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Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:00 am**

de Kock not playing 'for personal reasons' after a taking the knee discrepancy with CSA.

https://cricket.co.za/2021/10/26/csa-bo ... -the-knee/

The Cricket South Africa (CSA) Board on Monday evening unanimously agreed to issue a directive requiring all Proteas players to adopt a consistent and united stance against racism by “taking the knee” prior to the start of their remaining World Cup matches.

Concerns were raised that the different postures taken by team members in support of the BLM initiative created an unintended perception of disparity or lack of support for the initiative.

After considering all relevant issues, including the position of the players, the Board felt that it was imperative for the team to be seen taking a united and consistent stand against racism, especially given SA’s history.

Several other teams at the World Cup have adopted a consistent stance against the issue, and the Board felt it is time for all SA players to do the same.

“Taking the knee” is the global gesture against racism adopted by sportspeople across sporting codes because they recognise the power sport has to bring people together.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am**

Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:48 am South Africa chose to field

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:07 am**

I like Markram opening the bowling. Sneaking in a over by a part timer when the batsmen aren't looking to score.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:07 am**

Faf and AB were right to quit this shitshow!

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:09 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.

The governing by our cricket body is unbelievably poor. They make poor decision after poor decision.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:12 am**

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:09 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
The governing by our cricket body is unbelievably poor. They make poor decision after poor decision.

De Kock must now make a break for it too. The IPL and Big Bash etc could set him up for life.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:12 am**

Lewis pulling a Bavuma, 1 run of 9 deliveries.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:13 am**

handyman wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:12 am Lewis pulling a Bavuma, 1 run of 9 deliveries.

Is Markram finally fulfilling his massive potential? 2 overs for 4 runs. Batted well in the first game.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:15 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:12 am
handyman wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:09 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
The governing by our cricket body is unbelievably poor. They make poor decision after poor decision.
De Kock must now make a break for it too. The IPL and Big Bash etc could set him up for life.

Another world cup ruined by the governing body unable to let the players do what they're picked to do. These things should have been discussed and decided months ago.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:18 am**

Lewis going after Narkram.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:21 am**

Is Markram finally fulfilling his massive potential?

not in that over.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:24 am**

Huge gamble to bowl Markram at Lewis in the powerplay.

Unsurprisingly, Lewis takes full advantage.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:26 am**

FFS keeper drops a sitter!

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:26 am**

Two catchable balls grassed now.

This is going to get messy.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:42 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:07 am Faf and AB were right to quit this shitshow!

Yip, come on Windies!

Hope we get thrashed

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:44 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.

What would be the reason that players wouldn't take the knee?

I mean - is this a refusal because they don't agree with the sentiment, don't believe there is a problem, feel that the gesture is redundant, insufficient?

Seems like an odd hill to die on?

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:55 am**

Almost match fixingly bad batting here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am**

Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:44 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
What would be the reason that players wouldn't take the knee?

I mean - is this a refusal because they don't agree with the sentiment, don't believe there is a problem, feel that the gesture is redundant, insufficient?

Seems like an odd hill to die on?

I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:02 am**

sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.

Suggesting taking the knee in solidarity with a cause is lacking in self respect is quite simply the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:05 am**

If half your team feels strongly about taking the knee, why would you refuse to do so?

If you put yourself directly against your team mates, you are obviously risking dividing the team which only benefits the opposition.

If I played for a team where half the side felt that racism was an issue, I would kneel with them, whether I believed in it or not.

FFS.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am**

sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:44 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
What would be the reason that players wouldn't take the knee?

I mean - is this a refusal because they don't agree with the sentiment, don't believe there is a problem, feel that the gesture is redundant, insufficient?

Seems like an odd hill to die on?
I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.

Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am**

Rinkals wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:05 am If half your team feels strongly about taking the knee, why would you refuse to do so?

If you put yourself directly against your team mates, you are obviously risking dividing the team which only benefits the opposition.

If I played for a team where half the side felt that racism was an issue, I would kneel with them, whether I believed in it or not.

FFS.

Why wait until the World Cup to decide it?

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:09 am**

Rinkals wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:05 am If half your team feels strongly about taking the knee, why would you refuse to do so?

If you put yourself directly against your team mates, you are obviously risking dividing the team which only benefits the opposition.

If I played for a team where half the side felt that racism was an issue, I would kneel with them, whether I believed in it or not.

FFS.

Put much more succinctly than I managed.

It is such an odd thing to exclude yourself from......unless......well......

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:11 am**

FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.

This, fuck the Proteas

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:11 am**

Think SA will be annoyed at Rabada for getting rid of the painful Simmons? Leaving him out there for another few overs would have been an outstanding result.

Easily the most selfish innings I have seen in T20's for a long time.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am**

Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:44 am

What would be the reason that players wouldn't take the knee?

I mean - is this a refusal because they don't agree with the sentiment, don't believe there is a problem, feel that the gesture is redundant, insufficient?

Seems like an odd hill to die on?
I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.

It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:17 am**

Rinkals wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:05 am If half your team feels strongly about taking the knee, why would you refuse to do so?

If you put yourself directly against your team mates, you are obviously risking dividing the team which only benefits the opposition.

If I played for a team where half the side felt that racism was an issue, I would kneel with them, whether I believed in it or not.

FFS.

The only thing that is causing a problem is this CSA directive, done purely to cover their own arse before the ANC politicians . None of his team mates have expressed any issue with his actions and he's a popular player. We'll see how much the proteas bennefits by not playing their best player

Edit: also don't be a prick and claim the reason he doesn't take the knee is because he thinks racsim is not a problem, prick.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:18 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:02 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Suggesting taking the knee in solidarity with a cause is lacking in self respect is quite simply the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.

Being FORCED to take the knee.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:19 am**

Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am

I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.
It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.

Ja vok, de Kock is an old white Saffa who CAN play cricket.

He,ll be a racist for his principles.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:27 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
This, fuck the Proteas

So, because a side is taking a stand against racism, you would be happy to see them lose?

WTF?

So, it looks like most of the Saffers on here don't want to see the Proteas win?

Christ!

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am**

Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am

I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.
It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.

Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am**

Rinkals wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:27 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:11 am
FalseBayFC wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:06 am Oh FFS! If that's the case I would be quite happy to see us lose and not make the semis. Not because I oppose the cause or the act of taking the knee. Removing the right to choose is wrong.
This, fuck the Proteas
So, because a side is taking a stand against racism, you would be happy to see them lose?

WTF?

So, it looks like most of the Saffers on here don't want to see the Proteas win?

Christ!

It is ridiculous. OomPB just reaffirming that an old racist cannot change its spots. I cannot believe some of the comments here.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am**

Nortje really bowling well.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:29 am**

sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am
Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am

Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.
It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.
Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.

WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:31 am**

Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am

I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.
It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.

Bullshit! Stop being so right on! This is another cock up by a useless and corrupt sports body that has ruined yet another world cup for us. Making kneeling mandatory a compulsory act is ludicrous and makes a mockery of everything that BLM stands for. Its an over reaction.

And your ridiculous generalizations about older white people cause a divisiveness which is becoming more and more entrenched in our country.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:34 am**

Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:29 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am
Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am

It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.
Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.
WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

Making it an obligatory act voids it of all meaning.

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:36 am**

sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:28 am
Big Nipper wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:16 am
Thor Sedan wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:07 am

Did you thump your chest and eat a small mammal while you wrote this?

Are you saying that trying to highlight the struggle that racism still exists is stupid?

Also - I have plenty of respect for myself due to the fact that I am secure enough to see and understand issues that sit outside my personal situation. Respecting others is not disrespecting myself.....what an odd thing to level at someone you have never met.
It is a lost cause trying to convince old white saffas that taking the knee is not some sort of blasphemy. They will tell you 27yrs of democracy is enough reperations for 400yrs of tyranny against black folk.
Please don't think you speak for me. I fully acknowledge that racism exists. I don't see how forcing someone to do something helps. All t does it drive racism underground and make people more resentful of race.

As I understand it, Graeme Smith wanted it to be a uniform stand. Either all kneeling, all standing with fist aloft or all just standing there doing nothing, and I think it's fair enough.

It really looked odd with half the side kneeling and the others making a fist or kicking their heels.

If you are not prepared, as a team, to make a common stand on an issue that some feel strongly about, then you are not really a team, are you?

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:36 am**

sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:18 am
Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:02 am
sorCrer wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:56 am I will not take the knee for any man or cause. It's plain stupid. Forcing someone to do it is even worse. Have some respect for yourself.
Suggesting taking the knee in solidarity with a cause is lacking in self respect is quite simply the dumbest thing I've read in quite some time.
Being FORCED to take the knee.

Why would he need to be forced? Why wouldn't he want to?

Posted: **Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:37 am**

Anyway, back to the cricket…..SA pulling back the score here with some great bowling.

NPR

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