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Melatonin is great if you have trouble getting to sleep.
Much better than benzo's or other so called sleeping tablets.

C69 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:08 pm Melatonin is great if you have trouble getting to sleep.
Much better than benzo's or other so called sleeping tablets.

I take melatonin. It helps... at first I misunderstood the usage. I took it when I felt I needed help to get to sleep... then my GP suggested I should just take the dose every day. Help your body build up levels, etc.

Do recommend.

Woke up at silly o’clock this morning. Wide awake. Quite unusual for me.

The best way to set yourself up for a good night's kip is a decent shag before bed

Failing that (if you've pissed off your missus), magnesium tablets knock me right out.

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:57 am

C69 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:08 pm Melatonin is great if you have trouble getting to sleep.
Much better than benzo's or other so called sleeping tablets.

I take melatonin. It helps... at first I misunderstood the usage. I took it when I felt I needed help to get to sleep... then my GP suggested I should just take the dose every day. Help your body build up levels, etc.

Do recommend.

I've used off and on - like most sleeping drugs/treatments, my brain likes to laugh at them after a while!

Interestingly, if you have a headache from Melatonin after waking, the dose is too strong.

Jim Lahey wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:07 am The best way to set yourself up for a good night's kip is a decent shag before bed

Failing that (if you've pissed off your missus), magnesium tablets knock me right out.

Yeah, Magnesium is more regular here

mat the expat wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:52 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:57 am

C69 wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:08 pm Melatonin is great if you have trouble getting to sleep.
Much better than benzo's or other so called sleeping tablets.

I take melatonin. It helps... at first I misunderstood the usage. I took it when I felt I needed help to get to sleep... then my GP suggested I should just take the dose every day. Help your body build up levels, etc.

Do recommend.

I've used off and on - like most sleeping drugs/treatments, my brain likes to laugh at them after a while!

Interestingly, if you have a headache from Melatonin after waking, the dose is too strong.

A morning headache may indicate the melatonin does is too strong.
From a sleep medicine point of view a persistent morning headache coupled with other symptoms is more likely to indicate elevated carbon dioxide levels.
These may be suggestive of sleep apnoea or sleep disordered breathing.
CPAP or NIV may be indicated. You have to have a sleep study/polysomnography to determine if there is a more obstructive or central cause.
Or you may just have Type 2 respiratory failure.

Correct diagnosis is the key.

And yes I do this shit for a living

Average sleep this month so far 6hrs 38 mins. Been waking up ~5am this week but fell asleep in front of the TV @ 21:30 and went up to bed ~11pm. Cat spent 20 mins on my chest last night and then buggered off.

I am late 60s and my sleep pattern should change with age. It is, but not the way expected.

I sleep a solid 9 hours every night. I fall asleep within seconds of my head hitting the pillow, and wake up bright eyed 9 hours later.

Easily 2 hours more than when I was working. I go to bed at the same time, just wake up much later.

We do not have a cat, but we do have dogs. The one excpetion to the above is one comes in at 5am wanting patted. I wake up, pat him for a couple of minutes, and go back to sleep.

I have tried different bed times out of curiosity, same result.

If I don't get the 9 hours, I will fall asleep at some time during the day. Usually sitting in a comfy chair reading a magazine or similar, but my wife has found me head down asleep on the keyboard.

C69 wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:52 am

mat the expat wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:52 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:57 am

I take melatonin. It helps... at first I misunderstood the usage. I took it when I felt I needed help to get to sleep... then my GP suggested I should just take the dose every day. Help your body build up levels, etc.

Do recommend.

I've used off and on - like most sleeping drugs/treatments, my brain likes to laugh at them after a while!

Interestingly, if you have a headache from Melatonin after waking, the dose is too strong.

A morning headache may indicate the melatonin does is too strong.
From a sleep medicine point of view a persistent morning headache coupled with other symptoms is more likely to indicate elevated carbon dioxide levels.
These may be suggestive of sleep apnoea or sleep disordered breathing.
CPAP or NIV may be indicated. You have to have a sleep study/polysomnography to determine if there is a more obstructive or central cause.
Or you may just have Type 2 respiratory failure.

Correct diagnosis is the key.

And yes I do this shit for a living

I've done sleep studies - non CPAP here. For a fat bastard, I don't snore at all

My point re melatonin was when I used it, not current.

My issue is brain activity, not airwaves. I literally struggle to get to sleep

Checkout/Google leptin intolerance

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:03 am Checkout/Google leptin intolerance

Foods With Leptin
Berries.
Unsweetened Beverages. ...
Healthy Oils. ...
Vegetables. ...
Legumes. ...
Lean Meat, Poultry, and Fish. ...
Whole Grains. ...
Salad Greens.


Jesus, are you suggesting we all eat McDonalds 24/7??

C69 wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:52 am

mat the expat wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:52 am

Guy Smiley wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:57 am

I take melatonin. It helps... at first I misunderstood the usage. I took it when I felt I needed help to get to sleep... then my GP suggested I should just take the dose every day. Help your body build up levels, etc.

Do recommend.

I've used off and on - like most sleeping drugs/treatments, my brain likes to laugh at them after a while!

Interestingly, if you have a headache from Melatonin after waking, the dose is too strong.

A morning headache may indicate the melatonin does is too strong.
From a sleep medicine point of view a persistent morning headache coupled with other symptoms is more likely to indicate elevated carbon dioxide levels.
These may be suggestive of sleep apnoea or sleep disordered breathing.
CPAP or NIV may be indicated. You have to have a sleep study/polysomnography to determine if there is a more obstructive or central cause.
Or you may just have Type 2 respiratory failure.

Correct diagnosis is the key.

And yes I do this shit for a living

I have been using Nytol and sominex for several months now.

Slightly worried as hear that it (Nytol) can have dependence/addictive properties. So have switched between the two types. Standard dosage. Is this ok?

weegie01 wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:24 am I am late 60s and my sleep pattern should change with age. It is, but not the way expected.

I sleep a solid 9 hours every night. I fall asleep within seconds of my head hitting the pillow, and wake up bright eyed 9 hours later.

Easily 2 hours more than when I was working. I go to bed at the same time, just wake up much later.

We do not have a cat, but we do have dogs. The one excpetion to the above is one comes in at 5am wanting patted. I wake up, pat him for a couple of minutes, and go back to sleep.

I have tried different bed times out of curiosity, same result.

If I don't get the 9 hours, I will fall asleep at some time during the day. Usually sitting in a comfy chair reading a magazine or similar, but my wife has found me head down asleep on the keyboard.

Same here, haven’t experienced the “elderly need less sleep” thing yet. Read until 11 :45 and drop off straight away. Once in a blue moon for some reason I don’t and then I’ll be awake all night. Most times I’ll wake up early morning and go back to sleep, usually wake properly about 8:00.
I have friends of the same sort of age who are up and about at 6:00 or 7:00. God knows what they do then, breakfast tv I suppose.

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:30 am

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:03 am Checkout/Google leptin intolerance

Foods With Leptin
Berries.
Unsweetened Beverages. ...
Healthy Oils. ...
Vegetables. ...
Legumes. ...
Lean Meat, Poultry, and Fish. ...
Whole Grains. ...
Salad Greens.


Jesus, are you suggesting we all eat McDonalds 24/7??

I am talking about the appetite hormone associated with sleep
I know nothing about Nytol.

Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:56 pm Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Sounds like a Subgroup chat on Youporn

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:56 pm Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Having a heart attack in the arsehole . . What a line
Do you mind me asking what you have PTSD from?

Jim Lahey wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:31 pm

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:56 pm Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Having a heart attack in the arsehole . . What a line
Do you mind me asking what you have PTSD from?

Now you've done it......

When left to just my body/ brain to decide, a 1am to 5am is the norm, but I also often 2am to 4h30am "sleep". I've tried various sleeping pills, no luck. I remember 1 night taking one of my brother's sleeping pills (which he is addicted to - 20 tablets and a bottle of brandy isn't unusual) and I eat awake the whole night.

Recently I found something that works: edibles. And in low dosage too. A strong CBD tea is usually enough, but about 20-30mg of gummies work even better.... without even a hint of a high or feeling stoned. And I wake up the next morning fresh and ready for the day.

I also suffer from severe aches very often for the last 5 years or so. That's where I have to resort to the big guns.... proper spliff (or less preferably about 80mg of edibles).

So CBD for people with less severe sleeping problems, small courage of THC for more severe cases.

This is all on my doctor's recommendations btw. I also have to use THC to help me get off my meds, and also to replace them.

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 3:04 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:31 pm

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:56 pm Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Having a heart attack in the arsehole . . What a line
Do you mind me asking what you have PTSD from?

Now you've done it......

It's Proctalgia Fugax btw a form of levator syndrome.
I've only ever heard about it, sounds terrifying.

Jim Lahey wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:31 pm

Line6 HXFX wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:56 pm Prostaglia fujax last night, from the PTSD dreams.
It is like having an heart attack in the asrehole.
6 minutes of the most intense pain.
My hands are still shaking.

Having a heart attack in the arsehole . . What a line
Do you mind me asking what you have PTSD from?

Hit by a car a year and a half ago.

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:15 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 3:04 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:31 pm

Having a heart attack in the arsehole . . What a line
Do you mind me asking what you have PTSD from?

Now you've done it......

It's Proctalgia Fugax btw a form of levator syndrome.
I've only ever heard about it, sounds terrifying.

I know, my thingy auto corrected, thought I corrected it back..
First time I had it I fainted..came around with my mum standing over me, I remember saying "my bum" and just before passing out again remember being treated to the sight of my own mother actually going down to have a look at my arse.
I honestly thought colon cancer. Nothing that painful where you collapse and faint from pain could be anything else.

Stage 4 cancer.

Its perfectly harmless apparently, well unless you faint when you are driving or on the stairs etc.
I normally get it with stress dreams at night, so just bite the pillow until it goes or I pass out. They say jumping in a warm bath helps. I don't think wandering around in that sort of agony, tryng to run a bath is a good idea.