NPR

TheFrog wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:37 am

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:52 am Tomas Allen should be getting a hammering on here!! Missed the pen on 71 mins, then two horrible shots down the line kicks.

Italy half-backs cost them the game. The forwards must be pissed off...

I didn't think Allan was terrible. Varney was terrible, and leaving him on so long was a very bad decision.

Another point. Very little moaning about the refs on Saturday and play significantly quicker, well done them.

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:03 am Another point. Very little moaning about the refs on Saturday and play significantly quicker, well done them.

Agreed - made for good games!

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 9:52 am

TheFrog wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:37 am

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:52 am Tomas Allen should be getting a hammering on here!! Missed the pen on 71 mins, then two horrible shots down the line kicks.

Italy half-backs cost them the game. The forwards must be pissed off...

I didn't think Allan was terrible. Varney was terrible, and leaving him on so long was a very bad decision.

I can't be the only person of a certain age who thought to themselves he's playing more like Reg Varney.

dpedin wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:13 am

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:03 am Another point. Very little moaning about the refs on Saturday and play significantly quicker, well done them.

Agreed - made for good games!

Even Dickson had a relatively good match by his standards!!

Borthwick really putting the boot into Jones
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... -not-good/

And really looks like Eng aren't as good as they or some thought in any area! I caveat that with I'm a sceptic in regards using these stats in isolation i.e. ignoring context. The shocker for me is Eng's poor tackle rate. Even through the last few years, I'd never had the impression they missed so many tackles.

SaintK wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:10 pm

dpedin wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:13 am

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 10:03 am Another point. Very little moaning about the refs on Saturday and play significantly quicker, well done them.

Agreed - made for good games!

Even Dickson had a relatively good match by his standards!!

My Welsh mate disagrees.

But he's one of those where he knows a bit more than the average 6N viewer, not as much as the average PR tragic, and gets very one-eyed. But everyone can sympathise about Dickson, so it was easy enough.

Generally though it made for a pleasant change for the ref to be a total non-factor in the England game. I'm sure mistakes were made but at no point did it feel like anything other than a decent showing.

I see Sexton has to undergo yet another concussion protocol ahead of next Saturday's game. He should consider quitting for his own good.

Furlong, Healy and Gibson-Park already out?

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:05 am

TheFrog wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:44 am

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Feb 05, 2023 7:20 pm Great to see Italy and Scotland's performances. Just show how important a good level below tests are.

Self promotion Oom?

He’s been trying hard all weekend to get a bite

Had a very busy weekend , moving house. You should be thankful, your Saffers specially Duhan has been brilliant. The whole of George's wear Scottish skirts after his try.

I hadn't realised this before but why is Welsh referee Andrew Brace getting to referee a Wales match? I get that he is working for the IRFU but there are enough refs out there for this not to happen.

I know it has happened with other refs but there is no need really.

Because he's as much a product of Ireland as he is of Wales. Or Belgium. It's mostly meaningless in these days.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:31 pm Because he's as much a product of Ireland as he is of Wales. Or Belgium. It's mostly meaningless in these days.

His f**king concept of reffing is meaningless.

Bernol spot on.
https://www.rugbyrama.fr/2023/02/06/6-n ... 979552.php

Basically the speakers think Jalibert is the correct choice but the headline reads "Jalibert can do what he wants, he will never start".
It's a recognition (finally) amongst many that Ntamack's selection is pure dogma and no amount of factual reality is going to dissuade Galthie and co. from their stupidity. It's England and Youngs all over. When he costs France any chance of a RWC, a new coach might smell the coffee.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:32 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:05 am

TheFrog wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:44 am



Self promotion Oom?

He’s been trying hard all weekend to get a bite

Had a very busy weekend , moving house. You should be thankful, your Saffers specially Duhan has been brilliant. The whole of George's wear Scottish skirts after his try.

Ours didn't deliver though. Hope he is up for it next week.

Didn't realize France is the only top tier team that Ireland hasn't beaten since 2019. Long may that continue.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:31 pm I see Sexton has to undergo yet another concussion protocol ahead of next Saturday's game. He should consider quitting for his own good.

Its a big concern tbf. Are there stats anywhere saying how many concussions/suspected concussions players are getting these days? Sexton's concussions per minute played must be pretty high . . .

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:35 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:31 pm I see Sexton has to undergo yet another concussion protocol ahead of next Saturday's game. He should consider quitting for his own good.

Its a big concern tbf. Are there stats anywhere saying how many concussions/suspected concussions players are getting these days? Sexton's concussions per minute played must be pretty high . . .

That must be a frequent topic of discussion privately between him and his family. Surely one must draw the line somewhere?

LoveOfTheGame wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:34 am

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:35 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:31 pm I see Sexton has to undergo yet another concussion protocol ahead of next Saturday's game. He should consider quitting for his own good.

Its a big concern tbf. Are there stats anywhere saying how many concussions/suspected concussions players are getting these days? Sexton's concussions per minute played must be pretty high . . .

That must be a frequent topic of discussion privately between him and his family. Surely one must draw the line somewhere?

RWC Quarter Final is one achievement he doesn’t have yet. Then he can retire in style.

The sad thing is that in 10 years he may suffer dementia.

There is no doubt that Ireland have flogged him since Paddy Jackson got into trouble, rushing him back from x number of injuries, given we have no one close to his calibre for the 10 shirt. We even played him in the makey-uppy Autumn Cup during covid. He'd probably start every game in a 3 test tour to Canada FFS, knowing the IRFU.

I hope to god that he's fine in his post-career life, but if he's not then the IRFU could be in deep shit.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 8:12 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 7:31 pm Because he's as much a product of Ireland as he is of Wales. Or Belgium. It's mostly meaningless in these days.

His f**king concept of reffing is meaningless.

This amused me more than it had any right to. Reminded me of this -

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:56 am There is no doubt that Ireland have flogged him since Paddy Jackson got into trouble, rushing him back from x number of injuries, given we have no one close to his calibre for the 10 shirt. We even played him in the makey-uppy Autumn Cup during covid. He'd probably start every game in a 3 test tour to Canada FFS, knowing the IRFU.

I hope to god that he's fine in his post-career life, but if he's not then the IRFU could be in deep shit.

Well, I think the IRFU has probably followed the rules to the letter of the law: not like say, Wales/Saints with North or Noves/Toulouse with Fritz. So the issue of any culpability seems to me unclear. It's not like Sexton couldn't say "I'd like to give these ones a miss". Yes, he is an uber competitor but surely that doesn't abrogate him from taking some responsibility for his own well being? Having seen the Steve Thompson doco, I really hope this never becomes anything more than a hypothetical discussion.

Bit naughty

It is.

Posting that picture, I mean. You can't even tell if he's touching the face or inches off it, thanks to the perspective. Just as likely that Tipuric is in motion and going for a wrap on the ball.

JM2K6 wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:16 pm It is.

Posting that picture, I mean. You can't even tell if he's touching the face or inches off it, thanks to the perspective. Just as likely that Tipuric is in motion and going for a wrap on the ball.

Enlarge it and you can see the indentations his fingers are making on the face around the eyes !

He's definitely on the face, but the video is less incriminating. He might get in trouble for it, he might not.

Something would have happened by now if it was going to, no?

It's an unfortunate rugby incident, don't believe there was anything remotely malicious on Tips part.

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:43 pm Something would have happened by now if it was going to, no?

It's an unfortunate rugby incident, don't believe there was anything remotely malicious on Tips part.

That doesn't really matter, though. Contact with the eye area is the offence, whether or not its intentional and/or a gouge is reflected in whether the offence is put down as mid or high end.

It's a little way in the past now but in the early 10s it felt like we had a spate of bannings for fairly innocuous contact with the eye area.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:51 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:43 pm Something would have happened by now if it was going to, no?

It's an unfortunate rugby incident, don't believe there was anything remotely malicious on Tips part.

That doesn't really matter, though. Contact with the eye area is the offence, whether or not its intentional and/or a gouge is reflected in whether the offence is put down as mid or high end.

It's a little way in the past now but in the early 10s it felt like we had a spate of bannings for fairly innocuous contact with the eye area.

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:51 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:43 pm Something would have happened by now if it was going to, no?

It's an unfortunate rugby incident, don't believe there was anything remotely malicious on Tips part.

That doesn't really matter, though. Contact with the eye area is the offence, whether or not its intentional and/or a gouge is reflected in whether the offence is put down as mid or high end.

It's a little way in the past now but in the early 10s it felt like we had a spate of bannings for fairly innocuous contact with the eye area.

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

Ovals wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:10 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:51 pm

That doesn't really matter, though. Contact with the eye area is the offence, whether or not its intentional and/or a gouge is reflected in whether the offence is put down as mid or high end.

It's a little way in the past now but in the early 10s it felt like we had a spate of bannings for fairly innocuous contact with the eye area.

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

We seem to be getting this response at the moment on every occasion there's a question over foul play. Even when it IS Farrell

Ovals wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:10 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 3:51 pm

That doesn't really matter, though. Contact with the eye area is the offence, whether or not its intentional and/or a gouge is reflected in whether the offence is put down as mid or high end.

It's a little way in the past now but in the early 10s it felt like we had a spate of bannings for fairly innocuous contact with the eye area.

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

Now that would be worth shaking my fist at in rage!


The important difference being that Farrel is a shoulder leading head hunter and Tips is a lovely salt fo the earth type, that knows how to both tackle cleanly and effectively ( I know right!)

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:40 pm

Ovals wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:10 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

Now that would be worth shaking my fist at in rage!


The important difference being that Farrel is a shoulder leading head hunter and Tips is a lovely salt fo the earth type, that knows how to both tackle cleanly and effectively ( I know right!)

Just this autumn he was carded for a trip and he's had a couple of yellows for tip tackles. Nowhere near as bad as three ban Farrell, but Tipuric is no saint.

Shouldn't really have had his hand in there

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:12 pm Shouldn't really have had his hand in there

Doesn't look great.

Although he'd have to be a seriously calculating bastard to think if I gauge him right on the line, he'll lose it forward and no try.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:57 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:40 pm

Ovals wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:10 pm

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

Now that would be worth shaking my fist at in rage!


The important difference being that Farrel is a shoulder leading head hunter and Tips is a lovely salt fo the earth type, that knows how to both tackle cleanly and effectively ( I know right!)

Just this autumn he was carded for a trip and he's had a couple of yellows for tip tackles. Nowhere near as bad as three ban Farrell, but Tipuric is no saint.

Okay, you've convinced me - its fist shaking time!

Grrr! Its a disgrace Tipuric hasn't been cited

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:31 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:57 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:40 pm

Now that would be worth shaking my fist at in rage!


The important difference being that Farrel is a shoulder leading head hunter and Tips is a lovely salt fo the earth type, that knows how to both tackle cleanly and effectively ( I know right!)

Just this autumn he was carded for a trip and he's had a couple of yellows for tip tackles. Nowhere near as bad as three ban Farrell, but Tipuric is no saint.

Okay, you've convinced me - its fist shaking time!

Grrr! Its a disgrace Tipuric hasn't been cited

That's more like it.

Biffer wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:24 pm

Ovals wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:10 pm

PornDog wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:04 pm

Yeah I get that, it's more that I'm not exactly up in arms that no citing has been made.

I do like a good fist shaking though, so maybe I'll change my mind.

Imagine the uproar if the was an England player - such as Farrell !!!!!

We seem to be getting this response at the moment on every occasion there's a question over foul play. Even when it IS Farrell

Possibly your best post here, Biffer

Jim Lahey wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:15 pm

SaintK wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:12 pm Shouldn't really have had his hand in there

Doesn't look great.

Although he'd have to be a seriously calculating bastard to think if I gauge him right on the line, he'll lose it forward and no try.

Not sure if it's a gouge, but definitely seems to get a good grip and pull back on his scrum cap, which is a shitty action in itself.

It's unintentional, and ends up as a rake in the eye area. So it should still be a citing but low end punishment imo.