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shereblue wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:18 am Would the UK welcome migrating aboriginals from Oz

Ellafan wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:23 am

shereblue wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:18 am Would the UK welcome migrating aboriginals from Oz

It is because they don't own the land, the land owns them, and country is fundamental.

Hugo wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:30 am

Ellafan wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:23 am

shereblue wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:18 am Would the UK welcome migrating aboriginals from Oz

It is because they don't own the land, the land owns them, and country is fundamental.

Thanks Ellafan for that very informative post.

Just to clarify when you say the land owns them is it that they consider that they can't exist without it and that they have reverence for the land because of its permanence?

Also, what are the spiritual beliefs of indigenous Australians?

“The land and the people are one, ‘cause the land is also related,” explains Dhanggal Gurruwiwi, a Galpu Elder from Nhulunbuy in the Northern Territory. “In our kinship system, as a custodian I’m the child of that land,” she says.

Ellafan wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:23 am

shereblue wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:18 am Would the UK welcome migrating aboriginals from Oz

There is no such word as "aboriginals".

While I imagine that indigenous Australians would, perhaps, travel throughout such a federation to undertake education and cultural activities, likely engaging with their first nation co-citizens, and probably advancing causes and claims relevant to those peoples, they would not likely migrate. This is not merely because there are a range of government assistance measures and concessions available in this country, that may not be elsewhere. It is because they don't own the land, the land owns them, and country is fundamental. A concept which now forms part of the common law of Australia, recognised by the High Court in Mabo's case. One of the more complex, but not insurmountable, problems in any federation would be how to balance the special rights of all first nation peoples, from the Maori* to the Inuit, and from the Gadigal people all the way north to .... the Scots.

Perhaps you ought refrain from making assumptions about indigenous Australians and making incorrect statements about them.


[*One of the reasons NZ did not join an Australasian Federation in 1901, was the special rights of the Maori under the Treaty of Waitangi. Another was being beholden to Melbourne for funding. Both of these things would need to be sorted out. In these more enlightened times you would hope the first would be less problematical now.]

Ellafan wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:26 pm

Hugo wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:30 am

Ellafan wrote: Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:23 am

It is because they don't own the land, the land owns them, and country is fundamental.

Thanks Ellafan for that very informative post.

Just to clarify when you say the land owns them is it that they consider that they can't exist without it and that they have reverence for the land because of its permanence?

Also, what are the spiritual beliefs of indigenous Australians?

“The land and the people are one, ‘cause the land is also related,” explains Dhanggal Gurruwiwi, a Galpu Elder from Nhulunbuy in the Northern Territory. “In our kinship system, as a custodian I’m the child of that land,” she says.

Have a read: https://australianstogether.org.au/disc ... e-of-land/

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