JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
The fact that you have spell this out
I guess this is why Saffers need semophores to know whether to go for 3 or the line, and need to have constant instructions from the sidelines via waterboys!
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:54 pm
by Sandstorm
Rassie is a tool. His constant pushing-the-limit approach to the sideline laws is annoying to me and pisses off the neutrals at the same time.
As long as SA keeps winning it’s easy for many our fans to back Rassie. If we lose they’ll turn on him in a heartbeat.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
The fact that you have spell this out
I guess this is why Saffers need semophores to know whether to go for 3 or the line, and need to have constant instructions from the sidelines via waterboys!
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
The fact that you have spell this out
I guess this is why Saffers need semophores to know whether to go for 3 or the line, and need to have constant instructions from the sidelines via waterboys!
You havent see the Saffers mothers on the side when their 7 years old play rugby.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
The fact that you have spell this out
I guess this is why Saffers need semophores to know whether to go for 3 or the line, and need to have constant instructions from the sidelines via waterboys!
It’s only assfly to be fair
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:23 pm
by Blake
inactionman wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:17 pm
All good points. It reminds me of a basketball coach called Red Auerbach. He was eulogised in America for his utter determination to win and the success he earned, but it involved employing tactics like lowering the height of the ceiling in opposition changing rooms and turning off hot water (and worse) so they'd uncomfortable. My reservation is, I think he (and all those who admired his actions) missed the idea of 'sport' by that point. It's supposed to be an equal competition on the field, you can do all you can to prepare for that competition, but the environment is supposed to be equal.
I've no problems with the Brailsford mantra of marginal gains (recognising they lost the plot with the doping) if it means e.g. tailored bedding for each athlete, so that each athlete is in optimal condition, I've an issue where it means underhand grabbing of advantage simply as no-one has expressly prevented you from doing so.
In terms of Rassie's antics, I'd agree it'll only stop when legislated out, but the problem is that means we're forever chasing tail as people find new workarounds. That might just be our lot, as I'd rather not have the ref try to figure out whether to penalise for too many water carriers on the pitch.
To be clear though, the water carriers thing is already prohibited, although it's not the only means of tactical time-wasting and momentum-killing.
Auerbach's antics do seem a bit extreme and I hope it doesn't end up going that far. I think there has to be an element of "fairness" to it, in that the "loopholes" are there for any team to exploit...until they get shut down. First come, first served until WR closes the window.
Regarding the water carrier thing, if it's already prohibited and sanctions are clearly laid out, then surely the ire of the fans should be aimed at the referee or ARs for not enforcing them? If the officials have the guidelines and punishments at the ready, then it's an easy decision. Blow whistle, give penalty or free kick. Easy peasy. I can promise you they won't go on the field again until the AR or some official allows them.
For how complicated and comprehensive the laws of rugby are on the field, I think we are still lagging a little bit on codifying the allowed off the field. I know it's a massive ball ache to do, but the problem is just going to get worse and worse when characters like Rassie start pushing the envelope to see what he can get away with. And when he eventually retires, there will be some new version of him that does the same.
inactionman wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 2:17 pm
All good points. It reminds me of a basketball coach called Red Auerbach. He was eulogised in America for his utter determination to win and the success he earned, but it involved employing tactics like lowering the height of the ceiling in opposition changing rooms and turning off hot water (and worse) so they'd uncomfortable. My reservation is, I think he (and all those who admired his actions) missed the idea of 'sport' by that point. It's supposed to be an equal competition on the field, you can do all you can to prepare for that competition, but the environment is supposed to be equal.
I've no problems with the Brailsford mantra of marginal gains (recognising they lost the plot with the doping) if it means e.g. tailored bedding for each athlete, so that each athlete is in optimal condition, I've an issue where it means underhand grabbing of advantage simply as no-one has expressly prevented you from doing so.
In terms of Rassie's antics, I'd agree it'll only stop when legislated out, but the problem is that means we're forever chasing tail as people find new workarounds. That might just be our lot, as I'd rather not have the ref try to figure out whether to penalise for too many water carriers on the pitch.
To be clear though, the water carriers thing is already prohibited, although it's not the only means of tactical time-wasting and momentum-killing.
Auerbach's antics do seem a bit extreme and I hope it doesn't end up going that far. I think there has to be an element of "fairness" to it, in that the "loopholes" are there for any team to exploit...until they get shut down. First come, first served until WR closes the window.
Regarding the water carrier thing, if it's already prohibited and sanctions are clearly laid out, then surely the ire of the fans should be aimed at the referee or ARs for not enforcing them? If the officials have the guidelines and punishments at the ready, then it's an easy decision. Blow whistle, give penalty or free kick. Easy peasy. I can promise you they won't go on the field again until the AR or some official allows them.
For how complicated and comprehensive the laws of rugby are on the field, I think we are still lagging a little bit on codifying the allowed off the field. I know it's a massive ball ache to do, but the problem is just going to get worse and worse when characters like Rassie start pushing the envelope to see what he can get away with. And when he eventually retires, there will be some new version of him that does the same.
Gardner was yelling at the players to form the lineout at one stage.... 3 or 4 times. He should have just penalised at that point.
As for the behaviour off the field... Rugby professes to a certain sort of gentlemanly code of conduct and there's always been a lot of talk around that among us fans. 'Spirit of the game' and all--- why not formalise that in some way. Enshrine the values of the game and start enforcing that. Things like bringing barristers to citing hearings could fuck right off, f'rinstance... and people like Rassie, who are essentially corroding what passes for the values in our game, can be contained within a code of behaviour. As it is, he's just thumbing his nose at traditional values and saying fuck you. How about WR get a little bit of spine and, in the nicest possible way of course, tell him to get fucked in return.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:06 pm
by Blake
Can’t disagree with any of that.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:10 pm
by Openside
assfly wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:49 am
Great argument.
It was happening in every other game. There were guys running on with fucking refrigerators on wheels.
Those were organised water breaks not just random fuckwits wandering onto the field. You could hear the ref telling them to get off!!
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2023 5:15 pm
by Openside
average joe wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:56 am
Sitting on your couch with the aircon running and an ice pack on your sweety balls meanwhile these guys are exerting themselves in +30C heat. All fun and games until someone drops with dehydration.
Surely that wouldn’t happen to super tough Saffers
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 5:50 am
by average joe
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
You're paranoia is showing.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:08 am
by Chilli
Surely if what the Bok Management was doing is prohibited then World Rugby would sanction them?
I've had a quick look and see no mention of World Rugby complaining about it.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
You're paranoia is showing.
If anyone is paranoid, it's you lot. Having nightmares of a team of Rassie waterboys running around whispering team tactics in players ears.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:49 am
by Blackmac
assfly wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:49 am
Great argument.
It was happening in every other game. There were guys running on with fucking refrigerators on wheels.
Slick wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:56 am
Jesus. There is one water break midway through each half that has been agreed. They are not allowed on at any other time
tell that to every other team then.
They got a bollocking from the 4th official and didn’t do it again. They knew the rules and decided they could break them and get away with it
That was after twice being told to bugger off by Gardner.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
No, plenty other sports, like rugby expressly forbid it.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:22 am
by Ymx
Are we doing a pile on of the Saffers by proxy of Rassie?
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
Yep. The number of times a water carrier delivers a passed on message is quite a lot. Especially noticeable and commonly seen where it’s a squad player who is not in the match day 23 acting as water carrier.
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
Yep. The number of times a water carrier delivers a passed on message is quite a lot. Especially noticeable and commonly seen where it’s a squad player who is not in the match day 23 acting as water carrier.
Of course that was what used to happen. But then Rassie took the piss and World Rugby had to change the laws. Now they can only come on during one of two designated water breaks.
Reminds me of this jim Jeffries bit -
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:21 pm
by Grandpa
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:55 am
by assfly
Grandpa wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:21 pm
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
It wasn't a typical 4 year cycle though, was it? 2020 with no tests, yet we managed to scrape a Lions series win in 2021. In 2022 we started to play some expansive rugby and this year hasn't been too bad as a run up to the RWC, with some exciting young talent coming through.
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
What is RasNabers success rate against the All Blacks?
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
What is RasNabers success rate against the All Blacks?
No better than Foster's against SA? Which is a damming indictment! The worst All Black side of the last 30 years should not be your benchmark...
Grandpa wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:21 pm
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
It wasn't a typical 4 year cycle though, was it? 2020 with no tests, yet we managed to scrape a Lions series win in 2021. In 2022 we started to play some expansive rugby and this year hasn't been too bad as a run up to the RWC, with some exciting young talent coming through.
If we had lost.....well it's a moot point.
Bloody hell.. that's the same excuse Foster tries to palm off on us... don't accept it! Demand more!
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 9:58 am
by average joe
Why blame Foster? I thought his assistants was in charge.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
What is RasNabers success rate against the All Blacks?
No better than Foster's against SA? Which is a damming indictment! The worst All Black side of the last 30 years should not be your benchmark...
How can you say that.? Since 2010 to Rassie we won 2 and lost 15 with Meyer and AC. With Rassie we beat the All Blacks in NZ, for the first time since 2008. They just knock you a record score.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:54 am
by OomStruisbaai
Comparing Rassie with the other coaches.
1. Boks have the biggest depth.
2. Boks have the best defense.
3. Not long ago we were the most boring international team.
4 Rassie is innovative
5 He bring it some fresh youngsters (ask Sards)
Even if we dont make the quarters, I dont care. Boks are well coach at the moment.
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:26 pm
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:54 am
Comparing Rassie with the other coaches.
1. Boks have the biggest depth.
2. Boks have the best defense.
3. Not long ago we were the most boring international team.
4 Rassie is innovative
5 He bring it some fresh youngsters (ask Sards)
Even if we dont make the quarters, I dont care. Boks are well coach at the moment.
Don't get too excited. Up until the Australian RC match we were still kak boring. Since Manie came aboard Rassie was forced to change game plans and we became exciting. That team against the ABs was Ace. Much better than the dross of the team that played them in the RC. That was s clustervok. The Scotland match was meh. Same personell as in the RC All Blacks match. That team is Rassie mentality. The team that played against the ABs and smashed them is pure magic.
Rassie is a doos. I don't like cnuts that think they must constantly challenge authority
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
I think, given where we were in 2018 we're way more confident that we are on the right track now, regardless of the results in the four years since 2019.
We've suffered a lot of close losses to top ranked teams in matches that could've gone either way, and no major humiliations (which isn't something we can say abouf the 4-5 years before 2018).
I think we've only been comprehensively outplayed 3 or so times in 4 years:
2021: The 30-17 loss against the Wallabies away. Rennie just unlocked or defence that day and we had no answers.
2022: The rematch against NZ at Ellispark that we lost 23-35 after going in all cocky after the demolition job we managed to do in Nelspruit the weekend before.
2023: The 20-35 loss against the All Blanks at Mount Smart where we were blitzed in the first quarter. I'd even say we had decent parity in second half. We just came out of the blocks cold and coming back from that deficit was always going to be tough.
Most of the other losses in this period haven't been bad. 3 point loss against Ireland in Ireland, 4 point loss against France in France (and we got a red card that match), 1 point loss against England in England at the end of a tour.
And unlike NZ, I think the other thing is that we don't really have a massively popular and successful coach to step into the role waiting in the wings. I think when Nienaber heads to Leinster after the world cup, the Boks are going to struggle to fill the void. Rassie will (hopefully) step in as caretaker coach, but whoever takes over on a full-time basis is going to struggle I think. Mzwandile Stick had a terrible run as coach of the South Africa A side, losing to Munster and Bath. And I'm not sure if John Dobson would want the job or if his coaching style would gel with Rassie's vision.
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
I think, given where we were in 2018 we're way more confident that we are on the right track now, regardless of the results in the four years since 2019.
We've suffered a lot of close losses to top ranked teams in matches that could've gone either way, and no major humiliations (which isn't something we can say abouf the 4-5 years before 2018).
I think we've only been comprehensively outplayed 3 or so times in 4 years:
2021: The 30-17 loss against the Wallabies away. Rennie just unlocked or defence that day and we had no answers.
2022: The rematch against NZ at Ellispark that we lost 23-35 after going in all cocky after the demolition job we managed to do in Nelspruit the weekend before.
2023: The 20-35 loss against the All Blanks at Mount Smart where we were blitzed in the first quarter. I'd even say we had decent parity in second half. We just came out of the blocks cold and coming back from that deficit was always going to be tough.
Most of the other losses in this period haven't been bad. 3 point loss against Ireland in Ireland, 4 point loss against France in France (and we got a red card that match), 1 point loss against England in England at the end of a tour.
And unlike NZ, I think the other thing is that we don't really have a massively popular and successful coach to step into the role waiting in the wings. I think when Nienaber heads to Leinster after the world cup, the Boks are going to struggle to fill the void. Rassie will (hopefully) step in as caretaker coach, but whoever takes over on a full-time basis is going to struggle I think. Mzwandile Stick had a terrible run as coach of the South Africa A side, losing to Munster and Bath. And I'm not sure if John Dobson would want the job or if his coaching style would gel with Rassie's vision.
Oh vok no. Rassie's vision is boring. Showed in the team selection against the scots. Lots of decent coaches around who prefer running rugby but aren't Rassie's mate
OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 10:23 am
the current Bok team is well coached.
Thank fuck we have Rassie and Nienaber.
Seriously? I guess it's relative, but the Springboks have a poorer record than NZ since the last world cup... and we wanted Foster replaced... are you sure you aren't giving him leeway because he won the last world cup? If you had gone out against Wales last WC.. would you still be happy with the last 4 years?
I think, given where we were in 2018 we're way more confident that we are on the right track now, regardless of the results in the four years since 2019.
We've suffered a lot of close losses to top ranked teams in matches that could've gone either way, and no major humiliations (which isn't something we can say abouf the 4-5 years before 2018).
I think we've only been comprehensively outplayed 3 or so times in 4 years:
2021: The 30-17 loss against the Wallabies away. Rennie just unlocked or defence that day and we had no answers.
2022: The rematch against NZ at Ellispark that we lost 23-35 after going in all cocky after the demolition job we managed to do in Nelspruit the weekend before.
2023: The 20-35 loss against the All Blanks at Mount Smart where we were blitzed in the first quarter. I'd even say we had decent parity in second half. We just came out of the blocks cold and coming back from that deficit was always going to be tough.
Most of the other losses in this period haven't been bad. 3 point loss against Ireland in Ireland, 4 point loss against France in France (and we got a red card that match), 1 point loss against England in England at the end of a tour.
And unlike NZ, I think the other thing is that we don't really have a massively popular and successful coach to step into the role waiting in the wings. I think when Nienaber heads to Leinster after the world cup, the Boks are going to struggle to fill the void. Rassie will (hopefully) step in as caretaker coach, but whoever takes over on a full-time basis is going to struggle I think. Mzwandile Stick had a terrible run as coach of the South Africa A side, losing to Munster and Bath. And I'm not sure if John Dobson would want the job or if his coaching style would gel with Rassie's vision.
I think the players coming through now are the most exciting talent I can remember for the Springboks... going back to the 90s at least... I hope it's used... Moodie and Am are two great talents in midfield... you have exciting wingers and a mercurial number 10..
I hope they take the strait-jacket off and set them free... I think the Boks can be even better than they were at Twickenham.. instead of living off opposition mistakes, there is so much potential to create and ruthlessly destroy... your team could be like the All Blacks of 2010 to 2015... win the world cup and go the next 5 years almost unbeatable... but you have to trust your talent... take those shackles off...
Re: Rassie (again)
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:28 pm
by Sards
Grandpa wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 3:07 pm
I think the players coming through now are the most exciting talent I can remember for the Springboks... going back to the 90s at least... I hope it's used... Moodie and Am are two great talents in midfield... you have exciting wingers and a mercurial number 10..
I hope they take the strait-jacket off and set them free... I think the Boks can be even better than they were at Twickenham.. instead of living off opposition mistakes, there is so much potential to create and ruthlessly destroy... your team could be like the All Blacks of 2010 to 2015... win the world cup and go the next 5 years almost unbeatable... but you have to trust your talent... take those shackles off...
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
I'm with you. Yet another thing that only exists because 'tradition'. The link posted above allows certain staff to come on, including injured players if designated water carriers, but strictly not DoRs or Head Coaches. Why? As if those other staff aren't delivering messages.
I totally get it where a coach is being a prick, constantly shouting at the refs. Yellow card him out of the technical area then. But if it's simply coaching players by shouting or during designated water/injury, who gives a shit?
JM2K6 wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 1:32 pm
The tactic is about coaching the players on the field, not hydration.
What's wrong with this? Every other team sport allows coaches pitch side, why should rugby be any different?
So, you're not allowed to coach your team whilst playing, you're not allowed to do your job? And Rassie is the only international coach that tries to communicate with his players in game? He's not allowed to do it so has to find elaborate sneaky ways around this unspoken rule. You're deluded if you think coaches from other countries don't have some means to pass down messages to the players in game.
I'm with you. Yet another thing that only exists because 'tradition'. The link posted above allows certain staff to come on, including injured players if designated water carriers, but strictly not DoRs or Head Coaches. Why? As if those other staff aren't delivering messages.
I totally get it where a coach is being a prick, constantly shouting at the refs. Yellow card him out of the technical area then. But if it's simply coaching players by shouting or during designated water/injury, who gives a shit?
Is ja. Rassie has always been an out of the box thinler.
I think the players coming through now are the most exciting talent I can remember for the Springboks... going back to the 90s at least... I hope it's used... Moodie and Am are two great talents in midfield... you have exciting wingers and a mercurial number 10..
I hope they take the strait-jacket off and set them free... I think the Boks can be even better than they were at Twickenham.. instead of living off opposition mistakes, there is so much potential to create and ruthlessly destroy... your team could be like the All Blacks of 2010 to 2015... win the world cup and go the next 5 years almost unbeatable... but you have to trust your talent... take those shackles off...
You're asking the Springboks to sacrifice their culture and play like the AB's from 2010/15. Thats what the previous coach before Rassie did and look what that gave us. When Rassie took over from Coetzee the team had no character except to be more like the AB's. Some of those players are still in the team but they're completely different people now. They are confident in their abilities, and they have direction and drive.
One of the things that makes rugby interesting is it can be played in different ways. There is no one set way to play the game. Teams can build a culture around their strengths and weaknesses.
I think the players coming through now are the most exciting talent I can remember for the Springboks... going back to the 90s at least... I hope it's used... Moodie and Am are two great talents in midfield... you have exciting wingers and a mercurial number 10..
I hope they take the strait-jacket off and set them free... I think the Boks can be even better than they were at Twickenham.. instead of living off opposition mistakes, there is so much potential to create and ruthlessly destroy... your team could be like the All Blacks of 2010 to 2015... win the world cup and go the next 5 years almost unbeatable... but you have to trust your talent... take those shackles off...
You're asking the Springboks to sacrifice their culture and play like the AB's from 2010/15. Thats what the previous coach before Rassie did and look what that gave us. When Rassie took over from Coetzee the team had no character except to be more like the AB's. Some of those players are still in the team but they're completely different people now. They are confident in their abilities, and they have direction and drive.
One of the things that makes rugby interesting is it can be played in different ways. There is no one set way to play the game. Teams can build a culture around their strengths and weaknesses.
Completely agree, it would be awful if it was just some homogenous game plan across the teams. SA have a culture and a style that adds to rugby. It makes them successful, but it can also be their weakness occasionally, which is what makes it all tick
tell that to every other team then.