be investigated by the Rugby Football Union

Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:10 am What is happening with SA is an order of magnitude different to what happens in the rest of rugby, and if what happened to Barnes and his family is just being shrugged off I do wonder what happens next.
John Barclay put the saffer attitude to this best when he compared it to telling a kid on the playground to stop touching you and said kid staying millimetres from your face going ‘I’m not touching you’. This is basically what’s happening here. If you like what Rassie is doing, own it, don’t pretend it isn’t happening.

It all also reminds me of the siege mentality Brendan Venter created at Sarries, Rassie has created a conspiracy to try and motivate his players and sod the consequences. The Venter, Griffiths et al siege mentality nigh on destroyed the club I’ve supported all my life and I am worried what it is going to do to the wider sport now.
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assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:07 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:27 pm Your team and fans are a disgrace and we’d all be better off without you. I don’t quite know how we pick up the pieces of the sport you’ve left behind

It's a slow day at the office, so let's see just how disgraceful other coaches and fans have been recently.

_Os_ wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:52 pm It's not convincing that Rassie has anything to do with it tbh. Rugby is big time in SA, especially in the western half of the country where it's a real national sport (multi class/culture/race, rugby being played to a high standard in clubs/schools/unis), the absolute number of individual people interested in the sport is much larger than anywhere else comparable. Maybe areas of France are similar in terms of raw numbers and interest across all of society, but there's a language barrier there.

In amateur club rugby there's been things like hooligan violence between opposing fans, and teams playing behind fences so fans cannot get onto the pitch to attack players. The sort of thing you would usually associate with European soccer. This is what happens when a sport really is big.

All this is old too. During the 1974 Lions tour Tommy Bedford was attacked by the Lions in the match against Natal, so the Kings Park crowd invaded the pitch and started beating the Lions players, forcing the Lions to retreat. This is the sort of shit that gets passed down from father to son. Nartjies and all the rest have always been thrown at the opposing team and the ref too..

Doing whatever to Rassie isn't going to stop someone in a suburb of CT/Joburg/Durban being a bit of a hooligan online.

Guy Smiley wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:39 am

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:31 am Indian cricket fans are funny…….?

It’s a comparison.

Comparatively speaking, yes. They are.

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:26 am Recent eh? Well one of the articles is, the others are between 5 and 14 years old.
It's noticeable that in most case the governing body intervened with an apology or a reprimand. It's noticeable that we never hear a peep out of SARU about the actions of the cunt Erasmus let alone the vile abuse hurled at Barnes and his wife

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:34 am

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:26 am Recent eh? Well one of the articles is, the others are between 5 and 14 years old.
It's noticeable that in most case the governing body intervened with an apology or a reprimand. It's noticeable that we never hear a peep out of SARU about the actions of the cunt Erasmus let alone the vile abuse hurled at Barnes and his wife

Yes I noticed that too, just goes to show how far back this sort of shit has been going on. It supports my argument.

I agree about SARU, their silence is deafening.

So, does that make the South African team and fans a disgrace and should be removed from rugby?

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:53 am Yes, some of their fans are an utter disgrace and certainly Erasmus and SARU are. Erasmus should definitely be removed from all rugby though we shouldn't blame the SA team for his actions. It would be very interesting to know exactly what the players think of his antics, particuilarly the senior players.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:52 pm Suppose all the Rassie critics dont watch soccer specially the English Premier League.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:52 pm Suppose all the Rassie critics dont watch soccer specially the English Premier League.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:52 pm Suppose all the Rassie critics dont watch soccer specially the English Premier League.

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:52 pm Suppose all the Rassie critics dont watch soccer specially the English Premier League.

What a fucking stupid comment. You really are an apologist for him aren't you?

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:22 pm

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:52 pm Suppose all the Rassie critics dont watch soccer specially the English Premier League.

What a fucking stupid comment. You really are an apologist for him aren't you?

Not at all Boet. I do watch Premier League, Man U. I also watch hockey, follow the SA Team and also know Great Btitians coach well.

Personally I think NH rugby try to copy soccer, specially England.

The soccer refs and hockey umpires need to absorb a lot of abuse from players and supporters. The players also copy the diving. South Africa can learn from you lot.

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:30 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:22 pm

SaintK wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:56 pm
What a fucking stupid comment. You really are an apologist for him aren't you?

Not at all Boet. I do watch Premier League, Man U. I also watch hockey, follow the SA Team and also know Great Btitians coach well.

Personally I think NH rugby try to copy soccer, specially England.

The soccer refs and hockey umpires need to absorb a lot of abuse from players and supporters. The players also copy the diving. South Africa can learn from you lot.

Just stop talking out of your and arse digging yourself deeper in the shit

Paddington Bear wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:10 am

assfly wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:07 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:27 pm Your team and fans are a disgrace and we’d all be better off without you. I don’t quite know how we pick up the pieces of the sport you’ve left behind

It's a slow day at the office, so let's see just how disgraceful other coaches and fans have been recently.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/rugby/ ... 85971.html

...labelling the decision to dismiss Manu Tuilagi as "absolute rubbish"

“It was 13 versus 16 at the end,” complained Jones.

https://www.news24.com/Sport/hansen-que ... s-20171104

...no doubt in my mind that he wasn’t as focused as he would be if it was a test match

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-19/ ... nd/9165748

He raged, he swore, he sarcastically applauded the match officials. He even became entangled in a verbal spat with an England fan.

https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/n ... ons-defeat

England condemn online abuse - including Ellis Genge death threats

Earlier, England Rugby had sent its support to BBC reporter Sonja McLaughlan after she described how she had been reduced to tears after criticism of her post-match interviews.

https://rugbyonslaught.com/autumn-natio ... ial-media/

The Welsh referee has a public social media account on Twitter, which has become the target for hundreds of French fans who were upset about the nature of France’s narrow loss to England at the weekend.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/ ... ldcup20074

One contributor to the Bebo page said: "He [Barnes] should be hung so we can see him piss his pants wen he's shaking in mid air..." . The same supporter says: "We should put him in a lions den...with no clothes on.....then get a top sniper and sniper him on the head."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/ ... igel-owens

Alleged homophobic and racist abuse by England supporters towards the referee, Nigel Owens, during the defeat by New Zealand is to be investigated by the Rugby Football Union

Right, no one is saying only saffers have a pop at refs. However, England fans and media consistently criticised Eddie for the comments he made, likewise other nations with their coaches. From my perspective, and there’s no reason you’d check out the England thread, I’ve pretty consistently had a go at English players going on at the ref. As mentioned before I’ve reffed myself and ended up deciding I couldn’t be bothered after a three week period where:
- a Dad of an Under 13 followed me up and down the touchline for the entire game going on about every decision almost without taking a breath.

- at the encouragement of their coach an Under 15s side started yelling ‘how much are they paying you?’ At every decision I made, because I’d pointed out at half time he had, deliberately or otherwise, been undercounting the opposition’s score on the board

- in a loser goes down last match of the season, with the hosts four points down, I reversed a penalty in the last minute for the hosts’ 14 running in from 30 yards away to land a haymaker after I’d blown my whistle. I was followed off the pitch and into the changing room by the home team and the club chairman offered me the usual post match pint having clearly spat in it.

I never reffed again and I’m told things are getting *worse*, driven by what is happening in the pro game.

The game needs to be harder on it full stop.

What is happening with SA is an order of magnitude different to what happens in the rest of rugby, and if what happened to Barnes and his family is just being shrugged off I do wonder what happens next.
John Barclay put the saffer attitude to this best when he compared it to telling a kid on the playground to stop touching you and said kid staying millimetres from your face going ‘I’m not touching you’. This is basically what’s happening here. If you like what Rassie is doing, own it, don’t pretend it isn’t happening.

It all also reminds me of the siege mentality Brendan Venter created at Sarries, Rassie has created a conspiracy to try and motivate his players and sod the consequences. The Venter, Griffiths et al siege mentality nigh on destroyed the club I’ve supported all my life and I am worried what it is going to do to the wider sport now.
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Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:27 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:16 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:45 pm
I’d strongly recommend watching the interview. It’s clear he accepts to an extent personal abuse and also accepts he has made mistakes, but draws a line at his wife being threatened with sexual violence and his kids being threatened as well. As any normal person would.

Which is my point. I’ve reffed myself, you accept you’re not going to be everyone’s mate. What’s happened recently, predominantly coming from SA, is a line has been crossed to such an extent that the world’s top ref with 100 internationals under his belt and as you reference having laughed off having his face used as a urinal previously has considered packing it in. The inference I’ve drawn, that the integrity of the RWC is now plausibly threatened, doesn’t seem like a major leap at all.

Now why do you throw a tantrum? Grow a thick skin Boet.

‘I am very worried about what happens next in a sport where the most experienced ref considers quitting as a result of South African fans threatening his wife with sexual violence’
‘Don’t throw a tantrum’

Your team and fans are a disgrace and we’d all be better off without you. I don’t quite know how we pick up the pieces of the sport you’ve left behind

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:32 pm
Nee Boet, look at France. They are on their way to soccer and rugby World Cups. They are the best divers on the sport field.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:34 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:32 pm
Nee Boet, look at France. They are on their way to soccer and rugby World Cups. They are the best divers on the sport field.

Diving has nothing to do with ref abuse.

You’re talking shit again.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:47 am

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:34 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:32 pm
Nee Boet, look at France. They are on their way to soccer and rugby World Cups. They are the best divers on the sport field.

Diving has nothing to do with ref abuse.

You’re talking shit again.

Vokof doos. It's all bad habits from you chicken runners.

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:51 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:47 am

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:34 am

Diving has nothing to do with ref abuse.

You’re talking shit again.

Vokof doos. It's all bad habits from you chicken runners.

Klingons are the touchy, laager-mentality fans who go on Twitter and abuse refs. They’re the ones who think what Rassie is doing is cool.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:47 am

Sandstorm wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:34 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:32 pm
Nee Boet, look at France. They are on their way to soccer and rugby World Cups. They are the best divers on the sport field.

Diving has nothing to do with ref abuse.

You’re talking shit again.

Vokof doos. It's all bad habits from you chicken runners.

Sards wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:36 pm I hate this. All Saffers get the shit for the Rassie c%#k suckers

Sards wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:36 pm I hate this. All Saffers get the shit for the Rassie c%#k suckers

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Feb 13, 2023 11:14 am Now the Irish included


https://rugby365.com/countries/france/i ... ee-barnes/