International drug trafficking

[yermum]

I have a prescription for stimulant drugs which treats my ADHD.

I can say with some confidence that many many people in my position have remained undiagnosed and have ended up fucked up on street drugs or alcohol or other more insidious addictions gambling etc.

Drugs are great and I can live a full and happy lifestyle because of them.

[Harveys]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists

Most people don't have a problem with drugs, they have a problem with crime. The obvious fix then eludes them.

I did drugs related course at uni in the 70s. Even that far back the lecturers were saying that the only way to control drugs was by legalisation and regulation. Which would have the side effect of making the drugs safer.

The taking of some form of drugs is so normalised now that I doubt the counter argument that legalisation will result in a greater uptake holds water any more. Even if it did, surely it is better in a regulated, safe, environment where the dangers are both controlled and highlighted?

Totally disagree on that front. There is a large volume of people out there that will not take drugs because they are illegal. Remove that barrier and they will have a greater potential to start taking drugs when under any kind of peer pressure.

Any person prevented from taking drugs is a win in my mind.

Youth drinking rates are coming down in Australia. Cultural attitudes are changing. While your point may apply in some instances the overall net positive on society, I feel outweighs it.

[Harveys]

And I'm not claiming authority on the subject I'm just saying that for me, the prospect of having to do some research and then meet up with some scumbag in a back alley to buy drugs has always been a deterrent.

That's a very romanticised version of the drug trade and highly inaccurate. Most people would simply ask at a party.

Fair enough but isn't this all very highly situational? It might be that I've lived a sheltered life but I've never seen someone snorting lines of cocaine at a party or been offered any.

It's actually one of those strange things about life, people might end up with a drug habit for no other reason than the fact they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not really. It doesn’t work that way and this illustrates a common misunderstanding of drug and alcohol abuse. If consumption was the main trigger for addiction or alcoholism all the regulars at your local would become alcoholics, same goes for drugs. There are people who go out on weekends and take a variety of drugs who eventually just grow out of it or stop.

Statements like that sound like fear mongering from conservatives or church groups.

[Harveys]

Not sure about the legalization thing with opiates and meth. The opiate epidemic was created in the US by legal access to strong opiates. Once regulation tightened up, addicts moved to heroin or fentanyl sourced on the streets. Decriminalization in Portland and Vancouver has been disastrous. I'm all for weed, and the non-addictive hallucinogenics being legalized and maybe even cocaine. But the real destructive ones like meth and heroin are very scary.

Some of us have probably seen the videos of street life in Portland... it's a disaster zone.

The key to this is decriminalising the problem and moving it into a health issue. Using the USA as an example though, is just not going to fly. Their privatised health system is fucked. Dysfunctional at best, corrupt and rotten to the core more like. It's no model to hold up when you're talking about decriminalising drugs.

I deliberately chose the word decriminalise as despite being a pretty liberal type with very definite Left leaning political views, I don't support the notion of legalising all drugs and I'm uncomfortable with the word being used in a blanket way when discussing the issue.

You think about the sheer scope of the problem and wonder how you'd address that as a health related issue with various community treatment, education and recovery programs... then you think about the astronomical waste of resources that goes into fighting it as a legal issue (The War on Drugs) and I reckon there's money in the system to support it. It just needs diverting.

Its worth noting that America is a good example of the consequence of an unhealthy society.

Decimalisation in country’s that care for the wellbeing of its citizens and society will see positive outcomes, quite the opposite to the mess the US is facing.

[Harveys]

I really dislike the Netherlands/Belgian model of decriminalisation. There's no regulation, no control of THC levels and its all still very much a mess. Okay, so you have grannies growing a few plants in their window boxes making a few quid instead of organised criminals, but apart from that I don't see the advantage.

Legalise it, regulate it, commercialise it and of course tax it! All with extensive education/information campaigns.


The likes of Heroin and Cocaine are very different animals. I dont' think anyone is suggesting being able to walk into your local 7/11 and buying yourself a hit. However, properly trained healthcare professionals should have the ability to treat addicts, including being able to prescribe diamorphine as a part of that treatment.

By removing the criminal element of the treatment of the disease, as well as the potential for harm from self treatment, you remove a significant number fo the problems associated with it. Addicts can continue to have jobs, families and go about their daily lives the same as anyone else.

Sensible post, it amazes me how people rationalise and justify continuing with such an obviously broken system.
Addiction is an issue that at its core is a problem with disconnection and meaning with oneself and life. The current system is rigged to perpetuate that not elevate it.

[FalseBayFC]

Its a much bigger problem than simply legalizing it. In SA we recently decriminalized weed use. I agree with this step. We don't have the resources to regulate the industry so private dealers continue to handle things.

I've read that UK has 350 000 hard drug users . You'd need a huge investment in your health system to handle the management of treating the mental and physical health of that lot. The NHS is buckling as it is. I agree in principle with decriminalizing and regulating drugs. I just don't think that it will hurt the black market much.

[PornDog]

I've read that UK has 350 000 hard drug users . You'd need a huge investment in your health system to handle the management of treating the mental and physical health of that lot. The NHS is buckling as it is. I agree in principle with decriminalizing and regulating drugs. I just don't think that it will hurt the black market much.

But the logical follow up question is - how much does it cost your society to not treat these people? How much does it cost in petty crime, in funding organised crime and all the associated issues that comes with that, in funding policing, the courts and prisons which certainly appears to have next to no positive effect?

Obviously in a system where scoring points against your political opponents is more important than competent governance this all becomes even more difficult - it's all such a colossal fucking mess! Think I might turn to heroin just to cope with it all.

[Hugo]

That's a very romanticised version of the drug trade and highly inaccurate. Most people would simply ask at a party.

Fair enough but isn't this all very highly situational? It might be that I've lived a sheltered life but I've never seen someone snorting lines of cocaine at a party or been offered any.

It's actually one of those strange things about life, people might end up with a drug habit for no other reason than the fact they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not really. It doesn’t work that way and this illustrates a common misunderstanding of drug and alcohol abuse. If consumption was the main trigger for addiction or alcoholism all the regulars at your local would become alcoholics, same goes for drugs. There are people who go out on weekends and take a variety of drugs who eventually just grow out of it or stop.

Statements like that sound like fear mongering from conservatives or church groups.

Consumption might not be the main trigger but surely access plays a role.

Access = opportunity. If you can't obtain a drug you don't even have the opportunity to abuse it. Like I said, for all I know I could be predisposed to drug addiction yet I would never know because I've never had even one opportunity to try them.

[Hugo]

Or put another way - in my late teens and early twenties I came a cropper quite a few times as a consequence of getting drunk. Waking up in a ditch wondering how I got there, that type of thing.

I never had analogous experiences with hard drugs and the main reason was that booze is much easier to obtain and is more socially acceptable. Being hard to get might have saved me from ODing. It might sound alarmist but if I was as irresponsible with drugs as I was with booze it would have been a distinct possibility.

[Happyhooker]

The ONS most recent survey (June 22) on drug use showed that approx 880k adults in the uk used class A drugs fyi.

Also, re Hugo's point re access. Use was down 40% from the previous survey, with 80% of people reporting that reduced usage was due to the lack of social situations in which to take them (covid). Lack of access may be a factor in drug taking, but it is far from the only one

Edit. There have also been many studies that have shown that many people who only wanted to experience lower grade drugs (mainly cannabis) are, by the fact that they are illegal, put into situations where unscrupulous dealers can manipulate them onto harder drugs.

The war on drugs is a farce and was lost years ago. As an example, the price of a gram of cocaine in london hasn't changed in 30 years. Name another good where that is true.

A well regulated, taxed, educated drug supply would save many lives, save the state a lot of money and, in the long run give the chancellor a huge tax input. The market was estimated at around £10bn pa. VAT, business tax, business rates, PAYE from that would be a sizable amount

[shaggy]

The ONS most recent survey (June 22) on drug use showed that approx 880k adults in the uk used class A drugs fyi.

Also, re Hugo's point re access. Use was down 40% from the previous survey, with 80% of people reporting that reduced usage was due to the lack of social situations in which to take them (covid). Lack of access may be a factor in drug taking, but it is far from the only one

Edit. There have also been many studies that have shown that many people who only wanted to experience lower grade drugs (mainly cannabis) are, by the fact that they are illegal, put into situations where unscrupulous dealers can manipulate them onto harder drugs.

The war on drugs is a farce and was lost years ago. As an example, the price of a gram of cocaine in london hasn't changed in 30 years. Name another good where that is true.

A well regulated, taxed, educated drug supply would save many lives, save the state a lot of money and, in the long run give the chancellor a huge tax input. The market was estimated at around £10bn pa. VAT, business tax, business rates, PAYE from that would be a sizable amount

I have been flying to Aberdeen for nearly 30 years, the return ticket price has not moved from approx. £350 in that time on BA.

[Slick]

The ONS most recent survey (June 22) on drug use showed that approx 880k adults in the uk used class A drugs fyi.

Also, re Hugo's point re access. Use was down 40% from the previous survey, with 80% of people reporting that reduced usage was due to the lack of social situations in which to take them (covid). Lack of access may be a factor in drug taking, but it is far from the only one

Edit. There have also been many studies that have shown that many people who only wanted to experience lower grade drugs (mainly cannabis) are, by the fact that they are illegal, put into situations where unscrupulous dealers can manipulate them onto harder drugs.

The war on drugs is a farce and was lost years ago. As an example, the price of a gram of cocaine in london hasn't changed in 30 years. Name another good where that is true.

A well regulated, taxed, educated drug supply would save many lives, save the state a lot of money and, in the long run give the chancellor a huge tax input. The market was estimated at around £10bn pa. VAT, business tax, business rates, PAYE from that would be a sizable amount

The quality has though. Most people I knew had the choice of a gram at the usual price or more for better stuff, cutting it with endless crap has helped prices stay the same

[Guy Smiley]

I have been flying to Aberdeen for nearly 30 years, the return ticket price has not moved from approx. £350 in that time on BA.

Air travel became cheaper and cheaper, relatively speaking, over that 30 years.

[Happyhooker]

The ONS most recent survey (June 22) on drug use showed that approx 880k adults in the uk used class A drugs fyi.

Also, re Hugo's point re access. Use was down 40% from the previous survey, with 80% of people reporting that reduced usage was due to the lack of social situations in which to take them (covid). Lack of access may be a factor in drug taking, but it is far from the only one

Edit. There have also been many studies that have shown that many people who only wanted to experience lower grade drugs (mainly cannabis) are, by the fact that they are illegal, put into situations where unscrupulous dealers can manipulate them onto harder drugs.

The war on drugs is a farce and was lost years ago. As an example, the price of a gram of cocaine in london hasn't changed in 30 years. Name another good where that is true.

A well regulated, taxed, educated drug supply would save many lives, save the state a lot of money and, in the long run give the chancellor a huge tax input. The market was estimated at around £10bn pa. VAT, business tax, business rates, PAYE from that would be a sizable amount

The quality has though. Most people I knew had the choice of a gram at the usual price or more for better stuff, cutting it with endless crap has helped prices stay the same

The same was true 25 years ago

[Happyhooker]

The ONS most recent survey (June 22) on drug use showed that approx 880k adults in the uk used class A drugs fyi.

Also, re Hugo's point re access. Use was down 40% from the previous survey, with 80% of people reporting that reduced usage was due to the lack of social situations in which to take them (covid). Lack of access may be a factor in drug taking, but it is far from the only one

Edit. There have also been many studies that have shown that many people who only wanted to experience lower grade drugs (mainly cannabis) are, by the fact that they are illegal, put into situations where unscrupulous dealers can manipulate them onto harder drugs.

The war on drugs is a farce and was lost years ago. As an example, the price of a gram of cocaine in london hasn't changed in 30 years. Name another good where that is true.

A well regulated, taxed, educated drug supply would save many lives, save the state a lot of money and, in the long run give the chancellor a huge tax input. The market was estimated at around £10bn pa. VAT, business tax, business rates, PAYE from that would be a sizable amount

I have been flying to Aberdeen for nearly 30 years, the return ticket price has not moved from approx. £350 in that time on BA.

You've been mugged then. The market price point for flights has massively reduced for flights over that period.

Anyway, that's probably the most inconsequential part of my post

[FalseBayFC]

I've read that UK has 350 000 hard drug users . You'd need a huge investment in your health system to handle the management of treating the mental and physical health of that lot. The NHS is buckling as it is. I agree in principle with decriminalizing and regulating drugs. I just don't think that it will hurt the black market much.

But the logical follow up question is - how much does it cost your society to not treat these people? How much does it cost in petty crime, in funding organised crime and all the associated issues that comes with that, in funding policing, the courts and prisons which certainly appears to have next to no positive effect?

Obviously in a system where scoring points against your political opponents is more important than competent governance this all becomes even more difficult - it's all such a colossal fucking mess! Think I might turn to heroin just to cope with it all.

I guess living in a dysfunctional country like South Africa has jaded my views on all of this. I live in an affluent suburb of Cape Town and not 20km are the Cape Flats with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Massive drug use and gangs who rival the Mexican cartels for brutality. I see news about the UK and how you're battling with your water issue for example. It seems making any substantive change is almost impossible over there.

Like, why does one of the richest countries in the world have to import doctors from third world countries? You know that means we have fewer doctors to treat our own population and less money because our government pays for the universities to train those doctors.

[Line6 HXFX]

Worked on the front line of substance misuse for years.

All I can say is drugs are illegal, mainly because the entertainment industry cannot compete.
Society wants you to spend 600 quid on a holiday...not feel just as much joy and relaxation on a 6 quid pill.

The west relies in a protestant work ethic, and us getting happiness and joy from quite limited legal recreations. Holidays, movies, music, physical exercise, alcohol (depressant).
Allow joy to be easily accessible affordable, intense and in the shape if a cheap pill, and it will screw with all of that.

Drugs/ substances are the great economy fuck. That is why they are illegal.

I mean the tories killed 300 thousand people with austerity, you think they care if you live or die or care about your health?

They care about their businesses though.

[Happyhooker]

Worked on the front line of substance misuse for years.

All I can say is drugs are illegal, mainly because the entertainment industry cannot compete.
Society wants you to spend 600 quid on a holiday...not feel just as much joy and relaxation on a 6 quid pill.

The west relies in a protestant work ethic, and us getting happiness and joy from quite limited legal recreations. Holidays, movies, music, physical exercise, alcohol (depressant).
Allow joy to be easily accessible affordable, intense and in the shape if a cheap pill, and it will screw with all of that.

Drugs are the great economy fuck.

[Line6 HXFX]

Oh great, this passive aggressive shit head is stalking me again.

[Gumboot]

Worked on the front line of substance misuse for years.

All I can say is drugs are illegal, mainly because the entertainment industry cannot compete.
Society wants you to spend 600 quid on a holiday...not feel just as much joy and relaxation on a 6 quid pill.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound disrespectful to those who are actually struggling, but that's just illogical horseshit.

[sockwithaticket]

I've read that UK has 350 000 hard drug users . You'd need a huge investment in your health system to handle the management of treating the mental and physical health of that lot. The NHS is buckling as it is. I agree in principle with decriminalizing and regulating drugs. I just don't think that it will hurt the black market much.

But the logical follow up question is - how much does it cost your society to not treat these people? How much does it cost in petty crime, in funding organised crime and all the associated issues that comes with that, in funding policing, the courts and prisons which certainly appears to have next to no positive effect?

Obviously in a system where scoring points against your political opponents is more important than competent governance this all becomes even more difficult - it's all such a colossal fucking mess! Think I might turn to heroin just to cope with it all.

I guess living in a dysfunctional country like South Africa has jaded my views on all of this. I live in an affluent suburb of Cape Town and not 20km are the Cape Flats with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Massive drug use and gangs who rival the Mexican cartels for brutality. I see news about the UK and how you're battling with your water issue for example. It seems making any substantive change is almost impossible over there.

Like, why does one of the richest countries in the world have to import doctors from third world countries? You know that means we have fewer doctors to treat our own population and less money because our government pays for the universities to train those doctors.

Because we treat ours so poorly that they're all escaping to the rest of the developed world. One of my friends has only been back from New Zealand for about 9 months because she missed home, but that long back in the NHS has her looking to head back down south already.

And don't forget, we also pinch nurses from the developing world for much the same reason.

[SaintK]

Oh great, this passive aggressive shit head is stalking me again.

Maybe he's laughing at you due to the absolute horseshit drivel you post.

[Happyhooker]

Oh great, this passive aggressive shit head is stalking me again.

Maybe he's laughing at you due to the absolute horseshit drivel you post.

I must remember that laughing at an asinine post on a thread I'm engaging with is stalking. When will i ever learn?

[Line6 HXFX]

I actually know someone who got caught smuggling drugs internationally. Poor bastard was an alcoholic from Bristol. Lived in Ebbw Vale. One funny witty bastard. Great drummer as it goes. Got involved with Yardies, through a brother of his ..and they convinced him to take drugs (not sure which one) either into or out of Jamaica. As he was a desperate alcoholic he did it for not much money..He got caught (either going in or coming out) and had to do 10 years hard labour in a Jamaican prison. Released 6 years later. Poor bastard had pancreatitus..and didn't have access to his medication (or the proper dose) the whole time he was there. He looked like he had been in Auschwitz when I bumped into him a year of so after his release.

Think 200 quid the yardies paid him.


I had lots of mates and collegues who were either drug users, former drug users, parents of drug users and even a drug trafficker for a while there.
All dead now.
Went there to do a Database. Stayed for the crazy f'king stories.

[Guy Smiley]

Oh great, this passive aggressive shit head is stalking me again.

Maybe he's laughing at you due to the absolute horseshit drivel you post.

I must remember that laughing at an asinine post on a thread I'm engaging with is stalking. When will i ever learn?

refry sees a LOT of stalkers.

Everywhere, stalkers. At the shops? Stalkers.
On the bus? Stalkers.
Dole office? Stalker city.
Front loungeroom? Stalkers on the ceiling.

Them and their nasty locust noises.

[Slick]

I actually know someone who got caught smuggling drugs internationally. Poor bastard was an alcoholic from Bristol. Lived in Ebbw Vale. One funny witty bastard. Great drummer as it goes. Got involved with Yardies, through a brother of his ..and they convinced him to take drugs (not sure which one) either into or out of Jamaica. As he was a desperate alcoholic he did it for not much money..He got caught (either going in or coming out) and had to do 10 years hard labour in a Jamaican prison. Released 6 years later. Poor bastard had pancreatitus..and didn't have access to his medication (or the proper dose) the whole time he was there. He looked like he had been in Auschwitz when I bumped into him a year of so after his release.

Think 200 quid the yardies paid him.


I had lots of mates and collegues who were either drug users, former drug users, parents of drug users and even a drug trafficker for a while there.
All dead now.
Went there to do a Database. Stayed for the crazy f'king stories.

Being a drugs mule is pretty stupid anyway, but doing it to/from Jamaica is really fucking stupid, it's like shooting fish in a barrel for the Border Force guys. Desperate people.

[Line6 HXFX]

Funny, having worked in Substance misuse for many many years, helping desperate friends and family of substance users. Hearing (and having to log) thousands or terrible stories, being the first point of cantact and arranging group sessions, referrals, appointments with substance misuse counsellors, for some of the most desperate people in society..you would think I would be anti drugs.
I mean I have never done drugs personally.
Tried dope once and didn't like it, it made me anxious.
Lots of the problems around here were alcohol related, as it was so f'king cheap around 2000. It was utterrly destructive.
But the drug trafficker I knew well was a nice enough bloke, desperately addicted to alcohol, needed cash and was exploited into doing this stuff.

I mean he paid for his crimes with his life eventually ( he died not long after I saw him of, COPD, not pancreatitus).



Would any of this been better if drugs were legalised, and if corporations made these substances as safe and as non addictive (psychologically and physiologically) as possible?

I know I used to get terrified working on the database I created, that someone would get wind of it, kill me just to get a valuable list of active substance users in Bleanau gwent, and surrounding counties..when I worked on it, or to see if anyone had mentioned anything about them (these sometimes violent dealers and criminal gangs) in counselling.

I deserve a medal really, is what I'm saying.

[JM2K6]

The dangerous world of MySQL

[sefton]

I actually know someone who got caught smuggling drugs internationally. Poor bastard was an alcoholic from Bristol. Lived in Ebbw Vale. One funny witty bastard. Great drummer as it goes. Got involved with Yardies, through a brother of his ..and they convinced him to take drugs (not sure which one) either into or out of Jamaica. As he was a desperate alcoholic he did it for not much money..He got caught (either going in or coming out) and had to do 10 years hard labour in a Jamaican prison. Released 6 years later. Poor bastard had pancreatitus..and didn't have access to his medication (or the proper dose) the whole time he was there. He looked like he had been in Auschwitz when I bumped into him a year of so after his release.

Think 200 quid the yardies paid him.


I had lots of mates and collegues who were either drug users, former drug users, parents of drug users and even a drug trafficker for a while there.
All dead now.
Went there to do a Database. Stayed for the crazy f'king stories.

I can empathise with anybody wanting to turn to hard drugs if they are your mate.

[Line6 HXFX]

The dangerous world of MySQL

Microsoft access...desktop database systems.

And a brief-case full of nasty worrying shit that i would have been killed for...(that wasn't cocaine).

[JM2K6]

In all honesty I don't think dealers do much active marketing and a list of active users wouldn't be all that useful to them

[Line6 HXFX]

Great JM2K is talking to me. Piss off JM2K.

[Line6 HXFX]

I actually know someone who got caught smuggling drugs internationally. Poor bastard was an alcoholic from Bristol. Lived in Ebbw Vale. One funny witty bastard. Great drummer as it goes. Got involved with Yardies, through a brother of his ..and they convinced him to take drugs (not sure which one) either into or out of Jamaica. As he was a desperate alcoholic he did it for not much money..He got caught (either going in or coming out) and had to do 10 years hard labour in a Jamaican prison. Released 6 years later. Poor bastard had pancreatitus..and didn't have access to his medication (or the proper dose) the whole time he was there. He looked like he had been in Auschwitz when I bumped into him a year of so after his release.

Think 200 quid the yardies paid him.


I had lots of mates and collegues who were either drug users, former drug users, parents of drug users and even a drug trafficker for a while there.
All dead now.
Went there to do a Database. Stayed for the crazy f'king stories.

I can empathise with anybody wanting to turn to hard drugs if they are your mate.

Yeah..think he was there long long before he met me...

. I actually tried to get him offa it. Subatex was the thing I was evangelising about at the time and was helped him a wee bit. It was popular, effective etc .
What a nasty, hateful, fucked up comment btw.

I am much happier than you, you miserable, dour scouse tosser.

Would never say that shit to a person.

[Line6 HXFX]

I actually know someone who got caught smuggling drugs internationally. Poor bastard was an alcoholic from Bristol. Lived in Ebbw Vale. One funny witty bastard. Great drummer as it goes. Got involved with Yardies, through a brother of his ..and they convinced him to take drugs (not sure which one) either into or out of Jamaica. As he was a desperate alcoholic he did it for not much money..He got caught (either going in or coming out) and had to do 10 years hard labour in a Jamaican prison. Released 6 years later. Poor bastard had pancreatitus..and didn't have access to his medication (or the proper dose) the whole time he was there. He looked like he had been in Auschwitz when I bumped into him a year of so after his release.

Think 200 quid the yardies paid him.


I had lots of mates and collegues who were either drug users, former drug users, parents of drug users and even a drug trafficker for a while there.
All dead now.
Went there to do a Database. Stayed for the crazy f'king stories.

Being a drugs mule is pretty stupid anyway, but doing it to/from Jamaica is really fucking stupid, it's like shooting fish in a barrel for the Border Force guys. Desperate people.

Yup.

[Line6 HXFX]

Worked on the front line of substance misuse for years.

All I can say is drugs are illegal, mainly because the entertainment industry cannot compete.
Society wants you to spend 600 quid on a holiday...not feel just as much joy and relaxation on a 6 quid pill.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound disrespectful to those who are actually struggling, but that's just illogical horseshit.

Yeah..I'm fucking awesome.
You think if drugs were legalised they wouldn't be as safe a paracetemol?
You go out into a carpark and see all those awesome cars, those 35 grand a year salaries..from " the substance misuse industry" in a society with literally fuck all else industry... and you start to think, "hang on a moment"....

[Gumboot]

Worked on the front line of substance misuse for years.

All I can say is drugs are illegal, mainly because the entertainment industry cannot compete.
Society wants you to spend 600 quid on a holiday...not feel just as much joy and relaxation on a 6 quid pill.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound disrespectful to those who are actually struggling, but that's just illogical horseshit.

Yeah..I'm fucking awesome.
You think if drugs were legalised they wouldn't be as safe a paracetemol?
You go out into a carpark and see all those awesome cars, those 35 grand a year salaries..from " the substance misuse industry" in a society with literally fuck all else industry... and you start to think, "hang on a moment"....

Sorry, are you talking about your bit of Wales or the world in general? And who is this "you" you keep referring to?

[Tichtheid]

My boss in France spent a few months between school and uni in Morocco working on a farm. He thought he'd hitchhike back up through Morocco, Spain and France before going to study in Newcastle.
The first guy that picked him up was a Canadian in a VW camper. They got stopped at a road checkpoint about three miles down the road and of course there was a few kilos of hashish in the van.

He was lucky, the British Embassy didn't want to know but the Canadian one got him out after a couple weeks, after his story was checked out.

[JM2K6]

Great JM2K is talking to me. Piss off JM2K.

Yes, that's what tends to happen if you quote and reply to a post of mine. If you don't want to engage with me, replying to me and directly talking to me seems a suboptimal way of going about it.

[Line6 HXFX]

Sorry, I don't mean to sound disrespectful to those who are actually struggling, but that's just illogical horseshit.

Yeah..I'm fucking awesome.
You think if drugs were legalised they wouldn't be as safe a paracetemol?
You go out into a carpark and see all those awesome cars, those 35 grand a year salaries..from " the substance misuse industry" in a society with literally fuck all else industry... and you start to think, "hang on a moment"....

Sorry, are you talking about your bit of Wales or the world in general? And who is this "you" you keep referring to?

I mean we could all talk academic., "dehumanisation..of humanaity"..or the "you"..

I am talking 5 years of experience. Turning in up everyday, with a song in my heart and a smile on my face..

Doing shit.
What are you on about?

[Gumboot]

Thanks for clarifying that, Refry. Best of British with your many endeavours.