NPR

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:56 pm Pienaar is playing for the $hark$

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:27 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:18 pm

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:16 pm Yoh. Their URC squad is all they have. Absolutely no depth

Ditto $hark$

Seriously. You want to compare results. Vokkof. You and the Tit

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:37 am

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:27 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:18 pm

Ditto $hark$

Seriously. You want to compare results. Vokkof. You and the Tit

Oom, is it just me or is $ards getting a little aggressive when the $harks lose?

Maybe he is off the pappagaiitwak?

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:37 am

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:27 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:18 pm

Ditto $hark$

Seriously. You want to compare results. Vokkof. You and the Tit

Oom, is it just me or is $ards getting a little aggressive when the $harks lose?

Maybe he is off the pappagaiitwak?

Sards wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:01 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:37 am

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:27 pm

Seriously. You want to compare results. Vokkof. You and the Tit

Oom, is it just me or is $ards getting a little aggressive when the $harks lose?

Maybe he is off the pappagaiitwak?

I just cannot see what the Sharks see in Bonilla....
This kid is hopelessly out of his depth...He failed in the URC and I hope we don't see him again in the CC..........Its very frustrating when we let players go to keep him.

Anyway...was always going to be a tough match and I thought we were in it till our yellow. Well done CHEETAHS......going to be interesting going forward.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:08 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:37 am

Sards wrote: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:27 pm

Seriously. You want to compare results. Vokkof. You and the Tit

Oom, is it just me or is $ards getting a little aggressive when the $harks lose?

Maybe he is off the pappagaiitwak?

He compare me to his MIL Look like he is losing on a daily basis at home.

The $hark$ were lucky in the CC. Shown up by the champions.

I desperately want the Cheetahs to make a statement in the CC. They should add them in the URC.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:50 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

1 I don't think you can use the CC as an argument for their inclusion in the URC. They should win it with ease, as they don't have to split their resources between two competition.

2 I believe the Cheetahs should be included in the URC because of their history in the Pro16 and the fact they are one of the best teams in SA and its ludicrous they're not included.

3 If they can't be brought in on this merit alone, then we should have a promotion/relegation route in.

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:54 am I think for tradition and rivalry, we should not go the relegation/promotion route. Give teams years to build.

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:58 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:54 am I think for tradition and rivalry, we should not go the relegation/promotion route. Give teams years to build.

There has to be jeopardy. Teams that don't perform need to have an incentive to do so. At least we have the CC for them to play in.

Without the thread of jeopardy, you'll find a lot of meaningless games happening by halfway through the season.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:07 am They should simply add the Cheetahs and chuck Zebre. As simple as that.

The Lions beat Munster Zebre haven't won in ages.

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:50 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

I don't think you can use the CC as an argument for their inclusion in the URC. They should win it with ease, as they don't have to split their resources between two competition.

I believe the Cheetahs should be included in the URC becuase of their history in the Pro16 and the fact they are one of the best teams in SA and its ludicrous they're not included.

If they can't be brought in on this merit alone, then we should have a promotion/relegation route in.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:48 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

It's 2 completely different competitions. Also, when both competitions are running at the same time, the CC lose all it's value. If there was time in the calendar for the CC to run alone, it's prestige would have risen.

Sad to say, but the Cheetahs inability to consistently perform in international competitions as well as being run as a clown college have counted massively against them.

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:11 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:07 am They should simply add the Cheetahs and chuck Zebre. As simple as that.

The Lions beat Munster Zebre haven't won in ages.

You're joking. We had to kiss a lot of ass to get into this comp, now you want us to change the teams as we see fit?

Sorry boet, it does not work that way.

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:30 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:48 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

It's 2 completely different competitions. Also, when both competitions are running at the same time, the CC lose all it's value. If there was time in the calendar for the CC to run alone, it's prestige would have risen.

Sad to say, but the Cheetahs inability to consistently perform in international competitions as well as being run as a clown college have counted massively against them.

We need to introduce you to Zelt Marais.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:32 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:11 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:07 am They should simply add the Cheetahs and chuck Zebre. As simple as that.

The Lions beat Munster Zebre haven't won in ages.

You're joking. We had to kiss a lot of ass to get into this comp, now you want us to change the teams as we see fit?

Sorry boet, it does not work that way.

Look like Wales want to go.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... y-23474242

That will be good.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

Agree 100%

This Clown College kak is trolling started by Riaan Yster and his fellow $hark$ PR buddies.

Grey College is the top rugby manufacturer in South Africa.

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:46 am

Chilli wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:30 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:48 am

It's 2 completely different competitions. Also, when both competitions are running at the same time, the CC lose all it's value. If there was time in the calendar for the CC to run alone, it's prestige would have risen.

Sad to say, but the Cheetahs inability to consistently perform in international competitions as well as being run as a clown college have counted massively against them.

We need to introduce you to Zelt Marais.

I won't disagree on that, but struggling to see how this is relevant to our discussion on the Cheetahs?

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:50 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:43 am What would be a real disgrace is when the CC champs don't even compete in the URC. The CC is our only national competition with meaning so the eventual champions is crowned the best in SA. How do you justify the best team in SA not having a place in the URC? Not including them compromises the integrity of the whole lot. Both competitions becomes a complete meaningless farce then.

I don't think you can use the CC as an argument for their inclusion in the URC. They should win it with ease, as they don't have to split their resources between two competition.

I believe the Cheetahs should be included in the URC becuase of their history in the Pro16 and the fact they are one of the best teams in SA and its ludicrous they're not included.

If they can't be brought in on this merit alone, then we should have a promotion/relegation route in.

Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:50 am

I don't think you can use the CC as an argument for their inclusion in the URC. They should win it with ease, as they don't have to split their resources between two competition.

I believe the Cheetahs should be included in the URC becuase of their history in the Pro16 and the fact they are one of the best teams in SA and its ludicrous they're not included.

If they can't be brought in on this merit alone, then we should have a promotion/relegation route in.

Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am

assfly wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 8:50 am

I don't think you can use the CC as an argument for their inclusion in the URC. They should win it with ease, as they don't have to split their resources between two competition.

I believe the Cheetahs should be included in the URC becuase of their history in the Pro16 and the fact they are one of the best teams in SA and its ludicrous they're not included.

If they can't be brought in on this merit alone, then we should have a promotion/relegation route in.

Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:17 am

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am
Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

Problem with your analysis is that the Freestate is also part of SA and struggle with the same issues as the rest of the teams, only they don't have the huge budgets and don't only lose players abroad but to local teams as well. Stop making excuses for how your teams are preforming in our national comp. You have no foot to stand on with investors like Motsepe, Rupert and the Americans. One of the poorer teams from a backwater province with one great school and one university team is kicking your arses.

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:47 am

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am
Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

Exactly. Our teams just don't have enough good players to put out 2 quality sides, except maybe the Bulls. The Cheetahs should win comfortably against the second stringers of the other teams. I see the Bulls are now starting to play the URC team in the CC, I wonder if that's down to pressure on the coaches?

I've asked numerous times for the poc and quota posts to stop, without any success.

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:26 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:47 am

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

Exactly. Our teams just don't have enough good players to put out 2 quality sides, except maybe the Bulls. The Cheetahs should win comfortably against the second stringers of the other teams. I see the Bulls are now starting to play the URC team in the CC, I wonder if that's down to pressure on the coaches?

I've asked numerous times for the poc and quota posts to stop, without any success.

The Bulls seem to play the URC players in the CC that will be on the bench in the URC game, for example in the last week they made about 10 changes from the Munster game to the Sharks game, and then 10 changes again from the Sharks to the Scarlets game. So it seems like the Bulls are trying to let all the players in the squad keep up on the amount of minutes they play. For example if you take someone like Morne, he is on the bench for both the CC and URC squad, so he roughly plays close to a full game of minutes across the week. The same for most of the other URC squad players that do not start often. Yes it could backfire if the CC team pick up a bunch of injuries and you end up playing players a lot longer than you would want too like in the lock positions where they have several injuries. But it seems to work for them right now, all the players seem to be match fit whether on the bench or starters and also it feels like it is helping the players play better as a team because everyone gets regular game time. Players do not get a chance to get rusty from lack of playtime.
At least that is my take why the bulls include URC players into the CC

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:21 am
Not at all, it's about dividing resources between 2 teams.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:36 am

handyman wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:21 am
Not at all, it's about dividing resources between 2 teams.

The oldest team with the greatest rugby school system on the planet cannot produce enough players for two teams?

Please spin me another excuse, this one falls way short.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:17 am

bok_viking wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:26 am

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:16 am
Why should they win it with ease? With the resources the Sharks, Bulls, WP and the Lions have the Freestate should not even feature. We should be competing against your 3rds and not even that should be a certain win.

The problem is that even with better resources, the so called B/C sides of these unions are not that great or they are very under developed in skill. For all the depth we have in SA rugby and the amount of players that come through the youth/varsity system each year we lose way to many players to other countries each year. Even though we can put out pretty decent 1st teams with/without Springboks, there is a big quality gap between the first 23 and the 2nd in my opinion. With the CC running at the same time as the URC, the quality in CC has been a lot worse than it should be, it feels more like the old Vodacom Cup at the moment. When you have roughly 400 players all over the world, even if not all are international/top quality players, that's still a lot that our teams cannot choose from. That is unfortunately the reality SA teams have to live with.
And i see the quota system was mentioned again, there were just as many bad performing white players in these teams.

Just looking at the Bulls game last night, the massive difference in quality of play there was once Morne came on and replaced Mossie, same with the scrumhalf. A 38 year old should not be that much better than a 24 year old when it comes to the B team.

Problem with your analysis is that the Freestate is also part of SA and struggle with the same issues as the rest of the teams, only they don't have the huge budgets and don't only lose players abroad but to local teams as well. Stop making excuses for how your teams are preforming in our national comp. You have no foot to stand on with investors like Motsepe, Rupert and the Americans. One of the poorer teams from a backwater province with one great school and one university team is kicking your arses.

average joe wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 12:03 pm It's not selective quoting. I've left nothing out from your post. I omitted previous posts from a different poster in order to shorten my post and direct at to you, it is easy enough to scroll up if you want to reverence something from older post from another poster. It's not like the post you are referring to are months old, they are literally just a few post above my last. It's similar to what I'm doing now where I'm answering you with out quoting your last post. It's a very simple method that a thirteen year old can understand. I don't need to quote everything you or everyone ells said previously to give you an answer.

Regarding your other excuse of players leaving you in droves. I've already explained to you that this is not unique to only the WP. It has been happening to the Freestate for ages. Our current CC team is filled with no-names bar two pensioners. You telling me that you cant muster 15 good enough players to beat them is a copout.

Sards wrote: Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:54 am
Ja. Cheetahs are our most prolific CC side. But that's their ceiling