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Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:07 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 am As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Tbf its not the guns fault that the shooter becomes batshit crazy enough to do it.

It is the gun's fault for the scale of the tragedies though. Some dickhead wielding a knife or some other object might take out 1 or 2 people before being taken down you'd like to think. Plus you'd need to be a physically strong person to manhandle people, whereas someone with a gun (and training using it) probably can be a streaky weasel.

The fact that an elected official is coming out with that kind of wank is worrying though.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:32 am

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:07 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 am As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Tbf its not the guns fault that the shooter becomes batshit crazy enough to do it.

It is the gun's fault for the scale of the tragedies though. Some dickhead wielding a knife or some other object might take out 1 or 2 people before being taken down you'd like to think. Plus you'd need to be a physically strong person to manhandle people, whereas someone with a gun (and training using it) probably can be a streaky weasel.

The fact that an elected official is coming out with that kind of wank is worrying though.

I always think of it as I much prefer my chances of outrunning a dude with a knife than a bullet.

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:55 am Let's apply The 5 Whys to the situation.

Why does America have so many mass shootings?
-They have a lot of mentally unstable people with access to guns

Why?
-They are over medicated and the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to bare arms

Why?
-They get bombarded by adverts from Pharma companies on TV, and in a document written 233 years ago the FFs wanted their citizens to be able to rise up against tyranny

Why?
-Pharma companies make a lot of money from this and Americans generally have an inherent wish to improve their station in life, and the FFs distrusted strong forms of government due to the English rule over the colonies

Why?
-Money.

Don't think we need the 5th Why . . .

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:37 am

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:07 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 am As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Tbf its not the guns fault that the shooter becomes batshit crazy enough to do it.

It is the gun's fault for the scale of the tragedies though. Some dickhead wielding a knife or some other object might take out 1 or 2 people before being taken down you'd like to think. Plus you'd need to be a physically strong person to manhandle people, whereas someone with a gun (and training using it) probably can be a streaky weasel.

The fact that an elected official is coming out with that kind of wank is worrying though.

She's either a fucking nut or on the payroll of some very dodgy characters. Its access to the guns is the issue. In Ireland the Gardai apply the law strictly and it specifically prohibits access to people the GP or local Superintendent deems not fit. The wording is broad in the legislation to allow the super not issue or revoke a certificate with ease:

(b) any person of intemperate habits, and

(c) any person of unsound mind,

Unsurprisingly we have absolutely fuck all gun crime

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:37 am

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:07 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:25 am As sure as night follows day, the despicable piece of shit posts her usual "it's not the guns fault"..

Tbf its not the guns fault that the shooter becomes batshit crazy enough to do it.

It is the gun's fault for the scale of the tragedies though. Some dickhead wielding a knife or some other object might take out 1 or 2 people before being taken down you'd like to think. Plus you'd need to be a physically strong person to manhandle people, whereas someone with a gun (and training using it) probably can be a streaky weasel.

The fact that an elected official is coming out with that kind of wank is worrying though.

She's either a fucking nut or on the payroll of some very dodgy characters. Its access to the guns is the issue. In Ireland the Gardai apply the law strictly and it specifically prohibits access to people the GP or local Superintendent deems not fit. The wording is broad in the legislation to allow the super not issue or revoke a certificate with ease:

(b) any person of intemperate habits, and

(c) any person of unsound mind,

Unsurprisingly we have absolutely fuck all gun crime

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:54 am If by some miracle they managed to get a nationwide ban on the sale of firearms from this point forth it would help to stop the instances of young men 18 - 25 going out and buying their own brand new gun and the ammo to go with, but they still have something like 400 million guns out there with the population and there have been plenty of cases where a young person takes a poorly stored gun of their parents to go on their murder spree.

Monitoring services are also for shit. The Colorado shooting a few days ago (!!) was perpetrated by a teenager who was already on probation for owning a 'ghost gun' two years prior. Not the first time someone already on the radar for problematic behaviour has gone on to do worse. I appreciate that odds are someone will fall through the cracks every now and then, but it feels like it's happened too often for sheer probability to fully account for incidence.

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 am Faux News...It's the doors fault, there shouldn't be any doors left open...

Oh really?....

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:43 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 am Faux News...It's the doors fault, there shouldn't be any doors left open...

Oh really?....

Typical shite from the right. Blame mental health (and now trans people, apparently...) and focus on target hardening as opposed to the root issue, the fucking weapons...

shaggy wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:42 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 10:54 am If by some miracle they managed to get a nationwide ban on the sale of firearms from this point forth it would help to stop the instances of young men 18 - 25 going out and buying their own brand new gun and the ammo to go with, but they still have something like 400 million guns out there with the population and there have been plenty of cases where a young person takes a poorly stored gun of their parents to go on their murder spree.

Monitoring services are also for shit. The Colorado shooting a few days ago (!!) was perpetrated by a teenager who was already on probation for owning a 'ghost gun' two years prior. Not the first time someone already on the radar for problematic behaviour has gone on to do worse. I appreciate that odds are someone will fall through the cracks every now and then, but it feels like it's happened too often for sheer probability to fully account for incidence.

Went to dinner (table of 12) in Houston last month and the average number of guns owned by the table was 28. That number included 4 Brits with no guns at all, plus some guesstimates as the responese were ‘between 40 and 50’.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:00 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 11:43 am

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:27 am Faux News...It's the doors fault, there shouldn't be any doors left open...

Oh really?....

Typical shite from the right. Blame mental health (and now trans people, apparently...) and focus on target hardening as opposed to the root issue, the fucking weapons...

Don't forget also refusing to do anything to improve access to and quality of mental health care.

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:20 pm
Highlight the issue in the media, vote against it in Congress...

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:25 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:20 pm
Highlight the issue in the media, vote against it in Congress...

I reckon the only way to solve the issue is every time a child dies in a school shooting, you sack the senator from that State and replace him with the opposition member.
They'll vote to bans all assault weapons in about 7 hours.

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:27 pm I don't understand why a civilian needs access to semi-auto assault style weapons. At all. Handguns, aye alright, but nobody needs anything more than that for personal defence.

Tighten access to handguns via checks supported by mental health assessment, and restrict anything bigger than that to single action weapons only. Bolt action hunting rifles will stop anything someone is minded to hunt in the US...

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:32 pm

geordie_6 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:27 pm I don't understand why a civilian needs access to semi-auto assault style weapons. At all. Handguns, aye alright, but nobody needs anything more than that for personal defence.

Tighten access to handguns via checks supported by mental health assessment, and restrict anything bigger than that to single action weapons only. Bolt action hunting rifles will stop anything someone is minded to hunt in the US...

Deer will up-armour before long...

Pffft an AR-15 with various accessories including a 100 round mage of armour piercing ammo is totally necessary for deer hunting

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 12:57 pm

CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:50 pm Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Tennessee representative Andrew Ogles, who represents the district where the Covenant school is located, said he was “utterly heartbroken” over the shooting in a statement released on Monday, reported the Washington Post.

Parking lot; all victims walk ins at North Memorial hospital. 50 casings found from 3 guns.

SaintK wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:37 pm The Republican representative of the district where the shootings took place was "utterly heartbroken"

Tennessee representative Andrew Ogles, who represents the district where the Covenant school is located, said he was “utterly heartbroken” over the shooting in a statement released on Monday, reported the Washington Post.

This was Christmas card he sent out last year

CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:50 pm Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 4:01 pm Americans struggle with their filters. We have old American friends and they send their Christmas cards and a little typed booklet every year. It's always mental with photos of them in hospital and sky diving and shit like 'This brings to an end a difficult year where I divorced Brandy and met the love of my like Cindy. Cindy and her two kids have moved in and everyone is just so delighted (cue a photo of miserable kids). Brandy and I were not for each other but I hope she and her children with Frank are happy in their new home with my business partner Paul'

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:41 pm

Unsurprisingly the shooter was in treatment for anxiety or depression. It's not difficult to stop them getting guns is it.

CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:50 pm Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:16 pm

Sandstorm wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:56 pm

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:41 pm

Unsurprisingly the shooter was in treatment for anxiety or depression. It's not difficult to stop them getting guns is it.

Actually in America it’s probably impossible to prevent someone who really wants a gun from getting one.

You have to tie yourself up in knots of bullshit to have created a system where a person being actively treated for an emotional disorder can get a gun. Tbf Americans are so binary these days I see the other side are saying it has nothing to do with the emotional disorder and its just the guns. Nope. Its both. I should add I shot when I was a young lad and would now very periodically go out and let off a few rounds in the general direction of things. It's all about access and safety. Did my dad always lock up the guns safely and away from stupid teenage me? No and then I did a stupid thing and he did. He got lucky and nobody found out as he would never have got a gun again. I remember a local.oul lad started dementing a bit and the day the GP reported it to the Gardai they went around and took his guns. It was the early early stages of dementia but that's the system and it mostly works.

EnergiseR2 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:50 pm Nah. Lock boxes were a new thing. Guns were mostly kept on the top of presses or in the wardrobe. Boys would be too scared to go near them as they would get a clatter.

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:55 am Let's apply The 5 Whys to the situation.

Why does America have so many mass shootings?
-They have a lot of mentally unstable people with access to guns

Why?
-They are over medicated and the 2nd Amendment gives them the right to bare arms

Why?
-They get bombarded by adverts from Pharma companies on TV, and in a document written 233 years ago the FFs wanted their citizens to be able to rise up against tyranny

Why?
-Pharma companies make a lot of money from this and Americans generally have an inherent wish to improve their station in life, and the FFs distrusted strong forms of government due to the English rule over the colonies

Why?
-Money.

Don't think we need the 5th Why . . .

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:14 pm This is all a bit odd for me. I've been round guns, albeit shotguns, all my life.. once I'd moved out of the family home, got my own gun locker, inspected by the police, got my licence etc and bought a gun.. Note..A.. gun, just one, that's all I needed to shoot things to eat with..Then I bought another. As my side by side was old and I fancied an over and under..
To date, I have 3. Two over and unders and my old side by side..
I did shoot a lot of other guns at an indoor range, including handguns until the ban came in..
This obsession with gun collections is beyond me, yes I've seen the pics of yanks covering their drive in arms to boast about how many they have.wtf? Stupid as is stupid gets sums it up..

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:09 pm

CM11 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:50 pm Tbf, I think if you just focused on gun control you'd miss some causes. It's definitely a factor but the US has gone batshit in the last 20 years so I'd say it's also more and more people being disenfranchised by the way society has gone. There's just too much shit to deal with for some.

Plenty of guns in Canada as well but way less gun deaths.

fishfoodie wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:38 pm

TB63 wrote: Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:14 pm This is all a bit odd for me. I've been round guns, albeit shotguns, all my life.. once I'd moved out of the family home, got my own gun locker, inspected by the police, got my licence etc and bought a gun.. Note..A.. gun, just one, that's all I needed to shoot things to eat with..Then I bought another. As my side by side was old and I fancied an over and under..
To date, I have 3. Two over and unders and my old side by side..
I did shoot a lot of other guns at an indoor range, including handguns until the ban came in..
This obsession with gun collections is beyond me, yes I've seen the pics of yanks covering their drive in arms to boast about how many they have.wtf? Stupid as is stupid gets sums it up..

You clearly didn't grow up in a society that conflates masculinity, with guns, & violence, to the point where a woman who wants to be seen as masculine decides that the best way to achieve that is to murder children.

Wanna be a man, buy an assault weapon !

Got a tiny penis, buy lots of guns !!

Line6 HXFX wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 2:29 am Bullying in High School, destroys students lives, can be so intense it leads to them then to not giving a single fuck (as their whole sense of self is crushed) and then leads to them wanting to take revenge.
Eradicate bullying and save lives.

Eradicate bullying, make school a great experience and you won't have so many terrible shootings.

Problem is teachers are into bullying too.

Kids are not mentally developed enough to deal with bullies emotionally, the brain isn't really in not give a fuck mode till you are like 30.

Words are weapons, you don't have real jobs anymore, just English lit grads using verbose abuse as a money earner.

Sometimes think our whole Capitalist, Right Wing, economic system amd Society itself, is held together with personal abuse and bullying.
So it is inevitable that there are going to be victims.