NPR

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

GogLais wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:36 am

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

It’s like rugby and not being able to get out of your 22. Refs are always going to make mistakes and you want to be in the right place when it happens.

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am Kane does that, it's part of what makes him a top class player when he's on form - he's a very good creative player when he drops back like that. But he's just a bit slow at the moment.

Must admit the punditry and commentary over goals and shots always makes me laugh. Any kind of finish is a "great" finish no matter where it goes. Kane whacking one at the keeper and it going in off his chest - a great finish! Kane heading it at the keeper but it going through his legs rather than anywhere not near the keeper - a great finish. Sterling whacking one straight at the keeper - a great save.

Ah well.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:37 am

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

Basically, the angles they first used showed absolutely nothing. The reverse angle (posted earlier in the thread) wasn't shown during the game until much after. That angle does show he gets fouled twice, by two players stepping across him and not trying to get the ball at all. But it definitely looked like a dive without those ones.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

Grealish gives the ball away a lot, doesn't track back, and was there to create the goal - we had the goal, may as well put another defensive player on. Pretty ruthless stuff by Southgate.

Not really been impressed by Grealish, he's very flash and gets fouled a lot, which is useful for a team with a decent set piece, but he seems less connected to the rest of the team and doesn't really create as much as his legend suggests. I'd rather Sancho than him tbh. It did mean England lost an "out" ball and had to defend deeper though.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am Kane does that, it's part of what makes him a top class player when he's on form - he's a very good creative player when he drops back like that. But he's just a bit slow at the moment.

Must admit the punditry and commentary over goals and shots always makes me laugh. Any kind of finish is a "great" finish no matter where it goes. Kane whacking one at the keeper and it going in off his chest - a great finish! Kane heading it at the keeper but it going through his legs rather than anywhere not near the keeper - a great finish. Sterling whacking one straight at the keeper - a great save.

Ah well.

Kane is having the same problems as Wayne Rooney. He's England's most creative player and best passer as well as the finisher. No point in him being in the box without service. His pass to Saka for the first goal has to be considered as pass of the tournament.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:37 am

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Plim wrote: Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:38 pm Shame about the bogus penalty. But England were the better side by some distance, so not as sour a win as it might have been.

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

Basically, the angles they first used showed absolutely nothing. The reverse angle (posted earlier in the thread) wasn't shown during the game until much after. That angle does show he gets fouled twice, by two players stepping across him and not trying to get the ball at all. But it definitely looked like a dive without those ones.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

Grealish gives the ball away a lot, doesn't track back, and was there to create the goal - we had the goal, may as well put another defensive player on. Pretty ruthless stuff by Southgate.

Not really been impressed by Grealish, he's very flash and gets fouled a lot, which is useful for a team with a decent set piece, but he seems less connected to the rest of the team and doesn't really create as much as his legend suggests. I'd rather Sancho than him tbh. It did mean England lost an "out" ball and had to defend deeper though.

Plim wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:57 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:37 am

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

Basically, the angles they first used showed absolutely nothing. The reverse angle (posted earlier in the thread) wasn't shown during the game until much after. That angle does show he gets fouled twice, by two players stepping across him and not trying to get the ball at all. But it definitely looked like a dive without those ones.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

Grealish gives the ball away a lot, doesn't track back, and was there to create the goal - we had the goal, may as well put another defensive player on. Pretty ruthless stuff by Southgate.

Not really been impressed by Grealish, he's very flash and gets fouled a lot, which is useful for a team with a decent set piece, but he seems less connected to the rest of the team and doesn't really create as much as his legend suggests. I'd rather Sancho than him tbh. It did mean England lost an "out" ball and had to defend deeper though.

Some of the more hysterical praise for Grealish is overdone. But his close control and balance are superb. He holds the ball better than anyone else in the England team and generally makes important yards close to the other side’s 18 yard box. Sterling, good as he is, is the one who gets dispossessed more often when he tries to take the ball forward.

Plim wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:57 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:37 am

Openside wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:29 am

Why was it a bogus penalty? Fouled in the box equals penalty even if heading away from goal…It seemed to me(not a regular watcher) that his leg was clipped by the first person and then body checked by the second… VAR checked it too.

Basically, the angles they first used showed absolutely nothing. The reverse angle (posted earlier in the thread) wasn't shown during the game until much after. That angle does show he gets fouled twice, by two players stepping across him and not trying to get the ball at all. But it definitely looked like a dive without those ones.

I was more interested in Grealish, to bring him on and then off again was odd, does he not take penalties or had they realised he was shite??

Grealish gives the ball away a lot, doesn't track back, and was there to create the goal - we had the goal, may as well put another defensive player on. Pretty ruthless stuff by Southgate.

Not really been impressed by Grealish, he's very flash and gets fouled a lot, which is useful for a team with a decent set piece, but he seems less connected to the rest of the team and doesn't really create as much as his legend suggests. I'd rather Sancho than him tbh. It did mean England lost an "out" ball and had to defend deeper though.

Some of the more hysterical praise for Grealish is overdone. But his close control and balance are superb. He holds the ball better than anyone else in the England team and generally makes important yards close to the other side’s 18 yard box. Sterling, good as he is, is the one who gets dispossessed more often when he tries to take the ball forward.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:48 am

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am Kane does that, it's part of what makes him a top class player when he's on form - he's a very good creative player when he drops back like that. But he's just a bit slow at the moment.

Must admit the punditry and commentary over goals and shots always makes me laugh. Any kind of finish is a "great" finish no matter where it goes. Kane whacking one at the keeper and it going in off his chest - a great finish! Kane heading it at the keeper but it going through his legs rather than anywhere not near the keeper - a great finish. Sterling whacking one straight at the keeper - a great save.

Ah well.

Kane is having the same problems as Wayne Rooney. He's England's most creative player and best passer as well as the finisher. No point in him being in the box without service. His pass to Saka for the first goal has to be considered as pass of the tournament.

Not sure I agree with that. Sterling and Saka are more creative players. Kane can be very good like that, but he hasn't been in this tournament. And Foden's passing when he came on was light years ahead of the rest.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:48 am

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:40 am

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:56 am Kane does that, it's part of what makes him a top class player when he's on form - he's a very good creative player when he drops back like that. But he's just a bit slow at the moment.

Must admit the punditry and commentary over goals and shots always makes me laugh. Any kind of finish is a "great" finish no matter where it goes. Kane whacking one at the keeper and it going in off his chest - a great finish! Kane heading it at the keeper but it going through his legs rather than anywhere not near the keeper - a great finish. Sterling whacking one straight at the keeper - a great save.

Ah well.

Kane is having the same problems as Wayne Rooney. He's England's most creative player and best passer as well as the finisher. No point in him being in the box without service. His pass to Saka for the first goal has to be considered as pass of the tournament.

Not sure I agree with that. Sterling and Saka are more creative players. Kane can be very good like that, but he hasn't been in this tournament. And Foden's passing when he came on was light years ahead of the rest.

Hal Jordan wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:54 pm
But the ball retention in the last two minutes of extra time was something I haven't seen from an England team in years. Calm, collected and precise as opposed to the red faced 100 mph pashun of yore.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:58 pmDon't agree about Sterling - just look at the assist numbers. Saka is still young but all I know is Saka isn't playing the pass Kane did before the goal and de Bruyne-esk cross to Sterling in the first half. Creativity is debatable I guess but their passing isn't Kane is the best of the three. Foden is mustard but he's more short sharp quick passes and the squad isn't built for that.

I think Kane is underrated by England fans. You have one of the best strikers in the world and he just seems a bit unloved. Top goals and assets in the league in the same season is bananas.

sorCrer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 pm So a laser was pointed at Schmeichel's face when Kane took the penalty. wankers.

tc27 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:49 pm

sorCrer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:28 pm So a laser was pointed at Schmeichel's face when Kane took the penalty. wankers.

Hopefully the culprits can be identified with CCTV worth criminal charges and a lifetime ban to follow.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:42 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:58 pmDon't agree about Sterling - just look at the assist numbers. Saka is still young but all I know is Saka isn't playing the pass Kane did before the goal and de Bruyne-esk cross to Sterling in the first half. Creativity is debatable I guess but their passing isn't Kane is the best of the three. Foden is mustard but he's more short sharp quick passes and the squad isn't built for that.

I think Kane is underrated by England fans. You have one of the best strikers in the world and he just seems a bit unloved. Top goals and assets in the league in the same season is bananas.

Are you talking club football or this tournament here? Kane's been amazing for Spurs. He stank the place out for 2/3rds of England's run in this tournament. Sterling's the other way round, had a poor season for City but has come good here, scoring goals, providing a goal for Kane, lots of key passes & opportunities for Shaw to get clear. Saka's been creating chances by attacking players.

Kane has zero assists for the tournament. Saka and Sterling both have one, Shaw has 3 and has been dovetailing with Sterling whose creativity has been the key down the left. I don't remember the de Bruyne-esque cross - I do remember Kane whacking the ball into a defender and it bobbling to Sterling who hit it at the keeper, if that's what you mean!

Foden was releasing runners on the right side with gorgeous passes, and playing down the flanks like that is exactly how this England team operates...

Harry Kane the Spurs player and Harry Kane the Euro 2020 player are two different animals.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:06 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:42 pm

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:58 pmDon't agree about Sterling - just look at the assist numbers. Saka is still young but all I know is Saka isn't playing the pass Kane did before the goal and de Bruyne-esk cross to Sterling in the first half. Creativity is debatable I guess but their passing isn't Kane is the best of the three. Foden is mustard but he's more short sharp quick passes and the squad isn't built for that.

I think Kane is underrated by England fans. You have one of the best strikers in the world and he just seems a bit unloved. Top goals and assets in the league in the same season is bananas.

Are you talking club football or this tournament here? Kane's been amazing for Spurs. He stank the place out for 2/3rds of England's run in this tournament. Sterling's the other way round, had a poor season for City but has come good here, scoring goals, providing a goal for Kane, lots of key passes & opportunities for Shaw to get clear. Saka's been creating chances by attacking players.

Kane has zero assists for the tournament. Saka and Sterling both have one, Shaw has 3 and has been dovetailing with Sterling whose creativity has been the key down the left. I don't remember the de Bruyne-esque cross - I do remember Kane whacking the ball into a defender and it bobbling to Sterling who hit it at the keeper, if that's what you mean!

Foden was releasing runners on the right side with gorgeous passes, and playing down the flanks like that is exactly how this England team operates...

Harry Kane the Spurs player and Harry Kane the Euro 2020 player are two different animals.

Foden was so poor in the opening games he was dropped tbf. And what's a striker supposed to do with no service? That's why Kane is so good because he makes it happen himself. No other English player is playing the pass like his to Saka - better than the actual assist - and the ball to Sterling. Oh and he's scored 4 goals too.

Kane is elite and underappreciated. You guys have a world world class player and don't give him the credit he's due. Kane walks into every side on the planet - It's been a long time since any Englishman could do that.

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:06 pmFoden was so poor in the opening games he was dropped tbf. And what's a striker supposed to do with no service? That's why Kane is so good because he makes it happen himself. No other English player is playing the pass like his to Saka - better than the actual assist - and the ball to Sterling. Oh and he's scored 4 goals too.

Kane is elite and underappreciated. You guys have a world world class player and don't give him the credit he's due. Kane walks into every side on the planet - It's been a long time since any Englishman could do that.

Brazil wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:53 am

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:30 am

Point of order, but the Norwegians fucking hate the Danes, as well as the Swedes. Also the Normans were probably Norwegian. Otherwise an accurate assessment.

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:07 am

Brazil wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:53 am

Insane_Homer wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:30 am

Point of order, but the Norwegians fucking hate the Danes, as well as the Swedes. Also the Normans were probably Norwegian. Otherwise an accurate assessment.

Got that arseways. The Danes and Norwegians hate the Swedes. Sweden is the England of Scandinavia.

SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:28 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:07 am

Brazil wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:53 am

Point of order, but the Norwegians fucking hate the Danes, as well as the Swedes. Also the Normans were probably Norwegian. Otherwise an accurate assessment.

Got that arseways. The Danes and Norwegians hate the Swedes. Sweden is the England of Scandinavia.

........with far better looking women!!

SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:28 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:07 am

Brazil wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:53 am

Point of order, but the Norwegians fucking hate the Danes, as well as the Swedes. Also the Normans were probably Norwegian. Otherwise an accurate assessment.

Got that arseways. The Danes and Norwegians hate the Swedes. Sweden is the England of Scandinavia.

........with far better looking women!!

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:21 am

I like neeps wrote: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:06 pmFoden was so poor in the opening games he was dropped tbf. And what's a striker supposed to do with no service? That's why Kane is so good because he makes it happen himself. No other English player is playing the pass like his to Saka - better than the actual assist - and the ball to Sterling. Oh and he's scored 4 goals too.

Kane is elite and underappreciated. You guys have a world world class player and don't give him the credit he's due. Kane walks into every side on the planet - It's been a long time since any Englishman could do that.

Foden was rotated like everyone else has been.

Kane hasn't had the service? Kane was practically immobile for the first 4 matches. You can't provide service to a striker who doesn't bother making runs, doesn't bother jumping for headers, doesn't get out of a mild jog - and that's what Kane was like for the majority of the tournament. I lost count of the number of times a dangerous ball was put in but he was second best to it because he was so slow and lumbering. He's scored four goals, yes - one from a dreadful missed pen, two hit at the keeper and in, one a good header. All served to him on a plate by other players, so the service clearly isn't that bad.

He's nowhere near his best form.

On those passes: For the Saka one, Foden was putting those balls through for runners on a regular basis, and you're over-egging how good it was. I agree he's our best passing striker, but all of Mount/Foden/Sancho/Stirling can play that pass. Still not sure which ball to Sterling you're talking about, would be good to know!

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:18 pm

SaintK wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:28 pm

Uncle fester wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:07 am

Got that arseways. The Danes and Norwegians hate the Swedes. Sweden is the England of Scandinavia.

........with far better looking women!!

They are a bit overrated really. Plenty of sturdy heifers wandering around Stockholm.

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:34 pmIf he's rotated I expect Foden to start the final then, the biggest game of the year.

The ball to Sterling was first half around 20 minutes in. Beautiful.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:34 pm

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:34 pmIf he's rotated I expect Foden to start the final then, the biggest game of the year.

The ball to Sterling was first half around 20 minutes in. Beautiful.

I don't expect Foden to start. Every attacking player has had good game time and there was plenty of rotation early on, but he looks to have settled on Sterling and Saka as his starting choices now, unless he feels he doesn't need Saka's defensive solidity. "Rotated" doesn't mean "guaranteed to start the final", that's an odd call.

Not seeing a ball to Sterling from Kane - watched from 15 mins to the goal at 30 mins. Kane barely had a touch during that period. Do you remember what came of it? I've also looked here: https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/ - you can use the chalkboard to narrow it down to just Kane's successful passes [edit: and his unsuccessful ones don't show any during that time either]. He doesn't make one after 13 minutes into the game until it's time to kick off from the goal.

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:42 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:34 pm

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:34 pmIf he's rotated I expect Foden to start the final then, the biggest game of the year.

The ball to Sterling was first half around 20 minutes in. Beautiful.

I don't expect Foden to start. Every attacking player has had good game time and there was plenty of rotation early on, but he looks to have settled on Sterling and Saka as his starting choices now, unless he feels he doesn't need Saka's defensive solidity. "Rotated" doesn't mean "guaranteed to start the final", that's an odd call.

Not seeing a ball to Sterling from Kane - watched from 15 mins to the goal at 30 mins. Kane barely had a touch during that period. Do you remember what came of it? I've also looked here: https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/ - you can use the chalkboard to narrow it down to just Kane's successful passes [edit: and his unsuccessful ones don't show any during that time either]. He doesn't make one after 13 minutes into the game until it's time to kick off from the goal.

The team starting the final will be more or less the same team that started the first game without Mings as Maguire is back and Foden as he was dropped.

https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/

The pass on the like you can see, it's unsuccessful looks like a cross.

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:13 pm

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:42 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:34 pm

I don't expect Foden to start. Every attacking player has had good game time and there was plenty of rotation early on, but he looks to have settled on Sterling and Saka as his starting choices now, unless he feels he doesn't need Saka's defensive solidity. "Rotated" doesn't mean "guaranteed to start the final", that's an odd call.

Not seeing a ball to Sterling from Kane - watched from 15 mins to the goal at 30 mins. Kane barely had a touch during that period. Do you remember what came of it? I've also looked here: https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/ - you can use the chalkboard to narrow it down to just Kane's successful passes [edit: and his unsuccessful ones don't show any during that time either]. He doesn't make one after 13 minutes into the game until it's time to kick off from the goal.

The team starting the final will be more or less the same team that started the first game without Mings as Maguire is back and Foden as he was dropped.

https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/

The pass on the like you can see, it's unsuccessful looks like a cross.

The one after 5 minutes? It's a good low cross across the box, yeah. But nothing out of the ordinary for a top quality attacking footballer, and any of the England attackers are capable of that cross. Some of them even find the target! :)

England have mixed and matched their attacking choices quite a bit. Grealish has started, Sancho has started, Foden has started, Saka has started. Saka has come out ahead but even then Sancho got picked for the Ukraine game.

I like neeps wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:41 am

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 5:13 pm

I like neeps wrote: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:42 pm

The team starting the final will be more or less the same team that started the first game without Mings as Maguire is back and Foden as he was dropped.

https://en.as.com/resultados/futbol/eur ... adisticas/

The pass on the like you can see, it's unsuccessful looks like a cross.

The one after 5 minutes? It's a good low cross across the box, yeah. But nothing out of the ordinary for a top quality attacking footballer, and any of the England attackers are capable of that cross. Some of them even find the target! :)

England have mixed and matched their attacking choices quite a bit. Grealish has started, Sancho has started, Foden has started, Saka has started. Saka has come out ahead but even then Sancho got picked for the Ukraine game.

It was exactly the type of ball that got Kane top assists in the PL and why he's one of the best players in the world.

sturginho wrote: Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:59 pm Scotland remaining neutral.....