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Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 3:22 pm
by Biffer
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 8:28 am
The 2 child benefit cap is interesting. Okay along with various other things Reform are promising they can't afford it but are channelling their inner Corbyn/Truss decision making on that front, but putting that to one side there's no real support to scrap the cap among the electorate, and there's especially not much support among Labour voters who typically like the cap and in broad terms associate those with 5 kids wanting benefits for them all as scroungers, so it doesn't really seem to gain votes for Reform. Is it then just about stirring up Labour MPs? One of the few groups in the UK who really don't like the cap
It's about wanting to get the seats Boris won in the north, so stir up antagoism towards Labour and Tory for being all the same and present Reform as a real alternative. An alternative full of racists and fascists.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:34 pm
by tabascoboy
MP falsely accused of calling Farage a 'c**t' in AI-edited video shared by Reform
https://inews.co.uk/news/mp-falsely-acc ... rm-3721861
Article is paywalled but the gist of it is
Police are looking into threats made to an MP after an AI-edited video appearing to show him calling Nigel Farage a “c**t” was published by a Reform UK social media account.
The clip was posted by a local Reform Party account on X and viewed almost 100,000 times before being deleted.
Liberal Democrat MP Max Wilkinson said he and his office were inundated with abusive messages, threats of violent attacks and claims he would be tracked down near Parliament.
Media regulator Ofcom has said it is “concerned” by the incident.

Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:39 pm
by SaintK
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 7:26 pm
by sockwithaticket
Reform's newest MP used a question in PMQs to ask Starmer if, as we seek closer alignment with Europe, he's going to introduce a burka ban. Reform HQ have stated it's not official policy.

Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:26 pm
by ScarfaceClaw
tabascoboy wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 4:34 pm
MP falsely accused of calling Farage a 'c**t' in AI-edited video shared by Reform
https://inews.co.uk/news/mp-falsely-acc ... rm-3721861
Article is paywalled but the gist of it is
Police are looking into threats made to an MP after an AI-edited video appearing to show him calling Nigel Farage a “c**t” was published by a Reform UK social media account.
The clip was posted by a local Reform Party account on X and viewed almost 100,000 times before being deleted.
Liberal Democrat MP Max Wilkinson said he and his office were inundated with abusive messages, threats of violent attacks and claims he would be tracked down near Parliament.
Media regulator Ofcom has said it is “concerned” by the incident.
It’s probably the most accurate thing they’ve posted in a long time.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:46 pm
by Hal Jordan
Welcome to how the next General Election will be conducted. It will be an absolute shitshow of AI fakes boosted to the stratosphere by bots.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:45 pm
by SaintK
That didn't last long and just in time for the evening news
He appeared to the only real "pro" in their set up. Don't thing anyone can work with Frogface
Zia Yusuf has resigned as the chairman of Reform UK, saying "I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time".
In a post on social media, external, Yusuf did not expand further on his reasons for stepping down.
However, it comes after he said it was "dumb" for the party's newest MP to call on Sir Keir Starmer to ban the burka.
In a post on X, Yusuf wrote: "11 months ago I became chairman of Reform. I've worked full time as a volunteer to take the party from 14 to 30% [in national polls], quadrupled its membership and delivered historic electoral results.
"I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time, and hereby resign the office."
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:56 pm
by tabascoboy
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:45 pm
That didn't last long and just in time for the evening news
He appeared to the only real "pro" in their set up. Don't thing anyone can work with Frogface
Zia Yusuf has resigned as the chairman of Reform UK, saying "I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time".
In a post on social media, external, Yusuf did not expand further on his reasons for stepping down.
However, it comes after he said it was "dumb" for the party's newest MP to call on Sir Keir Starmer to ban the burka.
In a post on X, Yusuf wrote: "11 months ago I became chairman of Reform. I've worked full time as a volunteer to take the party from 14 to 30% [in national polls], quadrupled its membership and delivered historic electoral results.
"I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time, and hereby resign the office."
Took him this long to realise he was the chairman of a party consisting of dubious people that despise his religion?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:47 am
by C T
Interesting that Tice has already come out and lied about how close they were in the by-election.
I mean they were close enough that he didn't have to, but there are some people who will now believe his numbers even though there was an actual count with actual posted numbers. The post-truth world we live in, in a microcosm.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:43 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:56 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:45 pm
That didn't last long and just in time for the evening news
He appeared to the only real "pro" in their set up. Don't thing anyone can work with Frogface
Zia Yusuf has resigned as the chairman of Reform UK, saying "I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time".
In a post on social media, external, Yusuf did not expand further on his reasons for stepping down.
However, it comes after he said it was "dumb" for the party's newest MP to call on Sir Keir Starmer to ban the burka.
In a post on X, Yusuf wrote: "11 months ago I became chairman of Reform. I've worked full time as a volunteer to take the party from 14 to 30% [in national polls], quadrupled its membership and delivered historic electoral results.
"I no longer believe working to get a Reform government elected is a good use of my time, and hereby resign the office."
Took him this long to realise he was the chairman of a party consisting of dubious people that despise his religion?
Luckily that's it for useful idiots enticed by the limelight, no one else will be happy to sell their soul to join FagRage
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:33 am
by dpedin
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:43 am
tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:56 pm
SaintK wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:45 pm
That didn't last long and just in time for the evening news
He appeared to the only real "pro" in their set up. Don't thing anyone can work with Frogface
Took him this long to realise he was the chairman of a party consisting of dubious people that despise his religion?
Luckily that's it for useful idiots enticed by the limelight, no one else will be happy to sell their soul to join FagRage
I wonder if Yusuf got a refund of his membership fee from Refund 2025 Ltd?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:42 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
dpedin wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:33 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:43 am
tabascoboy wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 4:56 pm
Took him this long to realise he was the chairman of a party consisting of dubious people that despise his religion?
Luckily that's it for useful idiots enticed by the limelight, no one else will be happy to sell their soul to join FagRage
I wonder if Yusuf got a refund of his membership fee from Refund 2025 Ltd?
I think this is where one simply notes 'thoughts and prayers'
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:59 am
by Slick
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:42 am
dpedin wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:33 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 9:43 am
Luckily that's it for useful idiots enticed by the limelight, no one else will be happy to sell their soul to join FagRage
I wonder if Yusuf got a refund of his membership fee from Refund 2025 Ltd?
I think this is where one simply notes 'thoughts and prayers'
But not that type of prayers
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:03 am
by Yeeb
Slick wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:59 am
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:42 am
dpedin wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 10:33 am
I wonder if Yusuf got a refund of his membership fee from Refund 2025 Ltd?
I think this is where one simply notes 'thoughts and prayers'
But not that type of prayers
Maybe he’s gone for a swim ?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 11:53 am
by tabascoboy
New Reform led councils are stirring up anger with their DOGE style savings drive, in many cases they either don't have a clue on council budgeting processes or they are simply vindictive
Firefighters threaten strikes in 10 Reform council areas in pensions row
Union vows to 'fiercely resist' Reform UK's plans while demanding a wealth tax to 'properly fund public services and increase pay for all workers'
Firefighters are threatening to strike in areas where Reform UK has taken control of councils in a row over pensions being stripped back.
Richard Tice last week said the 10 councils Reform UK now controls would reduce the generosity of pensions for recruits and give existing staff lower pay rises to cover the cost of funding their retirement, in a bid to find Doge-like cost savings.
But the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) told The i Paper it would “fiercely resist” the plans, which it described as “an assault on the pensions of firefighters and council workers”.
Their intervention signals they may ultimately go on strike in a bid to overturn Tice’s proposals, The i Paper understands.
FBU general secretary Steve Wright said: “It’s outrageous that the multi-millionaire deputy leader of Reform UK has declared war on firefighters who pay into council workers’ pension schemes.
“Firefighters put their lives and health on the line day in and day out to protect the public.
“Now Richard Tice says that councils run by Reform UK intend to cut the final salary pension schemes that firefighters have already paid into.”
Paywalled item
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/firef ... ns-3732512
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:56 am
by tabascoboy
Playground politics, Pride flags and prayer - Reform's first Derbyshire County Council meeting
...Among the changes rolled out by the new Reform administration was the introduction of prayer at the beginning of full council meetings. Numerous new Reform councillors, including group whip Cllr Dan Price, have made reference to the “undermining and mocking of British and Christian culture” and that “we are a Christian nation”.
Meanwhile, Cllr Paul Oxberry, Reform member for Swadlincote South, had said building a church in Church Gresley, in southern Derbyshire, was among his key priorities. Cllr Alex Dale, Conservative Group leader, told the meeting that Cllr Graves had only won the Reform leadership contest “by a whisker” and questioned how long his time at the helm would last.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/l ... r-10206505
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:36 pm
by sockwithaticket
tabascoboy wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:56 am
Playground politics, Pride flags and prayer - Reform's first Derbyshire County Council meeting
...Among the changes rolled out by the new Reform administration was the introduction of prayer at the beginning of full council meetings. Numerous new Reform councillors, including group whip Cllr Dan Price, have made reference to the “undermining and mocking of British and Christian culture” and that “we are a Christian nation”.
Meanwhile, Cllr Paul Oxberry, Reform member for Swadlincote South, had said building a church in Church Gresley, in southern Derbyshire, was among his key priorities. Cllr Alex Dale, Conservative Group leader, told the meeting that Cllr Graves had only won the Reform leadership contest “by a whisker” and questioned how long his time at the helm would last.
https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/l ... r-10206505
Is it legal to insist on prayer like that?
Also, we don't need any more sodding churches. My mum has been in church admin roles with the C of E for the last 30 odd years and I've heard plenty about the travails of Christianity in this country. They struggle to fill up the churches they've already got and are constantly scrambling for funds to do maintenance since declining attendances means less in the collection plates or brought in by tithing. Where there is faith growth it's very much within populations Reform tend not to want anything to do with.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 3:45 pm
by tabascoboy
Reform UK councils in ‘shambles’ as newly elected councillors fail to show up
Reform UK gained control of nine councils and minority control in three more in May's local elections, but opposition councillors claim the party's organisation and productivity have been a "shambles" since.
Across the 12 Reform-controlled councils, 33 meetings have been cancelled or postponed in the first nine weeks since the election, and at least 21 Reform councillors have missed their first meetings.
In Kent, nine out of 22 scheduled meetings have been cancelled since the election, including legally required meetings like the governance and audit committee.
An opposition councillor in Kent, Rich Lehmann, said the cancellations were "shocking" and questioned Reform's ability to lead the council, while Sam Smith, leader of the Conservatives in Nottinghamshire, called the start "shambolic."
Reform UK councillors have reportedly cancelled meetings to reschedule them when more prepared, while Nottinghamshire Council’s new Reform leader Mick Barton dismissed the criticisms as "political rhetoric from the opposition."
https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/ ... 65359.html
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:12 pm
by Rhubarb & Custard
So it turns out there was a useful idiot willing to sell their soul, who knew
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:02 pm
by tabascoboy
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:12 pm
So it turns out there was a useful idiot willing to sell their soul, who knew
He'd just had a really bad day, is all

Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:12 pm
by fishfoodie
tabascoboy wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:02 pm
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:12 pm
So it turns out there was a useful idiot willing to sell their soul, who knew
He'd just had a really bad day, is all
Is there a Guinness World Record for the quickest reverse ferret ever ?, because I think we have a contender !
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:40 pm
by tabascoboy
I'm sure they're perfectly qualified for the jobs
Reform councillors aged 19 and 22 in charge of children’s and adult services at local authority
Social workers raise questions over clash of values and lack of experience of new lead members at Leicestershire County Council
Concerns are mounting over the appointment of two Reform councillors as political leads for children’s and adults services in Leicestershire.
Joseph Boam, 22, now heads up adult social care at Leicestershire County Council (LCC), and Charles Pugsley, 19, who is still at university, has been made cabinet member for children and family services.
The pair were appointed following the local elections in May, and are responsible for multi-million pound budgets.
Cllr Deborah Taylor, leader of the opposition at LCC and previous cabinet member for children and families, told PSW magazine: “My concern regarding the appointment of Mr Boam and Mr Pugsley is whether they possess the necessary business, organisational, or life experience to manage complex portfolios.
“Adult social care and children’s services account for approximately 75 per cent of the council’s £616 million budget.”
Cllr Boam was recently exposed by Hope Not Hate – a group opposing far-right extremism – as appearing to show support for misogynist Andrew Tate in posts from a now-deleted X account.
https://web1.basw.co.uk/about-social-wo ... ldrens-and
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 4:57 pm
by Hugo
This party is a Mickey Mouse thing if ever I saw one. They are an absolute joke.
They are only a thing because the traditional parties have done such a piss poor job this century.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:17 am
by tabascoboy
Hey boomers - send your kids and grandkids down the pits!
Nigel Farage’s pitch for Welsh elections: bring back coalmining
Reform leader says steel and coal industries can be revived but does not say how beyond ‘scrapping net zero’
Nigel Farage has demanded the reopening of domestic coalmines to provide fuel for new blast furnaces, arguing that Welsh people would happily return to mining if the pay was sufficiently high.
Speaking at an event in Port Talbot, the south Wales town traditionally associated with the steel industry, the Reform UK leader said it was in the “national interest” to have a guaranteed supply of steel, as well as UK-produced fuel for the furnaces, a close echo of Donald Trump’s repeated pledges to return heavy industry to the US.
Pressed on whether this was a realistic plan, particularly given that even if Wales did elect a Reform-run Senedd next May it could be blocked by Westminster, Farage conceded that the idea was most likely only realistic if done in conjunction with the national government.
“Our belief is that for what uses coal still has, we should produce our own coal,” he told the event, intended to boost Reform’s prominence in Wales in the run-up to next year’s elections.
“I’m not saying, let’s open up all the pits. What I am saying is there is coal, specific types of coal for certain uses, that we still need in this country, and we certainly will need for the blast furnaces here, that we should produce ourselves rather than importing.
“We are going to be using more steel over the next few years than we probably ever used, as we increase military spending and as we attempt a housebuilding programme … We are going to need a lot of steel. Our belief is we should be producing our own steel.”
Asked during a media Q&A how long it would take to reopen defunct blast furnaces such as the Tata steel plant in Port Talbot which shut last year, and if this was even possible, Farage accepted it would be difficult, needing “a change of mindset”.
He said: “Nothing’s impossible, but it might be difficult. It might be easier to build a new one.”
Quizzed on what evidence he had that young Welsh people would want to go down coalmines, Farage replied: “If you offer people well-paying jobs, you’d be surprised. Many will take them, even though you have to accept that mining is dangerous.”
Pressed then on whether even a Reform-run Welsh government could not achieve this alone, Farage accepted this was probably the case: “It’s difficult to know just how much leverage the Welsh government can have over these things. It probably needs to work in conjunction with a national government. It needs a complete change of philosophy. It needs a scrapping of net zero.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ng-revived
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:30 am
by Sandstorm
Can we send Nige down first with a candle to check for gas pockets?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 8:58 am
by Tichtheid
He's talking out his arse, quelle surprise.
You can't just re-open pits, many of them will be damaged beyond repair due to flooding and other issues. There is another story in the Guardian about the possibility of Sellafield C opening (I only read the headline), that is a much better option. Using Electric Arc Furnaces and Hydrogen instead of coal give you both great potential for steel production and steps towards net zero.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:02 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
If it holds we should produce our own coal for our own pig iron, where pray does Nigel stand on us importing iron ore? Logically there's a problematic solution to that query around imports, but no doubt FagRage is on the case
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:09 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
What we need is far more cheap power, and for that we need a massive upscaling of renewables energy supply (and yes some nuclear). Whether we want to keep the blast furnaces I don't know, possibly not as things stand, but who knows if the carbon capture tech is going to stay the same, there could be some big strides there in the next 2-3 decades and then you might suddenly find it was folly to have left the last blast furnace game.
Mind one suspects FagRage is simply political point scoring rather than having any cares about a useful industrial strategy, and he certainly has nothing sensible to say about the environment, far from it
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 11:09 am
by tabascoboy
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:02 am
If it holds we should produce our own coal for our own pig iron, where pray does Nigel stand on us importing iron ore? Logically there's a problematic solution to that query around imports, but no doubt FagRage is on the case
I'm sure he'd want us to import it from the US and Russia

Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:52 am
by tabascoboy
And the latest brainwave from them, a British remix of the "Trump Card" and the "DOGE Refund Dividend".
Reform UK are to offer wealthy foreigners and returning British expats a bespoke tax regime in exchange for a one-off payment of £250,000 with all funds collected redistributed to Britain’s lowest-paid workers, the party claims.
The proposal, dubbed the Britannia Card, is due to be unveiled by party leader Nigel Farage later this week. It promises a 10-year residence permit and a return to the controversial “remittance basis” of taxation, allowing cardholders to shield overseas income from UK tax and avoid inheritance tax entirely.
In return, high-net-worth applicants would pay an upfront “entry contribution” of £250,000, which Reform UK said would be distributed in full to the bottom 10% of UK earners.
Reform estimates this “Britannia workers’ dividend” could provide a tax-free annual payout of £600-£1,000 to roughly 2.5 million low-paid full-time workers, depending on uptake. The money would be delivered directly by HMRC at the end of each tax year.
Under the plan, foreign nationals and wealthy British returnees would gain access to the UK through a tax-light regime that exempts all overseas income and assets from UK taxation for a decade. Inheritance tax would also scrapped entirely.
In effect, Reform is proposing to sell exemption from the UK tax system – reinstating the abolished non-dom privileges in a simplified form but with a cash price attached. The party says the fee is not a “golden visa” but a way of ensuring wealthy newcomers “immediately contribute to British society”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -newcomers
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:57 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
It's not even the bottom 10% or workers as their vague plan they don't know how to do which mayn't make any sense anyway only applies to full-time workers getting some rebate.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:34 am
by SaintK
tabascoboy wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:52 am
And the latest brainwave from them, a British remix of the "Trump Card" and the "DOGE Refund Dividend".
Reform UK are to offer wealthy foreigners and returning British expats a bespoke tax regime in exchange for a one-off payment of £250,000 with all funds collected redistributed to Britain’s lowest-paid workers, the party claims.
The proposal, dubbed the Britannia Card, is due to be unveiled by party leader Nigel Farage later this week. It promises a 10-year residence permit and a return to the controversial “remittance basis” of taxation, allowing cardholders to shield overseas income from UK tax and avoid inheritance tax entirely.
In return, high-net-worth applicants would pay an upfront “entry contribution” of £250,000, which Reform UK said would be distributed in full to the bottom 10% of UK earners.
Reform estimates this “Britannia workers’ dividend” could provide a tax-free annual payout of £600-£1,000 to roughly 2.5 million low-paid full-time workers, depending on uptake. The money would be delivered directly by HMRC at the end of each tax year.
Under the plan, foreign nationals and wealthy British returnees would gain access to the UK through a tax-light regime that exempts all overseas income and assets from UK taxation for a decade. Inheritance tax would also scrapped entirely.
In effect, Reform is proposing to sell exemption from the UK tax system – reinstating the abolished non-dom privileges in a simplified form but with a cash price attached. The party says the fee is not a “golden visa” but a way of ensuring wealthy newcomers “immediately contribute to British society”.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -newcomers
Yay!! Let's do it
Nigel Farage’s plans to introduce a ‘Robin Hood tax’ to attract the wealthy back to the UK would cost the economy £34bn a year, a leading tax expert has warned.
Dan Neidle of Tax Policy Associates has hit out at the Britannia card scheme proposal, which would allow wealthy people to pay a one-off fee of £250,000 and replace the former non-dom scheme scrapped by Tory chancellor Jeremy Hunt and current Labour chancellor Rachel Reeves.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:57 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
Didn't Robin Hood steal from the rich to give to the poor? FagRage has more of a Sheriff of Nottingham tax announcement to make
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:13 am
by Yeeb
Tbf this just seems a copy of the Italy flat rate tax regime, that has indeed seen a fair number of rich head there . Perhaps it also costs Italy €34b ?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:31 am
by Rhubarb & Custard
FagRage wants to copy a fascist? colour me surprised
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 1:55 pm
by Yeeb
Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 10:31 am
FagRage wants to copy a fascist? colour me surprised
Their flat rate for wealthy thing was introduced about 8 years ago , about 2 people after Berlusconi was PM. Way before the current Meloni chick who I presume you are referring to as the fascist ?
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:01 pm
by Hugo
Farage is a lot like Trump in that he doesn't have the stamina or attention span to get to grips with anything before he bounces to the latest flavour of the month issue.
Nothing is ever fleshed out beyond the bare bones and he never sees anything through to completion. He spoke about grooming gangs and said he was going to press for a Reform led enquiry, nothing came of it. He always talks about the boat crossings but you'll never see him come up with any substantive policy to make you think he would be able to address the issue.
I maintain that he doesn't have the work ethic or the attention to detail to be considered a serious politician. He is able to upset the status quo effectively but solving problems is far outside his capability or where he likes to operate. He is a grenade thrower.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:16 pm
by Hal Jordan
Hugo wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 2:01 pm
Farage is a lot like Trump in that he doesn't have the stamina or attention span to get to grips with anything before he bounces to the latest flavour of the month issue.
Nothing is ever fleshed out beyond the bare bones and he never sees anything through to completion. He spoke about grooming gangs and said he was going to press for a Reform led enquiry, nothing came of it. He always talks about the boat crossings but you'll never see him come up with any substantive policy to make you think he would be able to address the issue.
I maintain that he doesn't have the work ethic or the attention to detail to be considered a serious politician. He is able to upset the status quo effectively but solving problems is far outside his capability or where he likes to operate. He is a grenade thrower.
None of which stops him being elected Prime Minister if the electorate acts with its usual insight into the substance of things. He just needs to push the right buttons at the right time.
Like Trump, he is as much a blank canvas on which people can project their personal grievances that he will solve bevause he's not The Elites as he is an enabler of their baser prejudices, pushing debate to areas where outright nastiness is acceptable in the public forum.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:23 pm
by shaggy
Farage was an MEP for over 20 years. That is quite some stamina to reach his goal of Britains exit from the European Union.
Re: Reform - new force or same old farce?
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:25 pm
by Hal Jordan
shaggy wrote: Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:23 pm
Farage was an MEP for over 20 years. That is quite some stamina to reach his goal of Britains exit from the European Union.
He wasn't exactly the exemplar of attendance or contribution during those 20 years. Happy to take his gold-plated pension though, the hypocrite.