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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm Just extraordinary losses by the Russians over the last 24 to 48 hours with their blind assaults on Avdiivka. Madness. Utter madness.
The helicopter numbers lost to the ATACMS are crazy some estimate are over 21 (satellite images)
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laurent wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:49 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm Just extraordinary losses by the Russians over the last 24 to 48 hours with their blind assaults on Avdiivka. Madness. Utter madness.
The helicopter numbers lost to the ATACMS are crazy some estimate are over 21 (satellite images)
That's a few hunks of machinery. Ukrainians are claiming over 1300 Russian casualties yesterday. Stating it was worse that Bahkmut or Vulhedar.
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Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:58 pm
laurent wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:49 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:38 pm Just extraordinary losses by the Russians over the last 24 to 48 hours with their blind assaults on Avdiivka. Madness. Utter madness.
The helicopter numbers lost to the ATACMS are crazy some estimate are over 21 (satellite images)
That's a few hunks of machinery. Ukrainians are claiming over 1300 Russian casualties yesterday. Stating it was worse that Bahkmut or Vulhedar.
These helicopters have been causing a lot of trouble (used to replace artillery that has been destroyed at crazy numbers).
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laurent wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 4:11 pm
Flockwitt wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:58 pm
laurent wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 3:49 pm

The helicopter numbers lost to the ATACMS are crazy some estimate are over 21 (satellite images)
That's a few hunks of machinery. Ukrainians are claiming over 1300 Russian casualties yesterday. Stating it was worse that Bahkmut or Vulhedar.
These helicopters have been causing a lot of trouble (used to replace artillery that has been destroyed at crazy numbers).
I understand your point - there was a reason they were the first targets selected for use with the ATACMS.
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I've seen a lot of shit these last 18 months.

But the sheer stupidity of RU actions in Avdiivka, Pisky area is astounding.

I've never seen such lack of disregard for soldiers. Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through.

The RU losses have to be extremely high. As in the thousands already and only from 3-4 days of fighting. And it's not just mobiks, it's vdv, dpr, & contract units. Just being thrown to slaughter in hopes Ukrainian positions run out of ammunition.

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Hellraiser wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:05 pm
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I've seen a lot of shit these last 18 months.

But the sheer stupidity of RU actions in Avdiivka, Pisky area is astounding.

I've never seen such lack of disregard for soldiers. Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through.

The RU losses have to be extremely high. As in the thousands already and only from 3-4 days of fighting. And it's not just mobiks, it's vdv, dpr, & contract units. Just being thrown to slaughter in hopes Ukrainian positions run out of ammunition.

Oct 13, 2023 · 9:35 AM UTC
What's the idea behind this?
Take pressure off other areas?
Get a "win" at any costs?
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Uncle fester wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 11:06 am
Hellraiser wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:05 pm
Ryan O'Leary
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I've seen a lot of shit these last 18 months.

But the sheer stupidity of RU actions in Avdiivka, Pisky area is astounding.

I've never seen such lack of disregard for soldiers. Running straight line human waves. Bodies stacked ontop of each other in fields, armor running over the deceased to get through.

The RU losses have to be extremely high. As in the thousands already and only from 3-4 days of fighting. And it's not just mobiks, it's vdv, dpr, & contract units. Just being thrown to slaughter in hopes Ukrainian positions run out of ammunition.

Oct 13, 2023 · 9:35 AM UTC
What's the idea behind this?
Take pressure off other areas?
Get a "win" at any costs?
Taking pressure off the Zaporizhzhia front is part of it, but it's also probably trying to push the Ukrainians back from proximity to Donetsk city with a view to freezing the front line in a more advantageous position. As it is the reason why Avdiivka has held out for 18 months is because it's a nightmare to assault; it's on a height with open fields and water obstacles to the north and south, as well as the enormous Terrikon slag mountain, and 8 years worth of fortifications in a great arc facing east.
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Russians are digging tunnels in Avdiivka to get closer to the Ukrainian positions, says the spokesman of the 110th Brigade Anton Kotsukon':

"They are digging tunnels closer to our positions, firstly, for the purpose of camouflage, and, secondly, to emerge somewhere closer to our positions unexpectedly"

He also noted that Ukrainians spotted the use of remote-controlled robotic transport vehicles by the Russians that can carry a decent load.

Kotsukon' added that Russians are not abandoning hopes to take Avdiivka.

This material was published on Unian on 21 October: https://t.co/iuHNUFNg0p
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tabascoboy wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:18 pm
Russians are digging tunnels in Avdiivka to get closer to the Ukrainian positions, says the spokesman of the 110th Brigade Anton Kotsukon':

"They are digging tunnels closer to our positions, firstly, for the purpose of camouflage, and, secondly, to emerge somewhere closer to our positions unexpectedly"

He also noted that Ukrainians spotted the use of remote-controlled robotic transport vehicles by the Russians that can carry a decent load.

Kotsukon' added that Russians are not abandoning hopes to take Avdiivka.

This material was published on Unian on 21 October: https://t.co/iuHNUFNg0p

Desperation stuff. At this stage is pretty certain that Avdiivka has been an even greater disaster than Vuhledar.
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Hellraiser wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:53 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:18 pm
Russians are digging tunnels in Avdiivka to get closer to the Ukrainian positions, says the spokesman of the 110th Brigade Anton Kotsukon':

"They are digging tunnels closer to our positions, firstly, for the purpose of camouflage, and, secondly, to emerge somewhere closer to our positions unexpectedly"

He also noted that Ukrainians spotted the use of remote-controlled robotic transport vehicles by the Russians that can carry a decent load.

Kotsukon' added that Russians are not abandoning hopes to take Avdiivka.

This material was published on Unian on 21 October: https://t.co/iuHNUFNg0p

Desperation stuff. At this stage is pretty certain that Avdiivka has been an even greater disaster than Vuhledar.
It really is insane. I expect the Ukrainians to continue to advance in the south over winter. When are we expecting F-16s? Can't be far off now.
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Any nearby rivers that would allow for water to be channelled kono their new tunnels? To flush out the rats...
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geordie_6 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:13 am Any nearby rivers that would allow for water to be channelled kono their new tunnels? To flush out the rats...
Not sure how Ruzzians will deal with potential inundation from the autumn Rasputitsa
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tabascoboy wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:21 am
geordie_6 wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2023 8:13 am Any nearby rivers that would allow for water to be channelled kono their new tunnels? To flush out the rats...
Not sure how Ruzzians will deal with potential inundation from the autumn Rasputitsa
As effectively as they did last year I expect, with shite equipment and shite-r conscripts.
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To paraphrase Russia sent more waves of attacks against the slag heap and did manage to get troops onto it so it is now contested territory. In response, the Ukrainians launched a counter-attack to cut off the southern pincer and prevent encirclement of Avdiivka.

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Erdoğan has approved Swedish NATO membership.
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Very reservedly the Russians confirm the takedown of their own Mi-8 helicopter which resulted in the deaths of 3 pilots "over the sea". A brief note without mentioning the names appeared on Kirill Fyodorov's channel where the fundraiser was also launched. It is still unclear where and when this happened.
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Hellraiser wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:34 pm Erdoğan has approved Swedish NATO membership.
Wonder what the bribe was?
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Uncle fester wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:39 am
Hellraiser wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:34 pm Erdoğan has approved Swedish NATO membership.
Wonder what the bribe was?
F-16 deal probably.
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Hellraiser wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:31 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:39 am
Hellraiser wrote: Mon Oct 23, 2023 3:34 pm Erdoğan has approved Swedish NATO membership.
Wonder what the bribe was?
F-16 deal probably.
Thought that might be it. Hungary still blocking either nation?
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Hardly looks like an area where intense attack and defence has been ongoing...but Russia have claimed themselves a slag mound

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Uncle fester wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:45 pm
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Uncle fester wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:39 am

Wonder what the bribe was?
F-16 deal probably.
Thought that might be it. Hungary still blocking either nation?
Finland joined last April. Hungary will play silly buggers to the last.
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tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:45 pm Hardly looks like an area where intense attack and defence has been ongoing...but Russia have claimed themselves a slag mound

Planting a flag doesn't mean much. The Ukrainians could easily send a loitering munition to blow it up.
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Hellraiser wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:17 pm
tabascoboy wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:45 pm Hardly looks like an area where intense attack and defence has been ongoing...but Russia have claimed themselves a slag mound

Planting a flag doesn't mean much. The Ukrainians could easily send a loitering munition to blow it up.
Hah! What did I tell you!

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:lolno: nice try Russia

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tabascoboy wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 4:36 pm :lolno: nice try Russia

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The "I blocked the punch with my face" excuse has been trotted out many, many times before.
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Hellraiser wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 7:16 pm
Uncle fester wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:45 pm
Hellraiser wrote: Tue Oct 24, 2023 1:31 pm

F-16 deal probably.
Thought that might be it. Hungary still blocking either nation?
Finland joined last April. Hungary will play silly buggers to the last.
Fascists gonna fascist.
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