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Honestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
Surely this week or the 3/4 playoff will be his last for England?Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
It was an appalling selection to parachute Billy into the world cup squad to begin with, let alone persist with him after fuck up after fuck up.Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Have two players ever gone to shit as quick as Genge and Sinkler, pretty sure England would have won that if the others had stayed on.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
Who knows with Borthwick, but you'd think so.Big D wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:04 pmSurely this week or the 3/4 playoff will be his last for England?Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
No idea why they were hauled off. Should've been left on until they couldn't move. Called it at half time, presumably along with anyone who knows anything about rugby, that when our replacement props came on the scrum would turn and SA would win off the back of it.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
Bit of a problem with English rugby is both of those players have gone to a club where they aren't being pushed. Since leaving Quins and Tigers both have gone to shit.Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
He wandered n looking a fat fuck, then stood still as SA went over for the try, appalling stuff in a WC semiMargin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Yep. I just don't know what you're expecting from 2023 Billy off the bench in a huge game.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:05 pmIt was an appalling selection to parachute Billy into the world cup squad to begin with, let alone persist with him after fuck up after fuck up.Margin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Absolutely
Why you didn't start him is a mystery.
My mum could prop against Sinkler these days.
Got to think if it is pissing down like that the All Blacks will win.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:58 pm Of course it ends with the useless fat fuck Billy dropping it. What an absolute horror show of a world cup squad selection he's proven to be.
Extremely funny game. Best of luck in the final, South Africa - you were extremely and comically shite today and it made for a very entertaining "contest". Nice to see scrums win a match. Rassie was exposed a fair bit today, SA's approach was mental and had they lost no one could've complained. It's almost as if they had no idea what sort of England team they would be facing.
Good reverse angle of the final scrum penalty there - Genge definitely crumples then angles in. Far more annoyed by Fourie being allowed to get up again for the try, but when you are a team that refuses to use the ball there can be no complaints when you lose a game you've dominated but not put to bed.
Anyway, we did much better than France and can stand proud as the best of the NH again, so that's that.
Should be a fun final.
We'll get to see if we're being too harsh on scabnose when he announces next years 6N squad, because if he doesn't do a massive clearout immediately, he's out of his depth.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:07 pmHe wandered n looking a fat fuck, then stood still as SA went over for the try, appalling stuff in a WC semiMargin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pmHonestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.ASMO wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:01 pm Genge and Sinkler just shite scrummagers, should have kept Marler and Dank Hole on.
Mind you lets not forget the 6 points given away by brainless Farrell and Manu
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Wouldn't find me retiring with those match fees.fishfoodie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:15 pmWe'll get to see if we're being too harsh on scabnose when he announces next years 6N squad, because if he doesn't do a massive clearout immediately, he's out of his depth.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:07 pmHe wandered n looking a fat fuck, then stood still as SA went over for the try, appalling stuff in a WC semiMargin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pm
Honestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Of course a lot of players will probably do him a favour, & retire immediately from international duty, & so Youngs won't get another fifty caps
England were awful, its just that SA were worse, amazingly enough.
With all due respect, while our approach was incredibly negative, you're barking if you can't acknowledge that it was at least executed extremely well for a long time, and that the England pack gave the mighty SA pack a bit of a hiding for 50-odd minutes
I’ve said a few times that the England team just doesn’t seem to have changed for years and it’s the same old names, but the new 2nd row was great, Chessum has probably been the best England player for the last 6 months and they have 2 or 3 young backs that are superb that they won’t play.fishfoodie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:15 pmWe'll get to see if we're being too harsh on scabnose when he announces next years 6N squad, because if he doesn't do a massive clearout immediately, he's out of his depth.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:07 pmHe wandered n looking a fat fuck, then stood still as SA went over for the try, appalling stuff in a WC semiMargin__Walker wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:03 pm
Honestly not sure what Sinckler's there for anymore.
At least Genge is decent in the loose.
Billy was the really poor selection though. Just a shadow of his former self and Ludlum would have offered a lot more off the bench.
Of course a lot of players will probably do him a favour, & retire immediately from international duty, & so Youngs won't get another fifty caps
England played the conditions better, but overall the bench quality was the difference + Farrell being a petulant little cunt and giving away 3 cheap pointsJM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:20 pmWith all due respect, while our approach was incredibly negative, you're barking if you can't acknowledge that it was at least executed extremely well for a long time, and that the England pack gave the mighty SA pack a bit of a hiding for 50-odd minutes
That’s a shit take. It was a limited game plan, and they didn’t execute it as well as they could, but they were great.
Martin started this game not Chessum. Though they are pretty similar in playing style one wears a scrum cap and the other is ginger. There is a younger equally large sized Chessum who looks decent. Itoje has also recovered some form.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:21 pmI’ve said a few times that the England team just doesn’t seem to have changed for years and it’s the same old names, but the new 2nd row was great, Chessum has probably been the best England player for the last 6 months and they have 2 or 3 young backs that are superb that they won’t play.fishfoodie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:15 pmWe'll get to see if we're being too harsh on scabnose when he announces next years 6N squad, because if he doesn't do a massive clearout immediately, he's out of his depth.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:07 pm
He wandered n looking a fat fuck, then stood still as SA went over for the try, appalling stuff in a WC semi
Of course a lot of players will probably do him a favour, & retire immediately from international duty, & so Youngs won't get another fifty caps
Agreed, although I worry (for you guys) that the apparently rigid gameplan puts blinkers on. Earlier in the second half there was a massive overlap and then a forward hit it up.and farrell chipped through. Although their winger made an arse of it, the overlap was there before.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:20 pmWith all due respect, while our approach was incredibly negative, you're barking if you can't acknowledge that it was at least executed extremely well for a long time, and that the England pack gave the mighty SA pack a bit of a hiding for 50-odd minutes
Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:24 pmThat’s a shit take. It was a limited game plan, and they didn’t execute it as well as they could, but they were great.
And it was a semi final so you probably don’t understand.
I also hate you for making me defend England
Yeah, I know, Martin (who’s name I couldn’t remember) was brilliant, but Chessum has been very good for a few monthspetej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:26 pmMartin started this game not Chessum. Though they are pretty similar in playing style one wears a scrum cap and the other is ginger. There is a younger equally large sized Chessum who looks decent. Itoje has also recovered some form.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:21 pmI’ve said a few times that the England team just doesn’t seem to have changed for years and it’s the same old names, but the new 2nd row was great, Chessum has probably been the best England player for the last 6 months and they have 2 or 3 young backs that are superb that they won’t play.fishfoodie wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:15 pm
We'll get to see if we're being too harsh on scabnose when he announces next years 6N squad, because if he doesn't do a massive clearout immediately, he's out of his depth.
Of course a lot of players will probably do him a favour, & retire immediately from international duty, & so Youngs won't get another fifty caps
Tigers are pretty well covered for future locks with Martin, Chessum and Chessum (the younger). I agree Chessum (the older) has been good.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:28 pmYeah, I know, Martin (who’s name I couldn’t remember) was brilliant, but Chessum has been very good for a few monthspetej wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:26 pmMartin started this game not Chessum. Though they are pretty similar in playing style one wears a scrum cap and the other is ginger. There is a younger equally large sized Chessum who looks decent. Itoje has also recovered some form.Slick wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:21 pm
I’ve said a few times that the England team just doesn’t seem to have changed for years and it’s the same old names, but the new 2nd row was great, Chessum has probably been the best England player for the last 6 months and they have 2 or 3 young backs that are superb that they won’t play.
If Rasnaber doesn’t start him, they’re idiots.
Yes, I completely agree. It's a big reason why we lost. We were so committed to the territory game plan we abandoned any chance of using the ball any other way.Big D wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:28 pmAgreed, although I worry (for you guys) that the apparently rigid gameplan puts blinkers on. Earlier in the second half there was a massive overlap and then a forward hit it up.and farrell chipped through. Although their winger made an arse of it, the overlap was there before.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:20 pmWith all due respect, while our approach was incredibly negative, you're barking if you can't acknowledge that it was at least executed extremely well for a long time, and that the England pack gave the mighty SA pack a bit of a hiding for 50-odd minutesPornDog wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:19 pm
England were awful, its just that SA were worse, amazingly enough.
Yup, there were definite glimpses that a decent England team are comingJM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:33 pmYes, I completely agree. It's a big reason why we lost. We were so committed to the territory game plan we abandoned any chance of using the ball any other way.Big D wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:28 pmAgreed, although I worry (for you guys) that the apparently rigid gameplan puts blinkers on. Earlier in the second half there was a massive overlap and then a forward hit it up.and farrell chipped through. Although their winger made an arse of it, the overlap was there before.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:20 pm
With all due respect, while our approach was incredibly negative, you're barking if you can't acknowledge that it was at least executed extremely well for a long time, and that the England pack gave the mighty SA pack a bit of a hiding for 50-odd minutes
When Ford and Lawrence were on right at the end chasing the game, we had a brief glimpse into a world where England dare to use the ball, and it looked good.