laurent wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 8:55 am
New season soon :)
Might be for real soon......
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:38 am
by Torquemada 1420
So, I am now co-owner of:
which is going to keep me busy as a retirement project.
Was offered Kemble's PR9
but sadly the costs of moving her were mental and so now she will probably be scrapped
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:30 am
by laurent
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:38 am
So, I am now co-owner of:
which is going to keep me busy as a retirement project.
Was offered Kemble's PR9
but sadly the costs of moving her were mental and so now she will probably be scrapped
Busy and Broke ?
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:17 pm
by Torquemada 1420
laurent wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 9:30 am
Busy and Broke ?
Would certainly have been broke moving PR9. It was in six figures. More than the price of the plane.
The Avons in the PR9 sound wonderful
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:10 pm
by GogLais
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:38 am
So, I am now co-owner of:
which is going to keep me busy as a retirement project.
Was offered Kemble's PR9
but sadly the costs of moving her were mental and so now she will probably be scrapped
I read Roland White’s book about the Falklands a while ago. Chile has an island (San Felix?) out in the Pacific. There were plans to fly PR9s from there. I don’t think they materialised but there were some Nimrod flights from there.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:25 am
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:10 pm
I read Roland White’s book about the Falklands a while ago. Chile has an island (San Felix?) out in the Pacific. There were plans to fly PR9s from there. I don’t think they materialised but there were some Nimrod flights from there.
That seems a bit odd because Chile is to the West of Argentina (obviously Falklands to the East) so, if you were going to fly from Chilean territory, you'd do it from land: all the islands bar Tierra DF are out in the Pacific so further West. I can't see how Chile allowing the RAF to operate from one of their islands would have been seen by the Argies and any different to flying out of Santiago!
GogLais wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:10 pm
I read Roland White’s book about the Falklands a while ago. Chile has an island (San Felix?) out in the Pacific. There were plans to fly PR9s from there. I don’t think they materialised but there were some Nimrod flights from there.
That seems a bit odd because Chile is to the West of Argentina (obviously Falklands to the East) so, if you were going to fly from Chilean territory, you'd do it from land: all the islands bar Tierra DF are out in the Pacific so further West. I can't see how Chile allowing the RAF to operate from one of their islands would have been seen by the Argies and any different to flying out of Santiago!
Easier to keep low profile if based in the islands. There was some crazy sounding scheme where they would land PR9s to top up fuel on a road in the Chilean desert. The Nimrod did do a recce trip from San Felix, maybe only one as they wrecked the undercarriage landing back on the short runway.
GogLais wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:10 pm
I read Roland White’s book about the Falklands a while ago. Chile has an island (San Felix?) out in the Pacific. There were plans to fly PR9s from there. I don’t think they materialised but there were some Nimrod flights from there.
That seems a bit odd because Chile is to the West of Argentina (obviously Falklands to the East) so, if you were going to fly from Chilean territory, you'd do it from land: all the islands bar Tierra DF are out in the Pacific so further West. I can't see how Chile allowing the RAF to operate from one of their islands would have been seen by the Argies and any different to flying out of Santiago!
Easier to keep low profile if based in the islands. There was some crazy sounding scheme where they would land PR9s to top up fuel on a road in the Chilean desert. The Nimrod did do a recce trip from San Felix, maybe only one as they wrecked the undercarriage landing back on the short runway.
The whole war was makeshift. Was talking with Dave Castle (Black Buck 6: the Rio incident) earlier in the year and he talked, amongst other comic moments, how there was no procedure to destroy the secret documents aboard the Vulcans in the event of them being captured.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:14 am
by MungoMan
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:38 am
So, I am now co-owner of:
which is going to keep me busy as a retirement project.
Was offered Kemble's PR9
but sadly the costs of moving her were mental and so now she will probably be scrapped
Is that a Vampire or one of the other Avro twin-boomed models beginning with V?
When I was a kid, Vampires would fly from the nearby RAAF airbase.
Edit
De Havilland, not Avro. FFS!
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:15 am
by Torquemada 1420
Sad to report the sole Czech Hurricane was lost at an airshow on Sunday, killing the pilot.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:38 am
So, I am now co-owner of:
which is going to keep me busy as a retirement project.
Was offered Kemble's PR9
but sadly the costs of moving her were mental and so now she will probably be scrapped
Is that a Vampire or one of the other Avro twin-boomed models beginning with V?
When I was a kid, Vampires would fly from the nearby RAAF airbase.
Edit
De Havilland, not Avro. FFS!
English Electric Canberra.
Ah, hadn’t swiped far enough up. Saw loads of Vampires in the 50s from RAF Valley, followed by Gnats. Also some twin piston engine trainer - Varsity or Oxford?
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:43 pm
by Torquemada 1420
MungoMan wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:14 am
Is that a Vampire or one of the other Avro twin-boomed models beginning with V?
When I was a kid, Vampires would fly from the nearby RAAF airbase.
Edit
De Havilland, not Avro. FFS!
Yup. 2 seat Vampire.
The Canberra is the photo/reconnaissance variant.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:49 pm
by Torquemada 1420
GogLais wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:17 am
Ah, hadn’t swiped far enough up. Saw loads of Vampires in the 50s from RAF Valley, followed by Gnats. Also some twin piston engine trainer - Varsity or Oxford?
Don't think Varsity were trainers. Never seen an Oxford!
GogLais wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 10:17 am
Ah, hadn’t swiped far enough up. Saw loads of Vampires in the 50s from RAF Valley, followed by Gnats. Also some twin piston engine trainer - Varsity or Oxford?
Don't think Varsity were trainers. Never seen an Oxford!
Also, you must be ancient (too)!
They would have been Vickers Varsity twin-engine crew trainers. Even had a bomb aimer's position. I will admit to getting on a bit now, very nearly as old as the Canberra.
That seems a bit odd because Chile is to the West of Argentina (obviously Falklands to the East) so, if you were going to fly from Chilean territory, you'd do it from land: all the islands bar Tierra DF are out in the Pacific so further West. I can't see how Chile allowing the RAF to operate from one of their islands would have been seen by the Argies and any different to flying out of Santiago!
Easier to keep low profile if based in the islands. There was some crazy sounding scheme where they would land PR9s to top up fuel on a road in the Chilean desert. The Nimrod did do a recce trip from San Felix, maybe only one as they wrecked the undercarriage landing back on the short runway.
The whole war was makeshift. Was talking with Dave Castle (Black Buck 6: the Rio incident) earlier in the year and he talked, amongst other comic moments, how there was no procedure to destroy the secret documents aboard the Vulcans in the event of them being captured.
I was lucky enough to sit in the Pilot & Navigator's seats on the Black Buck Vulcan. Stood in the bomb-bay next to the extra tank as well
Fantastic day out to RAF Waddington.
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:39 am
by Torquemada 1420
mat the expat wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:33 am
I was lucky enough to sit in the Pilot & Navigator's seats on the Black Buck Vulcan. Stood in the bomb-bay next to the extra tank as well
Fantastic day out to RAF Waddington.
There were 7 Black Buck missions and more than 1 Vulcan involved. 3 (maybe 4) I think.
Been lucky enough to forge some relationship with XM655 at Wellesbourne so hoping to get to experience what you have. And an EGR too with luck!
Re: Aircraft thread
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:36 am
by Oxbow
The sound of these bastards as they come in to land
mat the expat wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:33 am
I was lucky enough to sit in the Pilot & Navigator's seats on the Black Buck Vulcan. Stood in the bomb-bay next to the extra tank as well
Fantastic day out to RAF Waddington.
There were 7 Black Buck missions and more than 1 Vulcan involved. 3 (maybe 4) I think.
Been lucky enough to forge some relationship with XM655 at Wellesbourne so hoping to get to experience what you have. And an EGR too with luck!
All I can remember was that this was the last flyable one from the missions... I can't remember if that was the one still flying on the Airshow Circuit back then. This would have been around 1990
mat the expat wrote: Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:33 am
I was lucky enough to sit in the Pilot & Navigator's seats on the Black Buck Vulcan. Stood in the bomb-bay next to the extra tank as well
Fantastic day out to RAF Waddington.
There were 7 Black Buck missions and more than 1 Vulcan involved. 3 (maybe 4) I think.
Been lucky enough to forge some relationship with XM655 at Wellesbourne so hoping to get to experience what you have. And an EGR too with luck!
All I can remember was that this was the last flyable one from the missions... I can't remember if that was the one still flying on the Airshow Circuit back then. This would have been around 1990
OTTOHM I don't know if XH558 was one of the Black Buck participants. As an aside, they've just been screwed by Doncaster Airport (which many had warned would happen) and so now have to move...... which will cost a small fortune.
OTTOHM I don't know if XH558 was one of the Black Buck participants. As an aside, they've just been screwed by Doncaster Airport (which many had warned would happen) and so now have to move...... which will cost a small fortune.
OTTOHM I don't know if XH558 was one of the Black Buck participants. As an aside, they've just been screwed by Doncaster Airport (which many had warned would happen) and so now have to move...... which will cost a small fortune.
OTTOHM I don't know if XH558 was one of the Black Buck participants. As an aside, they've just been screwed by Doncaster Airport (which many had warned would happen) and so now have to move...... which will cost a small fortune.
OTTOHM I don't know if XH558 was one of the Black Buck participants. As an aside, they've just been screwed by Doncaster Airport (which many had warned would happen) and so now have to move...... which will cost a small fortune.
That is not the same thing. Museum pieces are cut and shut jobs because they are not intended to run again. In the case of the Vulcan we are talking disassembly to later reassemble in order to maintain operational capability. Just think of the complexity involved! Here is the Jetstream that went from Cranfield to (well, I can't say but it's in Scotland) and it took a couple of weeks and a very large sum of money to do:
