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White Afrikaners were dirt poor at the turn of the 20th century with all odds stacked against them. But they started to build themselves up by establishing some great organizations and WORKING HARD to rise from their shit circumstances. Here, read and educate yourselves:
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-09-22-00- ... rosperity/

Written by a black brother nogal.

Welcome back.

Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:19 pm White Afrikaners were dirt poor at the turn of the 20th century with all odds stacked against them. But they started to build themselves up by establishing some great organizations and WORKING HARD to rise from their shit circumstances. Here, read and educate yourselves:
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-09-22-00- ... rosperity/

Written by a black brother nogal.

Ah, here comes our resident racist loon

DraadkarD wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 pm

average joe wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:50 pm

DraadkarD wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:29 pm

That is corrupt individuals making political statements. So what you are saying it is justice for someone to live in a one room shack, living on R10 a day, because Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said Covid-19 is apartheid fault?

Ah the auld rinkydink "so what you are saying"

No, what I'm saying is if the money that was meant to build the guy a house was stolen by a politician and the deed to the land that the house was suppose to be built on got sold for R500 to an illegal immigrant. How is that then the colour of my skins fault? How is that then something that happened nearly 3 decades ago's fault? Why do I have to apologise for it? Why should I feel bad about it especially if the guy voted for said politician and continues to vote for them.

No one said it's the colour of your skins fault (or yours), but you come from a legacy that has hugely benefited from one the wealthiest economies at one time. You can not ignore that.

Really? Well it seems to be all we hear when we switch on the news. It's the rich white mans fault, apartheid's fault, van Riebeeck's fault, white monopoly's fault, de Klerk's fault, privilege's fault. You don't know where I come from so don't tell me about my legacy,

My parents struggled to put food on the table. My dad was a failed farmer, he went to bed hungry so his kids and his wife could eat the little that was available. My mom had to work at a shop as a cashier to bring in some money. I went to one after the other "platelandse" school cause my dad could not afford to pay the school fees and probably because I was a naughty little fokor. I had to drop out at std7 cause dad passed away and there was no money for me to go any further. I started working at an engineering shop as an errand boy, sweeping floors and cleaning the machines for R1200 a month. I saved what I didn't give to my mom to help raise my younger sister and enrolled into security training cause it was the cheapest. Got up to grade C and couldn't go any higher cause I had no matric. Got a job as a guard, again saved what I could and after a year had enough to finish school.

No boet, everything I have or had in life I had to graft really hard for, only for it to be burned to the ground by brainwashed thugs that bought into the politicians "white man stole your land" rhetoric or the "one bullet one farmer" rhetoric. I have empathy for poor black people because I worked alongside them and earned the same pay they did. I have great respect for black people that achieved something through hard work, perseverance and sheer determination. But I don't respect anyone who loot and steel because they feel entitled. And I certainly don't appreciate it when a corrupt politician tells poor black people that it's my fault that they suffer whilst steeling my hard earned taxes that was meant to uplift those very same poor black peoples lives.

You need a new handle, Joe. You are anything but average!

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:33 am
My parents struggled to put food on the table. My dad was a failed farmer, he went to bed hungry so his kids and his wife could eat the little that was available. My mom had to work at a shop as a cashier to bring in some money. I went to one after the other "platelandse" school cause my dad could not afford to pay the school fees and probably because I was a naughty little fokor. I had to drop out at std7 cause dad passed away and there was no money for me to go any further. I started working at an engineering shop as an errand boy, sweeping floors and cleaning the machines for R1200 a month. I saved what I didn't give to my mom to help raise my younger sister and enrolled into security training cause it was the cheapest. Got up to grade C and couldn't go any higher cause I had no matric. Got a job as a guard, again saved what I could and after a year had enough to finish school.

Luxury.

Sards wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:18 pmyes......and?

You contradict yourself Sards

"Lift yourself up. On your own.
Stop blaming others for what you are not capable of. We are capable of anything. If we want it bad enough. A little luck also helps."

My advice to you is to stop focusing on all the negative stuff that does not really affect you. And I agree that It's in your own hands to make it in life, but some people have start from way at the back of the line. Just feel as human beings its our duty to help our fellow man.

DraadkarD wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:58 am

Sards wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:18 pmyes......and?

You contradict yourself Sards

"Lift yourself up. On your own.
Stop blaming others for what you are not capable of. We are capable of anything. If we want it bad enough. A little luck also helps."

My advice to you is to stop focusing on all the negative stuff that does not really affect you. And I agree that It's in your own hands to make it in life, but some people have start from way at the back of the line. Just feel as human beings its our duty to help our fellow man.

I think Sards should cosplay as a Crusader and go on a pillaging rampage

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:37 am You need a new handle, Joe. You are anything but average!

I don't tell my story so people should praise me or feel sorry for me. I tell it cause there's thousands like me and they are white. Not every white person in this country got where they are because of apartheid but they'll have to carry that burden for who knows how long. We need to come to a point were our politicians stop looking for someone or something to blame. We need to focus on what's happening now not what happened 30 years ago. We need strong leaders to stand up and say enough is enough and we need to hold crooks to account for the damage they cause.

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:33 am

DraadkarD wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 pm

average joe wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 1:50 pm

Ah the auld rinkydink "so what you are saying"

No, what I'm saying is if the money that was meant to build the guy a house was stolen by a politician and the deed to the land that the house was suppose to be built on got sold for R500 to an illegal immigrant. How is that then the colour of my skins fault? How is that then something that happened nearly 3 decades ago's fault? Why do I have to apologise for it? Why should I feel bad about it especially if the guy voted for said politician and continues to vote for them.

No one said it's the colour of your skins fault (or yours), but you come from a legacy that has hugely benefited from one the wealthiest economies at one time. You can not ignore that.

Really? Well it seems to be all we hear when we switch on the news. It's the rich white mans fault, apartheid's fault, van Riebeeck's fault, white monopoly's fault, de Klerk's fault, privilege's fault. You don't know where I come from so don't tell me about my legacy,

My parents struggled to put food on the table. My dad was a failed farmer, he went to bed hungry so his kids and his wife could eat the little that was available. My mom had to work at a shop as a cashier to bring in some money. I went to one after the other "platelandse" school cause my dad could not afford to pay the school fees and probably because I was a naughty little fokor. I had to drop out at std7 cause dad passed away and there was no money for me to go any further. I started working at an engineering shop as an errand boy, sweeping floors and cleaning the machines for R1200 a month. I saved what I didn't give to my mom to help raise my younger sister and enrolled into security training cause it was the cheapest. Got up to grade C and couldn't go any higher cause I had no matric. Got a job as a guard, again saved what I could and after a year had enough to finish school.

No boet, everything I have or had in life I had to graft really hard for, only for it to be burned to the ground by brainwashed thugs that bought into the politicians "white man stole your land" rhetoric or the "one bullet one farmer" rhetoric. I have empathy for poor black people because I worked alongside them and earned the same pay they did. I have great respect for black people that achieved something through hard work, perseverance and sheer determination. But I don't respect anyone who loot and steel because they feel entitled. And I certainly don't appreciate it when a corrupt politician tells poor black people that it's my fault that they suffer whilst steeling my hard earned taxes that was meant to uplift those very same poor black peoples lives.

Average Joe, I feel for you and admire what you had to go through in life. That was definitely not my experience. I'm not attacking you. But, remember during that same time 90% of our fellow country men where not allowed to own property, start a business, get a decent education and even move freely in their own country (until 1994).

I have one question for you: What other options in live does an uneducated farm worker, with no assets, have in life?

my parents divorced when I was very young. It was a struggle. We were very poor with my mother the only provider. In high school I started surfing. Could only dream about a surfboard because we couldn't afford one. A friend had a blank someone had started. I saved up for fiberglass and resin and finished the board myself. It was orange and white and I put the resin on thick so it was heavy. But solid. I didn't have the machinery to polish it down so it was rough to thr skin. But I had a board and was never embarrassed about it. No wetsuit mind....so
Incredibly cold. It didn't bother me then. I never went on school camps Because we had no money and I couldn't compete against the other lads because my clothes were hand me downs from family. Many nights we had peanut butter on toast for dinner. My first job was salesman in a furniture store that my unvle oùrganized for me. Started my business at 23. Rented an amazing multilevel home in Kloof without knowing how I would pay the rent. Had a huge garage. Bought a welder and some materials and started making things. Started making some money so rented a factory with my father who had lost his business and started employing people. Was a tiny 100 square meters factory .
A bloke Bought my father and I out on the condition I opened a factory for him in Cape Town. Ran that for a few years before going overseas. Set up a factory in Borg El ARab in the Alexandrian desert. 2 and a half years and I was done although I learnt a lot. Left with a little money and no prospects and came back home. Found a job with a bloke wanting to increase his factory asked me to join him. Had fun with that for awhile. Learned more. Then I was approached to set up a factory for a bloke making boating accessories. Was poached by a bloke who also wanted to expand his business. Ran that for awhile and then got bored and went on my own. Expanded...contracted...am at a level I enjoying at my age. Was chatting with a mate and he wishes he could contract to a manageable size where he enjoys it again.

We have a lot of posters telling us about how we are privileged and how we should stand behind BLM. True, no one can deny that. Now, for these posters it seems like it's quite an emotional thing that they are quite passionate about. Tell us about all the projects, initiatives and money-raising events that you have initiated to help. Tell us about your business' better than required Employment Equity totals. Tell us how much of your money and time you are spending to make up for the decades of apartheid. Or do you think that telling of posters on a rugby forum is enough to sleep well at night.

DraadkarD wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:15 am
Average Joe, I feel for you and admire what you had to go through in life. That was definitely not my experience. I'm not attacking you. But, remember during that same time 90% of our fellow country men where not allowed to own property, start a business, get a decent education and even move freely in their own country (until 1994).

I have one question for you: What other options in live does an uneducated farm worker, with no assets, have in life?

Not much boet but that's why we have social programs to help people like him. But that doesn't help if the people in charge of those programs siphon the funds into their own offshore investments.

handyman wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:37 am We have a lot of posters telling us about how we are privileged and how we should stand behind BLM. True, no one can deny that. Now, for these posters it seems like it's quite an emotional thing that they are quite passionate about. Tell us about all the projects, initiatives and money-raising events that you have initiated to help. Tell us about your business' better than required Employment Equity totals. Tell us how much of your money and time you are spending to make up for the decades of apartheid. Or do you think that telling of posters on a rugby forum is enough to sleep well at night.

I'm ashamed to say I never employed anyone on my farm for farm work besides one guy that helped me with the upkeep of the garden once a month and a lady to help the wife with the house work once a week. Emphasis on help because we worked with them and when the day was done I'll pay them their R300 each and share a cold beer with old Jonas before he got on his bicycle, the wife would drop the lady at her house cause she stayed a bit further away. Jonas always refused a lift, he preferred going were needed to be on his dikwiel. I know animals and meat and never thought of planting as it's to risky and that's how my dad failed. Relying to much on good weather. I did however have 3 hectares under irrigation in the corner of my land were I planted a mixture of vegetables that was for a nearby settlement. Sort of a community garden that they wold tend to and take what they needed. When I was ready to sell animals I would slaughter one tollie and four sheep and drop it off at the settlement. That's all gone now though.

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:59 am

Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:19 pm White Afrikaners were dirt poor at the turn of the 20th century with all odds stacked against them. But they started to build themselves up by establishing some great organizations and WORKING HARD to rise from their shit circumstances. Here, read and educate yourselves:
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-09-22-00- ... rosperity/

Written by a black brother nogal.

Ah, here comes our resident racist loon

It always amazes me how this labeling of being a racist is so freely thrown around in SA and without any consequences it seems. I think SA are unique in this regard. But I guess this is the last line of defense when the truth can no longer be suppressed, play the race card.

Amethyst wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:43 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:59 am

Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:19 pm White Afrikaners were dirt poor at the turn of the 20th century with all odds stacked against them. But they started to build themselves up by establishing some great organizations and WORKING HARD to rise from their shit circumstances. Here, read and educate yourselves:
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-09-22-00- ... rosperity/

Written by a black brother nogal.

Ah, here comes our resident racist loon

It always amazes me how this labeling of being a racist is so freely thrown around in SA and without any consequences it seems. I think SA are unique in this regard. But I guess this is the last line of defense when the truth can no longer be suppressed, play the race card.

Shut your mouth racist

Amethyst wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:43 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:59 am

Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:19 pm White Afrikaners were dirt poor at the turn of the 20th century with all odds stacked against them. But they started to build themselves up by establishing some great organizations and WORKING HARD to rise from their shit circumstances. Here, read and educate yourselves:
https://mg.co.za/article/2016-09-22-00- ... rosperity/

Written by a black brother nogal.

Ah, here comes our resident racist loon

It always amazes me how this labeling of being a racist is so freely thrown around in SA and without any consequences it seems. I think SA are unique in this regard. But I guess this is the last line of defense when the truth can no longer be suppressed, play the race card.

Dont worry about Nipper. Stay away from the kak, you play right into his hands.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:46 am

Amethyst wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:43 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:59 am

Ah, here comes our resident racist loon

It always amazes me how this labeling of being a racist is so freely thrown around in SA and without any consequences it seems. I think SA are unique in this regard. But I guess this is the last line of defense when the truth can no longer be suppressed, play the race card.

Dont worry about Nipper. Stay away from the kak, you play right into his hands.

Don't worry, Big Pussy is now on ignore. Total retard troll don't need any attention.

Amethyst wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:51 amDon't worry, Big Pussy is now on ignore. Total retard troll don't need any attention.

Dont let them get to you. We need posters from all shapes and sizes on the board. The more the merrier and if you are BL or who ever, doesnt matter, as long as you arent Zuma.

Nipper works at a place where they have ladies cleaning and making him coffee for R2500 a month.

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:07 am Nipper works at a place where they have ladies cleaning and making him coffee for R2500 a month.

You have any evidence to substantiate your claim? Kinda regretting the offer to help get you back on your feet now

What is everyone's take on CR's speech last night?

I remember everyone singing his praises at the beginning of this crisis, what's the feeling about him now?

who is our " biggest poster "
For the men it has to be Nips

Sandyvagina for the chick's

Sards wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am who is our " biggest poster "
For the men it has to be Nips

Sandyvagina for the chick's

What do you mean by "biggest poster"?

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:17 am

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:07 am Nipper works at a place where they have ladies cleaning and making him coffee for R2500 a month.

You have any evidence to substantiate your claim? Kinda regretting the offer to help get you back on your feet now

Thought since everyone ells is trowing out unsubstantiated nonsense I might as well join in. Kinda glad I didn't take you up on that offer now.

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:52 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:17 am

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:07 am Nipper works at a place where they have ladies cleaning and making him coffee for R2500 a month.

You have any evidence to substantiate your claim? Kinda regretting the offer to help get you back on your feet now

Though since everyone ells is trowing out unsubstantiated nonsense I might as well join in.

I am talking about the social uprising that is BLM, and how I perceive white privilege in SA, and you can't help yourself to attack me personally about our business

That is just sad man

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:48 am

Sards wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am who is our " biggest poster "
For the men it has to be Nips

Sandyvagina for the chick's

What do you mean by "biggest poster"?

He's calling us fat.

Ag jong, I'm just shooting the piss with you. I bet you're not half as bad as you make out to be on here. I'll probably get along with you just fine.

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:48 am

Sards wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:38 am who is our " biggest poster "
For the men it has to be Nips

Sandyvagina for the chick's

What do you mean by "biggest poster"?

He's calling us fat.

Haha! pretty rich coming from that eggman

You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

Afrikaners didn’t pick themselves up without the help of the groups like the broederbond. After 1948 the English speaking workers at municipalities steadily got replaced by Afrikaans speakers, the same way they have been replaced by black workers now. My father-in-law worked at a fairly high level at the railways. And he was told to join the Broederbond or he wouldn’t get promoted. He had an ‘Afrikaans’ surname. Having a higher moral standard than me, he refused and in tge next 10 years working there he was bypassed over and over.

And now it is happening with the black affirmative action. All to be expected.

assfly wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:18 am What is everyone's take on CR's speech last night?

I remember everyone singing his praises at the beginning of this crisis, what's the feeling about him now?

We all hoped he'll lift the ban on alcohol. In stead he banned the schools. Etterkop.

Bokkom wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:04 am You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

Praat reguit afrikaans. Het geen vokken idee wat jy probeer se nie.

Fangle wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:05 pm Afrikaners didn’t pick themselves up without the help of the groups like the broederbond. After 1948 the English speaking workers at municipalities steadily got replaced by Afrikaans speakers, the same way they have been replaced by black workers now. My father-in-law worked at a fairly high level at the railways. And he was told to join the Broederbond or he wouldn’t get promoted. He had an ‘Afrikaans’ surname. Having a higher moral standard than me, he refused and in tge next 10 years working there he was bypassed over and over.

And now it is happening with the black affirmative action. All to be expected.

So a group started by Afrikaners to pick Afrikaners up from their bootstraps, is not Afrikaners picking themselves up from their bootstraps?

The scorched earth policy of the British during the second Boer War devastated Boer lands. In British concentration camps, 27 000 Boer women and children had died. The Boer surrender at Vereeniging, though pragmatic, was deeply humiliating. Lord Milner's inflammatory policy of Anglicisation simply rubbed salt into Afrikaner wounds, and a backlash was inevitable. The National Party and ultimately the Broederbond were the long-term and powerful results.

And now it's all just history but a fine example of how hate breads hate and now we are breading the future hate with just more hate.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:36 pm

Bokkom wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:04 am You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

Praat reguit afrikaans. Het geen vokken idee wat jy probeer se nie.

Relax Oompie, ek het nie oor jou geskinner nie; dis net 'n quote van die movie"A few good men".
Sommer net daaraan gedink toe ek lees oor verskillende mense se ervarings in SA, reg/verkeerd, waarheid (truth), ens.

I was wondering, since everyone is wearing masks, if I farted in the office would anyone smell it?

average joe wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:21 pm I was wondering, since everyone is wearing masks, if I farted in the office would anyone smell it?

Ja no well. My wife works from home now so it doesn't matter.

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:59 am

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 am

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:48 am

What do you mean by "biggest poster"?

He's calling us fat.

Haha! pretty rich coming from that eggman

As you get older you eat less...I am looking good in the middle thanks....

So are you our biggest poster then.

Sards wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:28 pm

Big Nipper wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:59 am

Sandstorm wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 am

He's calling us fat.

Haha! pretty rich coming from that eggman

As you get older you eat less...I am looking good in the middle thanks....

So are you our biggest poster then.

I do 5 km's in 24:30, chances are good it's not me