Re: European Rugby Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:00 pm
Glasgow scrum has been good, even before Brace realised it
Getting close now.
Get the impression Exeter's ability to brutalise sides is on the wane.
Definitely a well deserved winTichtheid wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:18 pm Glasgow have been the better side in every department tonight
Honestly don’t know why anyone is surprised by this at the moment. They are 2 good teams packed with good players and shouldn’t fear anyoneBiffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:22 pm Very good win from Glasgow. Add that to Edinburgh well deserved win over Saracens last week and the Scottish sides look pretty good.
I’m not, but I’m sure some of the English rugby media will be looking for excuses.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:29 pmHonestly don’t know why anyone is surprised by this at the moment. They are 2 good teams packed with good players and shouldn’t fear anyoneBiffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:22 pm Very good win from Glasgow. Add that to Edinburgh well deserved win over Saracens last week and the Scottish sides look pretty good.
Sorry, not directed at you at all. There is no doubt the GP is a great competition but I do sometimes think the quality is vastly overrated and on any given year the top 5 or 6 Pro14 (whatever) would do just fine and get underestimatedBiffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:35 pmI’m not, but I’m sure some of the English rugby media will be looking for excuses.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:29 pmHonestly don’t know why anyone is surprised by this at the moment. They are 2 good teams packed with good players and shouldn’t fear anyoneBiffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:22 pm Very good win from Glasgow. Add that to Edinburgh well deserved win over Saracens last week and the Scottish sides look pretty good.
The competitiveness of the Prem and it's overall standard of play are definitely two things that shouldn't be conflated.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:15 pmSorry, not directed at you at all. There is no doubt the GP is a great competition but I do sometimes think the quality is vastly overrated and on any given year the top 5 or 6 Pro14 (whatever) would do just fine and get underestimated
Pardon?Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:24 pm The report in The Times about the Glasgow game is very amusing. Alasdair Reid makes no bones about the fact he saw very little and most of his reporting is based in heresy and crown noise
Potentially within a score of winning!sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:49 pm Munster need to take a hard look at themselves. This Castres team are shit and have been taking the piss all night barely putting in the effort, but Munster still let them in LBP range.
What could they have achieved if they actually tried?Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:50 pmPotentially within a score of winning!sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:49 pm Munster need to take a hard look at themselves. This Castres team are shit and have been taking the piss all night barely putting in the effort, but Munster still let them in LBP range.
Hence my comment previously. Castres have always made it clear that they don't have the budget for Europe and T14. That said, I did say in the Quins game that they have a habit of being cussed even when not trying to win.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:53 pmWhat could they have achieved if they actually tried?Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:50 pmPotentially within a score of winning!sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:49 pm Munster need to take a hard look at themselves. This Castres team are shit and have been taking the piss all night barely putting in the effort, but Munster still let them in LBP range.
Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:55 pmHence my comment previously. Castres have always made it clear that they don't have the budget for Europe and T14. That said, I did say in the Quins game that they have a habit of being cussed even when not trying to win.sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:53 pmWhat could they have achieved if they actually tried?
Exeter are fifth in the league and have lost 40% of their matches in the league this season. They have a dreadful scrum, the worst starting scrum half in the league, a 97 year old empty shirt at 12, no openside, and their 10 can't find any form.Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:35 pmI’m not, but I’m sure some of the English rugby media will be looking for excuses.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:29 pmHonestly don’t know why anyone is surprised by this at the moment. They are 2 good teams packed with good players and shouldn’t fear anyoneBiffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:22 pm Very good win from Glasgow. Add that to Edinburgh well deserved win over Saracens last week and the Scottish sides look pretty good.
Is this a joke?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 pmExeter are fifth in the league and have lost 40% of their matches in the league this season. They have a dreadful scrum, the worst starting scrum half in the league, a 97 year old empty shirt at 12, no openside, and their 10 can't find any form.
They have some good players but some serious weaknesses, and have been (rightly) depowered by the latching law changes. Right now they are incredibly reliant on their big names doing something special.
Not sure why anyone would be looking for excuses.
No. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:52 pmIs this a joke?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 pmExeter are fifth in the league and have lost 40% of their matches in the league this season. They have a dreadful scrum, the worst starting scrum half in the league, a 97 year old empty shirt at 12, no openside, and their 10 can't find any form.Biffer wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:35 pm
I’m not, but I’m sure some of the English rugby media will be looking for excuses.
They have some good players but some serious weaknesses, and have been (rightly) depowered by the latching law changes. Right now they are incredibly reliant on their big names doing something special.
Not sure why anyone would be looking for excuses.
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 pmNo. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:52 pmIs this a joke?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 pm
Exeter are fifth in the league and have lost 40% of their matches in the league this season. They have a dreadful scrum, the worst starting scrum half in the league, a 97 year old empty shirt at 12, no openside, and their 10 can't find any form.
They have some good players but some serious weaknesses, and have been (rightly) depowered by the latching law changes. Right now they are incredibly reliant on their big names doing something special.
Not sure why anyone would be looking for excuses.
Sometimes I feel like you guys are a little too keen to invent something to be unhappy about!
Going back a few years here.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:34 pmJM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 pmNo. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.
Sometimes I feel like you guys are a little too keen to invent something to be unhappy about!
Glasgow have been a bit pish by their own standards, too. Played 7, won 4 lost 3 in the league.
We're just used to English clubs changing rules when they feel they can't qualify by merit and all sorts, and their media bleating on and on.
JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:37 pmGoing back a few years here.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:34 pmJM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 pm
No. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.
Sometimes I feel like you guys are a little too keen to invent something to be unhappy about!
Glasgow have been a bit pish by their own standards, too. Played 7, won 4 lost 3 in the league.
We're just used to English clubs changing rules when they feel they can't qualify by merit and all sorts, and their media bleating on and on.
Bit of a shame you can't just enjoy a decent win without worrying about some hypothetical English media nonsense, mind!
Was more the royal "you" really!Tichtheid wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:40 pmJM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:37 pmGoing back a few years here.Tichtheid wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:34 pm
Glasgow have been a bit pish by their own standards, too. Played 7, won 4 lost 3 in the league.
We're just used to English clubs changing rules when they feel they can't qualify by merit and all sorts, and their media bleating on and on.
Bit of a shame you can't just enjoy a decent win without worrying about some hypothetical English media nonsense, mind!
oh come on, I was just have a wee bit of fun there.
I actually don't give a monkey's beyond the teams I support doing well.
I like seeing your team Quins doing well because of how they play, I've been a champion of Marcus Smith since his debut.
You reply defensively to a post about making excuses by listing a load of excuses then finish by asking why anyone would make excuses.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 pmNo. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.Slick wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:52 pmIs this a joke?JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:24 pm
Exeter are fifth in the league and have lost 40% of their matches in the league this season. They have a dreadful scrum, the worst starting scrum half in the league, a 97 year old empty shirt at 12, no openside, and their 10 can't find any form.
They have some good players but some serious weaknesses, and have been (rightly) depowered by the latching law changes. Right now they are incredibly reliant on their big names doing something special.
Not sure why anyone would be looking for excuses.
Sometimes I feel like you guys are a little too keen to invent something to be unhappy about!
Yeah, the response to a 'cue the excuses' post was to immediately roll the excuses out.Slick wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:14 amYou reply defensively to a post about making excuses by listing a load of excuses then finish by asking why anyone would make excuses.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 11:26 pmNo. It's not a shock defeat - Exeter aren't that good this season and Glasgow are a better team. You still have to beat what's in front of you and the conditions certainly suited Exeter more than Glasgow, but I'm not sure *why* the media would be looking for excuses as to why a middling team lost away from home to a good side.
Sometimes I feel like you guys are a little too keen to invent something to be unhappy about!
That’s why I thought it might be a joke. Should have known better
Without taking into context Glasgows average form. If you want context you can’t ignore a bit of it.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Dec 19, 2021 9:28 am Or it was someone providing context around Exeter's current form and why an away loss to Glasgow wouldn't spur rugby writers to expend energy making it out to be anything other than it was - a significant defeat at the hands of a team who outperformed them.