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Poor Plim.

Historical titbit - Eden’s wife Clarissa lived until November 2021.

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:17 am

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:43 am

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:16 am
If that's the sum total of what you think Anthony Eden was I'd suggest you pick up a history book. A giant of a man who ought to have become PM earlier and was left in an unfortunate situation.

Well if it's okay to say Iraq == Blair, Why not describe Eden with the same logic ?

The idea that he was a preening Etonian of the Boris school with no care for the country or it's people, or that he had had a gilded life with no trouble is just laughable. The man lost two brothers in the First World War, fought with distinction himself (and never carped about it), was a politician of serious substance between the wars and was an excellent foreign secretary during the Second World War. Hardly the career of a man to be described as a 'preening, privileged failure'.

His misjudgments over Suez were more to do with his personal antipathy to, and paranoia about, Nasser, and the large amounts of amphetamines he was taking following a series of botched operations, than his privileged educational background.

GogLais wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:37 am Historical titbit - Eden’s wife Clarissa lived until November 2021.

Further titbit - Edens nephew attended my wedding…




Cue Yeeb Which one?

Lobby wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:11 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:17 am

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:43 am

Well if it's okay to say Iraq == Blair, Why not describe Eden with the same logic ?

The idea that he was a preening Etonian of the Boris school with no care for the country or it's people, or that he had had a gilded life with no trouble is just laughable. The man lost two brothers in the First World War, fought with distinction himself (and never carped about it), was a politician of serious substance between the wars and was an excellent foreign secretary during the Second World War. Hardly the career of a man to be described as a 'preening, privileged failure'.

His misjudgments over Suez were more to do with his personal antipathy to, and paranoia about, Nasser, and the large amounts of amphetamines he was taking following a series of botched operations, than his privileged educational background.

Haunted by the ghosts of the past - IIRC he had a quote about always being a step behind the dictators or something. He saw Nasser as another Mussolini and felt he had to be stopped in his tracks. Easy to see why he'd think that given the times he'd lived through.

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:34 am

GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:24 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:34 am

GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

The full judgement is interesting. As you say GLP’s claim was dismissed completely:

The collective effect of the conclusions set out during this judgment is that the claim brought by Good Law Project fails in its entirety. The claim by the Runnymede Trust fails on Grounds 1 and 3; it succeeds on Ground 2 only to the extent that the decisions on the process to be used when appointing to the positions of Interim Chair of NIHP in August 2020, and Director of Testing at NHSTT in September 2020 were made without compliance with the public sector equality duty.

Also, GLP and the Runnymede Trust asked the Court for a declaration to the effect that “the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care acted unlawfully by failing to comply with the public sector equality duty in the process of making the appointments.”

This was rejected by the High Court, which instead agreed with the Government’s submission that the declaration should be that “the Secretary of State for Health and Social Care did not comply with the public sector equality duty in relation to the decisions how to appoint Baroness Harding in August 2020 and Mr Coupe in September 2020.”

Despite the High Court rejecting a declaration that Hancock acted unlawfully, that is what GLP is now claiming.

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:24 pm GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

Two judges ruled that Mr Hancock broke the law by appointing Baroness Harding as chair of the National Institute for Health Protection (NIHP) and Mr Coupe as director of testing at Test and Trace.

The High court declared that the ex-health secretary “did not comply with the public sector equality duty in relation to the decisions how to appoint” the two senior officials.

The judgement added: “There is no evidence from anyone saying exactly what was done to comply with the public sector equality duty when decisions were taken on how each appointment was to be made.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ord-faulks

No 10 pressured me to drop anti-money laundering measures, says ex-minister

UK ‘laughing stock’ for failure to stem dirty money, says Lord Faulks QC, who was told to drop register by Theresa May’s No 10

A former Conservative minister, once at the heart of efforts to clamp down on money laundering in London, has revealed that during Theresa May’s premiership, No 10 “leant on him” when he tabled amendments to introduce a public register of overseas property owners.

Lord Faulks said he had first tried to put the register into the criminal finances bill in 2017 and then again into a government bill on money laundering in 2018. He had described the overseas ownership of dirty money in London as an obscenity.

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:24 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:34 am

GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

This definitely deserves a

Plim fuming again.

Being serious for a second, Plim, you must be satisfied here on all counts? GLP was shown to be correct that the appointments were unlawful. GLP wasn't given standing which means they can't just bring cases willy-nilly in future.

So the Government gets held to account, and your number one issue of <checks notes> the GLP bringing cases against the Govt for political reasons seems to have been addressed here?

Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:10 pm

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:24 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:34 am

GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

This definitely deserves a

Presumably posting the beating a dead horse emoji (“bimbo”) is meant to mean ‘Plim is posting on the same subject yet again’ or ‘Plim is like bimbo’.

If the first, it’s a bit fucking rich to have a dig at someone who occasionally responds to the repetitive, same-old posts on this thread about the GLP’s ‘successes’.

As to the second, this thread is mostly full of the same posters frothing ceaselessly against the Tories. Bimbos of the left.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:12 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:10 pm

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:24 pm



GLP’s claim denied altogether for lack of standing. Rowntree’s claim fails on 2 of 3 grounds. Meaningless ‘victory’. Totally misleading tweet.

This definitely deserves a

Presumably posting the beating a dead horse emoji (“bimbo”) is meant to mean ‘Plim is posting on the same subject yet again’ or ‘Plim is like bimbo’.

If the first, it’s a bit fucking rich to have a dig at someone who occasionally responds to the repetitive, same-old posts on this thread about the GLP’s ‘successes’.

As to the second, this thread is mostly full of the same posters frothing ceaselessly against the Tories. Bimbos of the left.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Touched a nerve then?
Have never voted Labour in my life. But I loathe these entitled cunts currently in government led by the most repugnant, morally corrupt Prime Minister I have seern in my lifetime.

Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:26 pm

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:12 pm

Hal Jordan wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:10 pm

This definitely deserves a

Presumably posting the beating a dead horse emoji (“bimbo”) is meant to mean ‘Plim is posting on the same subject yet again’ or ‘Plim is like bimbo’.

If the first, it’s a bit fucking rich to have a dig at someone who occasionally responds to the repetitive, same-old posts on this thread about the GLP’s ‘successes’.

As to the second, this thread is mostly full of the same posters frothing ceaselessly against the Tories. Bimbos of the left.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Touched a nerve then?
Have never voted Labour in my life. But I loathe these entitled cunts currently in government led by the most repugnant, morally corrupt Prime Minister I have seern in my lifetime.

No. Why should a response from me mean that, any more than yours shows touchiness?

Who would you vote for then? I’m not aware of any other mainstream, possible parties of gov/coalition that could be described as anything other than left or centre-left. There’s nothing genuinely centrist about the Libs any more (and there was never anything particularly decent about them at any time).

I suppose the answer will be like the PR election thread when all the posters urging people not to vote Tory denied they wanted any of the others in gov either.

And if you think this gov is more corrupt than any other - which is not to say it’s not corrupt; it is - you’re just wrong.

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:26 pm

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:12 pm
Presumably posting the beating a dead horse emoji (“bimbo”) is meant to mean ‘Plim is posting on the same subject yet again’ or ‘Plim is like bimbo’.

If the first, it’s a bit fucking rich to have a dig at someone who occasionally responds to the repetitive, same-old posts on this thread about the GLP’s ‘successes’.

As to the second, this thread is mostly full of the same posters frothing ceaselessly against the Tories. Bimbos of the left.

Doctor, heal thyself.

Touched a nerve then?
Have never voted Labour in my life. But I loathe these entitled cunts currently in government led by the most repugnant, morally corrupt Prime Minister I have seern in my lifetime.

No. Why should a response from me mean that, any more than yours shows touchiness?

Who would you vote for then? I’m not aware of any other mainstream, possible parties of gov/coalition that could be described as anything other than left or centre-left. There’s nothing genuinely centrist about the Libs any more (and there was never anything particularly decent about them at any time).

I suppose the answer will be like the PR election thread when all the posters urging people not to vote Tory denied they wanted any of the others in gov either.

And if you think this gov is more corrupt than any other - which is not to say it’s not corrupt; it is - you’re just wrong.

Alas, I voted for the local Tory candidate when Cameron got in. He appeared not to be an archtypical "Tory Boy" but that turned out to be wrong!
I have voted "none of the above" the past two elections so I guess I get what I deserve. I will not be voting Tory again whilst Johnson or any of his acolytes are anywhere near the leadership of the Tory party

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:42 pm Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

Yep.

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:57 pm

Plim wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:43 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:26 pm
Touched a nerve then?
Have never voted Labour in my life. But I loathe these entitled cunts currently in government led by the most repugnant, morally corrupt Prime Minister I have seern in my lifetime.

No. Why should a response from me mean that, any more than yours shows touchiness?

Who would you vote for then? I’m not aware of any other mainstream, possible parties of gov/coalition that could be described as anything other than left or centre-left. There’s nothing genuinely centrist about the Libs any more (and there was never anything particularly decent about them at any time).

I suppose the answer will be like the PR election thread when all the posters urging people not to vote Tory denied they wanted any of the others in gov either.

And if you think this gov is more corrupt than any other - which is not to say it’s not corrupt; it is - you’re just wrong.

Alas, I voted for the local Tory candidate when Cameron got in. He appeared not to be an archtypical "Tory Boy" but that turned out to be wrong!
I have voted "none of the above" the past two elections so I guess I get what I deserve. I will not be voting Tory again whilst Johnson or any of his acolytes are anywhere near the leadership of the Tory party

Political observers are saying this this is the most corrupt government at least since the before the second world war.

Hopefully he might go the same way as his neighbouring MP in Chesham at the next election.

Constituents of Steve Baker MP who are concerned about his environmental position have set up a “Steve Baker Watch” group and are launching a crowdfunding page to raise money. The constituents in Baker’s constituency of High Wycombe in the rolling Chiltern Hills believe that Baker is trying to “wreck the government plans to improve the environment”.

Baker, who as chair of the European Research Group was instrumental in pressing for a hard Brexit, helped set up the Net Zero Scrutiny Group (NZSG), which has close links to the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a lobbyist group that has been accused of denying climate science.

Last week the Guardian reported on fears that the group was trying to derail the government’s green agenda, linking it to the cost-of-living crisis and leading to fears of a “culture war” campaign around net zero.

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:42 pm Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

Homeowners are benefitting on a large scale so that's a sizable number of people.

You do get raging ideologues too. There's probably very little the Tories could do that would upset the likes of Plim.

SaintK wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:14 pm Hopefully he might go the same way as his neighbouring MP in Chesham at the next election.

Constituents of Steve Baker MP who are concerned about his environmental position have set up a “Steve Baker Watch” group and are launching a crowdfunding page to raise money. The constituents in Baker’s constituency of High Wycombe in the rolling Chiltern Hills believe that Baker is trying to “wreck the government plans to improve the environment”.

Baker, who as chair of the European Research Group was instrumental in pressing for a hard Brexit, helped set up the Net Zero Scrutiny Group (NZSG), which has close links to the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a lobbyist group that has been accused of denying climate science.

Last week the Guardian reported on fears that the group was trying to derail the government’s green agenda, linking it to the cost-of-living crisis and leading to fears of a “culture war” campaign around net zero.

That’s an incredibly generous description of High Wycombe and it’s inhabitants

I like neeps wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:42 pm Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

Homeowners are benefitting on a large scale so that's a sizable number of people.

You do get raging ideologues too. There's probably very little the Tories could do that would upset the likes of Plim.

Far from it. I’m much more inclined to agree with critics of the Tories than many Labour friends of mine were to accept criticism of Blair, Brown, other senior Labour people and the party itself, for all the years of Labour government. For what it’s worth, I know plenty of otherwise sensible Labour supporters who even stuck up for Corbyn’s madhouse.

I can’t say I know any SNPers, but I doubt they take criticism well.

I don’t imagine it’ll be shared by others here on this thread, but in my experience the left tends to be more one-eyed about corruption and misdeeds by their own, than are Tories.

I consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

And as for local government, anyone who thinks any of the parties in control are anything less than venal and rotten, they really are deluded.

What I - occasionally - post about here is in response to what I think is contrived criticism.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pm

I like neeps wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:42 pm Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

Homeowners are benefitting on a large scale so that's a sizable number of people.

You do get raging ideologues too. There's probably very little the Tories could do that would upset the likes of Plim.

Far from it. I’m much more inclined to agree with critics of the Tories than many Labour friends of mine were to accept criticism of Blair, Brown, other senior Labour people and the party itself, for all the years of Labour government. For what it’s worth, I know plenty of otherwise sensible Labour supporters who even stuck up for Corbyn’s madhouse.

I can’t say I know any SNPers, but I doubt they take criticism well.

I don’t imagine it’ll be shared by others here on this thread, but in my experience the left tends to be more one-eyed about corruption and misdeeds by their own, than are Tories.

I consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

And as for local government, anyone who thinks any of the parties in control are anything less than venal and rotten, they really are deluded.

What I - occasionally - post about here is in response to what I think is contrived criticism.

I don't think you'll find many Labour supporters who would say Blair is an upstanding gentleman of moral virtue? He was obviously corrupt and loved cash for honours himself. I would imagine those PFIs he so favoured were rife for some corruption too.

The difference is he didn't have covid and so was unable to suspend public procurement rules to the benefit mostly associates of his mates. Also, Blair didn't try and undo lobbying rules for his friends. Also there was no former Labour PM as a lobbyist of an essentially fraudulent financing business that got all over our industries.

Slick wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:14 pm

SaintK wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:14 pm Hopefully he might go the same way as his neighbouring MP in Chesham at the next election.

Constituents of Steve Baker MP who are concerned about his environmental position have set up a “Steve Baker Watch” group and are launching a crowdfunding page to raise money. The constituents in Baker’s constituency of High Wycombe in the rolling Chiltern Hills believe that Baker is trying to “wreck the government plans to improve the environment”.

Baker, who as chair of the European Research Group was instrumental in pressing for a hard Brexit, helped set up the Net Zero Scrutiny Group (NZSG), which has close links to the Global Warming Policy Foundation, a lobbyist group that has been accused of denying climate science.

Last week the Guardian reported on fears that the group was trying to derail the government’s green agenda, linking it to the cost-of-living crisis and leading to fears of a “culture war” campaign around net zero.

That’s an incredibly generous description of High Wycombe and it’s inhabitants

Same thought crossed my mind - the first thing that I think of when I hear 'High Wycombe' isn't 'rolling hills'

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

I like neeps wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 5:45 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:42 pm Anyone not frothing at the current Tory govt is either financially benefiting on a large scale, or a fucking idiot.

Homeowners are benefitting on a large scale so that's a sizable number of people.

You do get raging ideologues too. There's probably very little the Tories could do that would upset the likes of Plim.

Wait for the NI Increases and interest rate increases coupled with big inflation.
The energy increases are wild

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

Lol

I don't think you'll find many Labour supporters who would say Blair is an upstanding gentleman of moral virtue? He was obviously corrupt and loved cash for honours himself. I would imagine those PFIs he so favoured were rife for some corruption too.

The difference is he didn't have covid and so was unable to suspend public procurement rules to the benefit mostly associates of his mates. Also, Blair didn't try and undo lobbying rules for his friends. Also there was no former Labour PM as a lobbyist of an essentially fraudulent financing business that got all over our industries.

I doubt you’ll find many Tories who would say that Johnson is an upstanding gentleman of moral virtue. That was apparent when his acceptability among Tory members - let alone voters - plummeted during partygate. And is still v low.

All sorts of stuff happened under Blair. And anyone with a special distaste for politicians’ hypocrisy filled their boots in his time. But there’s not much point in trading scandals. Since coronavirus didn’t happen other than under Johnson it’s a bit hard to make any relative judgment. On the face of the GLP’s challenges, though, not a lot of covid corruption has been unearthed. That doesn’t make this gov a good one of course.

Where I’d agree is that parties in power for longer inevitably go smelly. Power corrupts and all that. On the basis that the Tory party has been in gov for much longer than Labour over the last hundred years, there is a bigger score sheet of Tory rogues and dodginess. It’s not baked in to any party, though, whatever posters here say.

My favourite scandal of all time is John Stonehouse. If you’re going to become a minister and then run off with your mistress, at least do it in style by faking your own death and fleeing to Aus.

I don’t mind admitting that I hold a special contempt for Jolyon’s fun and games.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

That’s just wilfully stupid. Anyone who thinks Blair’s administrations weren’t as dishonest as this one is a shill or a mug.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

That’s just wilfully stupid. Anyone who thinks Blair’s administrations weren’t as dishonest as this one is a shill or a mug.

Hmmmmm.

No

Edit - and I'm no fan of blair

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

That’s just wilfully stupid. Anyone who thinks Blair’s administrations weren’t as dishonest as this one is a shill or a mug.

Or not a diehard Tory who's desperately trying to convince themself that all politicians are as bad as each other.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:26 pm I don't think you'll find many Labour supporters who would say Blair is an upstanding gentleman of moral virtue? He was obviously corrupt and loved cash for honours himself. I would imagine those PFIs he so favoured were rife for some corruption too.

The difference is he didn't have covid and so was unable to suspend public procurement rules to the benefit mostly associates of his mates. Also, Blair didn't try and undo lobbying rules for his friends. Also there was no former Labour PM as a lobbyist of an essentially fraudulent financing business that got all over our industries.

I doubt you’ll find many Tories who would say that Johnson is an upstanding gentleman of moral virtue. That was apparent when his acceptability among Tory members - let alone voters - plummeted during partygate. And is still v low.

All sorts of stuff happened under Blair. And anyone with a special distaste for politicians’ hypocrisy filled their boots in his time. But there’s not much point in trading scandals. Since coronavirus didn’t happen other than under Johnson it’s a bit hard to make any relative judgment. On the face of the GLP’s challenges, though, not a lot of covid corruption has been unearthed. That doesn’t make this gov a good one of course.

Where I’d agree is that parties in power for longer inevitably go smelly. Power corrupts and all that. On the basis that the Tory party has been in gov for much longer than Labour over the last hundred years, there is a bigger score sheet of Tory rogues and dodginess. It’s not baked in to any party, though, whatever posters here say.

My favourite scandal of all time is John Stonehouse. If you’re going to become a minister and then run off with your mistress, at least do it in style by faking your own death and fleeing to Aus.

I don’t mind admitting that I hold a special contempt for Jolyon’s fun and games.

Absolutely barking.

Genuinely amazing.

There really are adults not at university who think their party political views make them morally superior. And who feel no embarrassment in declaring it publicly.

I must have stumbled into a convention of politically active Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:17 pm Genuinely amazing.

There really are adults not at university who think their party political views make them morally superior. And who feel no embarrassment in declaring it publicly.

I must have stumbled into a convention of politically active Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I would suggest you calling people who have never voted Labour and Thatcherites like HH* "Bimbos of the left" is at best infantile.
It's symptomatic of the right atm, Trumpists Boris supporters and their Cultist views.

Crass

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 6:51 pmI consistently say that I agree this government is shady, but I don’t believe it’s any more unprincipled than, say, Blair’s were, or Wilson’s.

Absolutely hatstand.

That’s just wilfully stupid. Anyone who thinks Blair’s administrations weren’t as dishonest as this one is a shill or a mug.

No mate, you're an absolute moron. You're so desperate to lick Tory boots you can't even tell when a Government has plumbed new depths of corruption, arrogance, and breathtaking stupidity, allied to a total disregard for the law. This is the most deliberately dishonest government in living memory.

There are plenty of conservative MPs and conservative voters who can recognise this bunch for what they are. It takes a special kind of muppet to pretend they're not the worst we've had for a very, very long time.

Like fuck me, can anyone point to Blair's version of Nadine Dorries? Grant "Michael Green" Shapps? Matt "found to have acted illegally in two cases brought by the GLP, flagrantly disregarded his own Covid laws / pub landlord contracts" Hancock? Dominic "suntan instead of dealing with Kabul / didn't realise how important Dover was to our trade" Raab? Jacob "Grenfell people died through lack of common sense" Rees-Mogg, the Victorian cosplayer? Priti "wave machines / let's prosecute people for saving lives / illegal accomodation for migrants / 'activist lawyers and judges'" Patel?

Boris Johnson, whose lies and various incompetences would fill an entire page on their own, who has been exposed repeatedly for the dismal charlatan he is?

It's almost impossible to keep up with the bullshit this government spews. They're led by a career liar and are stuffed full of people who are there for their loyalty to Brexit - based on nothing more than bluster and bullshit and a refusal to tell the truth - and their loyalty to whatever lie Boris has cooked up, regardless of competence, suitability for the role, or in many cases, the intelligence and willingness to do the fucking job properly. They have deeply damaged democracy in this country, and done so wilfully. They stoke the culture war and 'flood the zone with shit' to an extreme level, in order to cling on to power and enrich themselves and their donors.

Comparisons to the Blair government, or even the (shitty) Tory governments preceding this one, are absolutely fucking idiotic.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:17 pm Genuinely amazing.

There really are adults not at university who think their party political views make them morally superior. And who feel no embarrassment in declaring it publicly.

I must have stumbled into a convention of politically active Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I find it genuinely amazing that there are so many people so deeply ingrained in the class system that they don’t actually realise that they’re capdoffing lickspittles to the rich and privileged. I can’t believe any one buys into this idea that they have any interest in making things better for anyone other than themselves.

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:17 pm Genuinely amazing.

There really are adults not at university who think their party political views make them morally superior. And who feel no embarrassment in declaring it publicly.

I must have stumbled into a convention of politically active Jehovah’s Witnesses.

You're either on the troll or a cunt. I can't decide which.

You're the only one to bring morality into this as far as I can see.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:57 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:31 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 7:48 pm

Absolutely hatstand.

That’s just wilfully stupid. Anyone who thinks Blair’s administrations weren’t as dishonest as this one is a shill or a mug.

No mate, you're an absolute moron. You're so desperate to lick Tory boots you can't even tell when a Government has plumbed new depths of corruption, arrogance, and breathtaking stupidity, allied to a total disregard for the law. This is the most deliberately dishonest government in living memory.

There are plenty of conservative MPs and conservative voters who can recognise this bunch for what they are. It takes a special kind of muppet to pretend they're not the worst we've had for a very, very long time.

As it happens I think Johnson should have resigned over his loathsome accusation about Starmer and Savile, instead of ‘doing a Tom Watson’.

But have it your way.

Still, nice to think that even a moron is a better judge of the laughable GLP and its absurd claims than the peculiar ranters on here.

C69 wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:54 pm

Plim wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:17 pm Genuinely amazing.

There really are adults not at university who think their party political views make them morally superior. And who feel no embarrassment in declaring it publicly.

I must have stumbled into a convention of politically active Jehovah’s Witnesses.

I would suggest you calling people who have never voted Labour and Thatcherites like HH* "Bimbos of the left" is at best infantile.
It's symptomatic of the right atm, Trumpists Boris supporters and their Cultist views.

Crass

Please don't do a yeeb