Stop voting for fucking Tories

[Tichtheid]

A competent labour opposition based on the values of fairness and transparency would nail them on changing the rules of an independent watchdog because they found an MP guilty of getting 3x their MPs salary to break lobbying rules to award Randox multi million pound contracts. But Keir Starmer is absolutely useless. And so they won't.

Whilst I tend to agree on the current opposition, it's a numbers game, if the Speaker selects this as a topic to vote on it will pass because it is whipped, and there is nothing that even the most competent leader of the opposition could do about it.

[dpedin]

https://thefishingdaily.com/uk-fishing- ... g-vessels/

So despite the claims that the UK has 'won the war' and Macron has 'stepped back/backed down' from the fishing dispute it appears that Jersey has quietly issued the licences the French claimed were being delayed. On the back of this Macron has therefore agreed to avoid the promised retaliation and Frost has to go to Paris, tail between his legs, to continue negotiations. Hardly the victory portrayed in the right wing press.

The jingoistic, xenophobic rhetoric has become embarrassing in the last couple of weeks with the racist language and deliberate mistranslation of the French PMs letter creating peak 'Little Englander' pant wetting amongst our 'glorious' MPs. The irony of accusing the French of not adhering to the spirit of the Withdrawal Agreement by a country who agreed to break International law in a limited and specific way or who now claim to have signed an International treaty whilst being 'pressure' and wanting to renegotiate it 12 months later has been completely lost. Unfortunately we are now exhibiting all the traits of a tin pot dictatorship and the rest of the world will either not want to touch us with a barge pole or else will use the opportunity of our now desperation to have a FTA, any FTA on offer, to get the best deal they can whilst we are on our knees. Australia managed to get their way in ripping out the Paris Agreement clauses they didn't like. Feck knows where this shitshow is going to go now!

Jersey has extended yet again temporary licences to fishing boats that have no proof of fishing their waters, likely because they turned off their transponders to fish illegally, under threat of having their power cut off and their port blockaded again.

The thought process that seems to result in every French/EU action being some rational, inevitable vulcan style event and every British one being emotional, unreasonable and insulting is silly and I'm staggered it still has such sway given the repeated actions of the French government this year.

According to French boats the CFP didn't oblige them to have transponders.


Good article on the dispute
https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-co ... -fish-war/

Cheers - good article explains current position.

[SaintK]

Today in the world's flagship democracy.

What a bunch of utter cunts. Paterson was a serial "house flipper" in the expenses scandal and had to pay back £1,000's
Downing St are also supporting Leadsom's amendment.so let's just hope that the Speaker has the balls not to call it for a vote.

Allies of a Tory MP who broke standards rules are trying to prevent him from being suspended from Parliament.

Owen Paterson was found to have used his position as an MP to benefit two firms that paid him as a consultant.

He said the probe into his conduct was unfair - and Tory MPs will try later to have his 30-day suspension put on hold while the rules are rewritten.

Labour say it is a "shocking" attempt to scrap the independent anti-sleaze system designed to keep MPs in check.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59143727

[I like neeps]

A competent labour opposition based on the values of fairness and transparency would nail them on changing the rules of an independent watchdog because they found an MP guilty of getting 3x their MPs salary to break lobbying rules to award Randox multi million pound contracts. But Keir Starmer is absolutely useless. And so they won't.

Whilst I tend to agree on the current opposition, it's a numbers game, if the Speaker selects this as a topic to vote on it will pass because it is whipped, and there is nothing that even the most competent leader of the opposition could do about it.

Make a song and a dance so it's picked up by the press and hopefully the wider public.

[Insane_Homer]

Sunak drawing the crowds in

[ScarfaceClaw]

Is that his actual speech or a sound check ahead of it?

[sockwithaticket]

A competent labour opposition based on the values of fairness and transparency would nail them on changing the rules of an independent watchdog because they found an MP guilty of getting 3x their MPs salary to break lobbying rules to award Randox multi million pound contracts. But Keir Starmer is absolutely useless. And so they won't.

Whilst I tend to agree on the current opposition, it's a numbers game, if the Speaker selects this as a topic to vote on it will pass because it is whipped, and there is nothing that even the most competent leader of the opposition could do about it.

Make a song and a dance so it's picked up by the press and hopefully the wider public.

The wider public have the collective memories of goldfish or straight up don't give a shit when it comes to political malfeasance and the majority enjoyed by the government means they basically have impunity to do whatever the fuck they please.

[Tichtheid]

Whilst I tend to agree on the current opposition, it's a numbers game, if the Speaker selects this as a topic to vote on it will pass because it is whipped, and there is nothing that even the most competent leader of the opposition could do about it.

Make a song and a dance so it's picked up by the press and hopefully the wider public.

The wider public have the collective memories of goldfish or straight up don't give a shit when it comes to political malfeasance and the majority enjoyed by the government means they basically have impunity to do whatever the fuck they please.

The current government definitely seem to have changed the rules on what constitutes a resignation offence. I'm not sure what Aitken did or Hamilton did was any worse that that which Paterson has been found guilty of.
Patel would have gone under any other leadership, hell even Peter Mandelson resigned, twice in fact.

Now "one of their own" can be found guilty by due process and they will just change the process.

[fishfoodie]

Paterson should be gone, precisely because they have a 80 seat majority !

If he was so stupid & arrogant as to get caught; he deserves to get kicked off the gravy train. I'm sure his constituents will just elect another grasping sack of shit with a blue rosette anyway; & the Tories can pretend they care about sleaze.

By sticking by him; they give ammo to the opposition, & if there are other by-elections; that majority may get whittled down.

[Insane_Homer]

If you’re a convicted sex pest, they will protect you, refuse to amend rules for you, be a character witness for you, even pressure a judge on your behalf. If you’re corrupt & in several breaches of lobbying rules, they’ll just change the rules.

[Insane_Homer]

I have a proposal for Mr Paterson, if he wants all the nasty to go away, simply pay back the bribes

[Insane_Homer]

[fishfoodie]

And the UK takes another lurch towards becoming a banana republic.

[Margin__Walker]

What a grubby day in the Commons. Imagine being a Conservative MP and voting for that with a straight face. No shame at all.

[Insane_Homer]

What a grubby day in the Commons. Imagine being a Conservative MP and voting for that with a straight face. No shame at all.

Rees Bogg, with a straight face, said he'd still support it even if it were a Labour MP

[SaintK]

What a grubby day in the Commons. Imagine being a Conservative MP and voting for that with a straight face. No shame at all.

Fired off a "Mr Angry" e-mail to my MP about the Paterson thing
Just checked and the bastard had voted in the Aye lobby. Didn't even haave the bollocks to abstain

[Tichtheid]

From the article I posted earlier

On only two occasions since the second world war have suspensions been contested in the Commons, it is thought, but never has one been downgraded or removed.

This is how far they are prepared to go to protect one of their own.

[dpedin]

From the article I posted earlier

On only two occasions since the second world war have suspensions been contested in the Commons, it is thought, but never has one been downgraded or removed.

This is how far they are prepared to go to protect one of their own.

Cunts!

[JM2K6]

Tory scum.

[Openside]

because listening to people drone on about something that may or may not happen and then not doing anything about it seems pretty dull to me.

May or may not happen eh? Not in our lifetime perhaps, but I certainly worry for my young grandchildren if we don't start doing something about it now.

This is what I genuinely don't understand.

I don't have kids and I'm 67, so it's no skin off my nose if global warming makes life on earth uninhabitable in thirty or forty years, but I would have thought that anyone who had children would want them to survive to adulthood.

Seriously. Maybe global warning is a hoax, as ex President Trump was claiming on twitter today.

But, even so, would you bet the lives of your offspring on it?

Of course not. Not unless you are a complete cunt.

hysterical much?

[Openside]

very good

[Plim]

May or may not happen eh? Not in our lifetime perhaps, but I certainly worry for my young grandchildren if we don't start doing something about it now.

This is what I genuinely don't understand.

I don't have kids and I'm 67, so it's no skin off my nose if global warming makes life on earth uninhabitable in thirty or forty years, but I would have thought that anyone who had children would want them to survive to adulthood.

Seriously. Maybe global warning is a hoax, as ex President Trump was claiming on twitter today.

But, even so, would you bet the lives of your offspring on it?

Of course not. Not unless you are a complete cunt.

hysterical much?

I love my children so much that I would help them pump out their houses inundated by sea water and fight the mobs of hungry nomads searching for Mars Bars and Pot Noodles.

Not that anyone has to worrry about this. Because the effects of global warming - which is real - will be so slow that we can adapt.

[Biffer]

This is what I genuinely don't understand.

I don't have kids and I'm 67, so it's no skin off my nose if global warming makes life on earth uninhabitable in thirty or forty years, but I would have thought that anyone who had children would want them to survive to adulthood.

Seriously. Maybe global warning is a hoax, as ex President Trump was claiming on twitter today.

But, even so, would you bet the lives of your offspring on it?

Of course not. Not unless you are a complete cunt.

hysterical much?

I love my children so much that I would help them pump out their houses inundated by sea water and fight the mobs of hungry nomads searching for Mars Bars and Pot Noodles.

Not that anyone has to worrry about this. Because the effects of global warming - which is real - will be so slow that we can adapt.

Will they, aye?

[I like neeps]

The UK, a proud democracy.

[fishfoodie]

The Scots need to immediately start rebuilding Hadrian's wall; because:

i) They'll need a proper border when they join the EU; &

ii) So there's a wall long enough; South of the border; to line all the traitors up against !

[Ymx]

Scotland can be as happy and United as Ireland

[Slick]

The Scots need to immediately start rebuilding Hadrian's wall; because:

i) They'll need a proper border when they join the EU; &

ii) So there's a wall long enough; South of the border; to line all the traitors up against !

Are we off?

[Insane_Homer]

The Daily Heil?

[Rinkals]

May or may not happen eh? Not in our lifetime perhaps, but I certainly worry for my young grandchildren if we don't start doing something about it now.

This is what I genuinely don't understand.

I don't have kids and I'm 67, so it's no skin off my nose if global warming makes life on earth uninhabitable in thirty or forty years, but I would have thought that anyone who had children would want them to survive to adulthood.

Seriously. Maybe global warning is a hoax, as ex President Trump was claiming on twitter today.

But, even so, would you bet the lives of your offspring on it?

Of course not. Not unless you are a complete cunt.

A lot of people would rather be 100% sure that their kids are provided for in 25 years (good education, maybe a start on a mortgage) rather than 50% sure their plot of land will be under water.

Being able to “go without” now to “save your children” in 30 years time is a luxury of the top 5% of the planet only.

Ok, so it's not that likely that their plot will be underwater.

But if you are ok for your actions (or lack of action) to put somebody else's plot underwater, that still makes you a cunt.

[Rinkals]

This is what I genuinely don't understand.

I don't have kids and I'm 67, so it's no skin off my nose if global warming makes life on earth uninhabitable in thirty or forty years, but I would have thought that anyone who had children would want them to survive to adulthood.

Seriously. Maybe global warning is a hoax, as ex President Trump was claiming on twitter today.

But, even so, would you bet the lives of your offspring on it?

Of course not. Not unless you are a complete cunt.

hysterical much?

I love my children so much that I would help them pump out their houses inundated by sea water and fight the mobs of hungry nomads searching for Mars Bars and Pot Noodles.

Not that anyone has to worrry about this. Because the effects of global warming - which is real - will be so slow that we can adapt.

The point I was making (which OS called hysterical), is that I am still willing to make any small sacrifice I can to combat Climate change even if it's unlikely to affect me.

That people who have offspring who will very likely be affected by climate change are against doing likewise is baffling.

[fishfoodie]

The Daily Heil?

You can see why they want the scrote, Dacre, in charge of Ofcom.

[Edit] And note how they blame the; "venal political class". The pricks can't even state the simple fact that this is a purely Tory operation.

[Tichtheid]

When me and her were talking about the latest sleaze last night, my wife said that this is not about Paterson, there are bigger fish to fry/save.

She is not the only one who thinks this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-watchdog


oh and just when you think having the gall to dismantle the process when it catches you out was as bad as it gets, now they demanding that the independent commissioner should be sacked and disgraced

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-paterson

[Margin__Walker]

Yeah, saw that. This issue pushed me past my seldom breached emailed missive to my Tory MP threshold. Not done that since Cummings' excursion.

[Margin__Walker]

Looks like my email may have done the trick

[Paddington Bear]

Honestly staggered they even tried on this. So brazen.

[Tichtheid]

Looks like my email may have done the trick

I like the reply to that tweet that has the guys moving the goal posts

[sockwithaticket]

Looks like my email may have done the trick

Clearly direct causality. Can you upbraid them a bit more often, Margin?

I've drafted a message of my own to send Jeremy Hunt, for all the good it'll do. Will have to amend it a bit if they do backtrack to say that even , though they might not have gone through with it, the fact they planned to do so is dangerous for our notions of fairness and democratic oversight.

[fishfoodie]

Looks like my email may have done the trick

Clearly direct causality. Can you upbraid them a bit more often, Margin?

I've drafted a message of my own to send Jeremy Hunt, for all the good it'll do. Will have to amend it a bit if they do backtrack to say that even , though they might not have gone through with it, the fact they planned to do so is dangerous for our notions of fairness and democratic oversight.

Maybe mention that now you have seen the Tories, "vision", of Democracy, you won't be putting an X beside his name.

[yermum]

When me and her were talking about the latest sleaze last night, my wife said that this is not about Paterson, there are bigger fish to fry/save.

She is not the only one who thinks this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-watchdog


oh and just when you think having the gall to dismantle the process when it catches you out was as bad as it gets, now they demanding that the independent commissioner should be sacked and disgraced

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... n-paterson

The builder we used for an extension on our house was also refurbing Boris's Thame family house so it could be rented this summer.

when he took on the job he was dealing direct with BJ and the spec was to do it as cheap and bodged as possible so he could rent it for some quick cash. About halfway through a design consultancy took over and the budget quadrupled and he never spoke to BJ again. All the bills were paid by the consultancy. not saying it was tory donors paying but....

[SaintK]

Yeah, saw that. This issue pushed me past my seldom breached emailed missive to my Tory MP threshold. Not done that since Cummings' excursion.

Yep, did the same last night. Despite voting against or abstaining on various votes previously he followed the rest of the sheep through the aye lobby!!!