NPR

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:47 am

Ymx wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 6:53 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:31 pm So maybe wait until it's proven to be true before rushing to post? You seem ghoulishly invested in every potentially awful thing these rioters are getting up to.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fr ... r-AA1djCpC

Here you go precious! But feel free to not look any more, if what’s going on if it’s upsetting.

Guess what, these rioters are fucking awful !

I've seen far darker, grislier shit than what's currently going on, I've an unfortunately strong stomach. What's ghoulish is that both across this and the Nottingham thread you seem to be excitedly searching for bad things being perpetrated by minority groups so that you can justify prejudicial viewpoints.

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:47 am

Ymx wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 6:53 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 4:31 pm So maybe wait until it's proven to be true before rushing to post? You seem ghoulishly invested in every potentially awful thing these rioters are getting up to.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fr ... r-AA1djCpC

Here you go precious! But feel free to not look any more, if what’s going on if it’s upsetting.

Guess what, these rioters are fucking awful !

I've seen far darker, grislier shit than what's currently going on, I've an unfortunately strong stomach. What's ghoulish is that both across this and the Nottingham thread you seem to be excitedly searching for bad things being perpetrated by minority groups so that you can justify prejudicial viewpoints.

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:07 am Yawn. Go check yourown Nottingham thread. I'm perfectly fine observing things like black youths being overrepresented in knife crime in the UK. I'm just not desperate to elevate the crimes of non-white people.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:20 pm

lemonhead wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:20 am Wasn't till I first saw La Haine as a kid how some French police come across like a paramilitary group. Certainly more palace guards than public servants.

Done themselves no f*cking favours here; actually fanned the flames.

That's because the Gendarmerie is exactly that and basically comes under the armed forces jurisdiction whereas the Police (used to be the Surete of Clouseau fame) is civilian. The Gendarmes are hard core, racist f**ks whom everyone hates and make the Met look like a model of policing.

Brazil wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:53 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:20 pm

lemonhead wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:20 am Wasn't till I first saw La Haine as a kid how some French police come across like a paramilitary group. Certainly more palace guards than public servants.

Done themselves no f*cking favours here; actually fanned the flames.

That's because the Gendarmerie is exactly that and basically comes under the armed forces jurisdiction whereas the Police (used to be the Surete of Clouseau fame) is civilian. The Gendarmes are hard core, racist f**ks whom everyone hates and make the Met look like a model of policing.

Then you have their CRS substrates who are even worse.

My sister lives in Paris, and says the general reaction has been that it's the coppers overstepping the mark massively. Again. Apparently Mathieu Kassovitz has come out and said its still just as bad as when they made La Haine.

’It’s not riots - it’s war’, says police chief in French town where mayor’s home was attacked

A burning car was driven into the front of the suburban home of Vincent Jeanbrun, the mayor of L'Hay-les-Roses in the early hours of Sunday morning.


Adam Parsons
Europe correspondent @adamparsons
Monday 3 July 2023 17:18, UK

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'They aren't riots - it's war'
Why you can trust Sky News

The police chief in a French town reeling from an attack on its mayor's home has told Sky News his officers are involved in "a war" against rioters "who are there to kill us".

Eric Vergne has led the response to an attack that has shocked the French nation.

A burning car was driven into the front of the suburban home of Vincent Jeanbrun, the mayor of L'Hay-les-Roses in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Mr Jeanbrun was not at home at the time, but his wife was forced to flee the home along with their two young children.

She suffered a fractured leg as she escaped.

Mr Vergne attended an event to show solidarity with the town's mayor.

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'They're using Nahel as a pretext'
He said: "People talk about riots, but for those of us who have to deal with all this, it's not riots - it's war.

"The people who are standing in front of us are there to kill us.

"They have Molotov cocktails, they have cobbles, they come to within three metres in front of us.

"They have enormous paving stones that they throw at us to try to kill us. They don't want to play with us. They are there to kill us."

After the attack on the Jeanbrun family home, the prosecutor opened a formal investigation into attempted murder. Mrs Jeanbrun has undergone surgery and, according to her husband, is unlikely to walk for several months.

Within hours of the attack, the town was visited by both the Prime Minister, Elisabeth Borne, and the Interior Minister, Gerald Darmanin.

Mr Vergne said that his officers were intent on upholding the law and restoring order to the area. L'Hay-les-Roses is normally a quiet town. One resident, who has lived here for 45 years, told us that she had never known such a crime to occur.

Conor wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:57 am

lemonhead wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:20 am Wasn't till I first saw La Haine as a kid how some French police come across like a paramilitary group. Certainly more palace guards than public servants.

Done themselves no f*cking favours here; actually fanned the flames.

Can you image facing a riot as a policeman?

Hugo wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:51 pm Tbh there was a time that I would have massively brought into the narrative of the systemic racism angle of the police force.

But when these riots kick off (as in the Mark Duggan killing in 2011 and George Floyd in 2020) there seems to be a lot of band wagon jumping. It just seems that calling institutions in the west "systemically racist" is just about the laziest thing you can do.

Conor wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:33 pm Uncle fester, you can see in the video on twitter posted by Ymx - the shot is after car accelerates against him.

He probably never should have had the gun pointing at the guy, the act of doing so seems reckless. Unless he thought the driver was armed. I'd guess 99.9% of time a driver respects the fact a gun is trained on them, unfortunately in this case is was a wild 17 year.

Hugo wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:51 pm Tbh there was a time that I would have massively brought into the narrative of the systemic racism angle of the police force.

But when these riots kick off (as in the Mark Duggan killing in 2011 and George Floyd in 2020) there seems to be a lot of band wagon jumping. It just seems that calling institutions in the west "systemically racist" is just about the laziest thing you can do.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:56 am Fester it's split second stuff. I defy anyone in that split second to repeatedly make the right decision. It's highly unlikely the police lad is as painted elsewhere and by some on here. That being a state sponsored killer stalking the banlieues. From that video I bet he is sitting with his head in hands wondering how and why he pulled the trigger. The tension between both parties is massive in those communities. Imagine how many lads in Darndale would get shot if our cops carried guns as part of their regular patrols

Ymx wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:06 am Where have the fuckers got a rocket propelled grenade from?

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:04 pm In the split second he may have felt that. The threat. He says to his boss 'I thought he was trying to fucking run me down the mad little prick'. Boss says to comms 'Little bastard tried to run him down'. The rest is history. People's perceptions when under threat are varied and weirdly so. I was stabbed years ago and the stories given by all my mates wildly varied depending how close to the action they were and how acute their fear. The Gardai wanted to punch us in the face as they constructed a case. Nobody was lying it was just a failure in perception. One key element of the event was after I got stabbed I fell to the ground and the lad tried to stab me in the face repeatedly. I could feel the swish of the knife as I held him at bay with my locked arm. Afterwards it was one of my most acute memories of the whole thing. Loads of the lads had no recollection of this. For them I got stabbed and he was restrained

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 3:11 pm

Hugo wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:51 pm Tbh there was a time that I would have massively brought into the narrative of the systemic racism angle of the police force.

But when these riots kick off (as in the Mark Duggan killing in 2011 and George Floyd in 2020) there seems to be a lot of band wagon jumping. It just seems that calling institutions in the west "systemically racist" is just about the laziest thing you can do.

Of course there is. It's the perfect storm.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:24 pm

Hugo wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:55 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:04 pm In the split second he may have felt that. The threat. He says to his boss 'I thought he was trying to fucking run me down the mad little prick'. Boss says to comms 'Little bastard tried to run him down'. The rest is history. People's perceptions when under threat are varied and weirdly so. I was stabbed years ago and the stories given by all my mates wildly varied depending how close to the action they were and how acute their fear. The Gardai wanted to punch us in the face as they constructed a case. Nobody was lying it was just a failure in perception. One key element of the event was after I got stabbed I fell to the ground and the lad tried to stab me in the face repeatedly. I could feel the swish of the knife as I held him at bay with my locked arm. Afterwards it was one of my most acute memories of the whole thing. Loads of the lads had no recollection of this. For them I got stabbed and he was restrained

Christ, that must have been terrifying.
Great point overall about how people in a fight or flight mentality with tons of adrenaline in their system are not the most accurate of witnesses.

I was the only sober person there as had just finished work. Was just bad luck

I like neeps wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:16 pm

Ymx wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 10:06 am Where have the fuckers got a rocket propelled grenade from?

Predictably as most of what Golding says, this isn't true: https://www.lyonmag.com/article/130874/ ... u-quartier

As someone so lasted focused on the truth you need to check your sources.

We see an individual placing an explosive against the ATM of the Mermoz post office in the 8th arrondissement. The machine did significant damage, clearly visible this Saturday morning.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:35 pm In my case? Yeah a guy from a well known criminal family off his face. Just an unfortunate convergence

Hugo wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:44 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:35 pm In my case? Yeah a guy from a well known criminal family off his face. Just an unfortunate convergence

Jesus. I'm glad you came out of that situation alive. Out of curiosity did you have PTSD afterward? Trouble sleeping?

Not trying to be intrusive but I can only imagine how much it must have shaken your faith in humankind.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:35 pm In my case? Yeah a guy from a well known criminal family off his face. Just an unfortunate convergence

Ymx wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:29 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:35 pm In my case? Yeah a guy from a well known criminal family off his face. Just an unfortunate convergence

My personal case was less of a story.

Outside a Brixton club called the dogstar in the early noughties. 2/3am. I decided to call my lady friend, booty call. Some urban guy took the opportunity to grab the phone from me and run off. I was playing rugby back then and fairly nippy, so I chased after him. Caught up with him around the corner where I just held him by his jacket demanding my phone. He swung around and seemed like he was just swatting to get away from me. Little did I realise he had swung a sharpened screwdriver at my hands and then at the side of my head. I think I must have let him go at that point.

I then walked back around the corner with my hand to my head, with blood flowing. I remember some of the startled people as they saw me. But not my f’ing friends, they barely noticed I’d vanished. Ambulance later and sat in a bed for hours and finally they glued me up.

Moral of the story. There’s a lot of cvnts on this planet.

My near temple wound was on my right side, so he must have been a cunting lefty too.