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Poshprop wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:13 am Finlay Calder is the guest on The Good The Bad and The rugby this week. Not very often you hear from him and I would love to hear a lot more from him. The 89 Lions was the first Lions tour I really remember and it cemented my love for rugby and Calder was a big part of that. Its a good show but they could could have easily got another 3 or 4 hours out of it , well worth a listen.
Well his forearm certainly] was ....as Jim Staples found outKawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:49 pmPoshprop wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:13 am Finlay Calder is the guest on The Good The Bad and The rugby this week. Not very often you hear from him and I would love to hear a lot more from him. The 89 Lions was the first Lions tour I really remember and it cemented my love for rugby and Calder was a big part of that. Its a good show but they could could have easily got another 3 or 4 hours out of it , well worth a listen.
Yes, he is very good. A very humble and modest Scot.
Superb player, hard as teak.
He was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!Dogbert wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:29 pmWell his forearm certainly] was ....as Jim Staples found outKawazaki wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:49 pmPoshprop wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:13 am Finlay Calder is the guest on The Good The Bad and The rugby this week. Not very often you hear from him and I would love to hear a lot more from him. The 89 Lions was the first Lions tour I really remember and it cemented my love for rugby and Calder was a big part of that. Its a good show but they could could have easily got another 3 or 4 hours out of it , well worth a listen.
Yes, he is very good. A very humble and modest Scot.
Superb player, hard as teak.
When I first moved up to Edinburgh for Uni in the mid 90's I had a game for Edinburgh Accies 3rd XV against Stew Mel 3rd's at full back and Calder was having a run out. About 10 minutes in their 10 put in a good up and under and I got caught man and ball by him. I was absolutely splattered even though everyone said he very obviously pulled out of the massive hit as he approached. Thank the Lord.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!
Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:17 amWhen I first moved up to Edinburgh for Uni in the mid 90's I had a game for Edinburgh Accies 3rd XV against Stew Mel 3rd's at full back and Calder was having a run out. About 10 minutes in their 10 put in a good up and under and I got caught man and ball by him. I was absolutely splattered even though everyone said he very obviously pulled out of the massive hit as he approached. Thank the Lord.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!Dogbert wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:29 pm
Well his forearm certainly] was ....as Jim Staples found out
Shortly after I first moved to Edinburgh I was heading somewhere to meet a mate for a drink, walked round a corner onto the Royal Mile not looking where I was going and walked square into someone. Looked and realised it was Finlay Calder. Nearly shat my breeks, kind of whispered in a high pitched voice 'sorry Mr Calder sir' and scuttled off.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!
Did the Saffers not do the same in the last tour or did they claim Covid bubble restrictions?Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
I think it was Covid bubble restrictions to be fair.GrahamWa wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:08 pmDid the Saffers not do the same in the last tour or did they claim Covid bubble restrictions?Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
I don't disagree if the jamboree continues Argentina should be added into the mix. But if the issue is weak midweek opposition who would Argentina be putting forward? (I suppose one could play Chile and Uruguay and?)Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
Always wonder how your modern day hard men like Eben would have coped against the likes of Calder, Teague, Dooley etc. He's a big gym monkey who likes to push and shove and make faces but I doubt he has ever thrown a proper punch in anger on a pitch or faced up to one of these guys who were hard men in life not just on a pitch.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!
Chile, Uruguay, Argentina A, Americas Select, Presidents Invitational, Club XV. The thing is over there, not a single played would turn it down - they're struggling to get people to play for the Aus-NZ combined team. You'd get the best of the Chile, Uruguay and USA turning out for the Americas side even if they had played them already for their national side. Argentina A would be full blood the week before as well, players looking to force their way into the test 23.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:52 pmI don't disagree if the jamboree continues Argentina should be added into the mix. But if the issue is weak midweek opposition who would Argentina be putting forward? (I suppose one could play Chile and Uruguay and?)Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
So far as I understand it, the Lions started putting the release clause into the contract for the tour a few tours ago due to the fact the SH nations were holding back their best players from provincial games. But the SH countries are all ignoring the provision despite it being contractual. The o yl way to enforce it is to change the schedule.Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:34 pmI think it was Covid bubble restrictions to be fair.GrahamWa wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:08 pmDid the Saffers not do the same in the last tour or did they claim Covid bubble restrictions?Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
Schmidt says it's all games and nonsense anyway and that they were just under obligation to do their best
Me too. World class scruffer and face puller, plus the target of gallons of Saffa bukkake.Blackmac wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:16 pmAlways wonder how your modern day hard men like Eben would have coped against the likes of Calder, Teague, Dooley etc. He's a big gym monkey who likes to push and shove and make faces but I doubt he has ever thrown a proper punch in anger on a pitch or faced up to one of these guys who were hard men in life not just on a pitch.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!Dogbert wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:29 pm
Well his forearm certainly] was ....as Jim Staples found out
Yeah, the lions will get flogged in the pre test games to come up against fresh and rested players in the tests. Possibly even some strategic injuring of players by lads whose season is over anyway (see Doddie Weir & ROG).Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
I reckon Eben would be OKBlackmac wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:16 pmAlways wonder how your modern day hard men like Eben would have coped against the likes of Calder, Teague, Dooley etc. He's a big gym monkey who likes to push and shove and make faces but I doubt he has ever thrown a proper punch in anger on a pitch or faced up to one of these guys who were hard men in life not just on a pitch.dpedin wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:05 amHe was a great, great player, tough as a gatepost but furiously dirty player - ask Sean Fitzpatrick. Most opposition players were seriously scared of him and I don't blame them. I know a few players from that era and even those in the same Scotland team as him were scared of him!Dogbert wrote: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:29 pm
Well his forearm certainly] was ....as Jim Staples found out
Schmidt did make a point that the Lions would be protecting their Test players for the majority of the tour which is trueUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:24 pmYeah, the lions will get flogged in the pre test games to come up against fresh and rested players in the tests. Possibly even some strategic injuring of players by lads whose season is over anyway (see Doddie Weir & ROG).Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Exactly.Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:26 pmSchmidt did make a point that the Lions would be protecting their Test players for the majority of the tour which is true
Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:29 pmChile, Uruguay, Argentina A, Americas Select, Presidents Invitational, Club XV. The thing is over there, not a single played would turn it down - they're struggling to get people to play for the Aus-NZ combined team. You'd get the best of the Chile, Uruguay and USA turning out for the Americas side even if they had played them already for their national side. Argentina A would be full blood the week before as well, players looking to force their way into the test 23.Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 3:52 pmI don't disagree if the jamboree continues Argentina should be added into the mix. But if the issue is weak midweek opposition who would Argentina be putting forward? (I suppose one could play Chile and Uruguay and?)Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
Sandstorm wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:20 pm If punching was still allowed, I’m sure today’s pro scumbags would be just as effective as the 1970s versions.
I doubt Farrell will be going full Clive Woodward.Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:26 pmSchmidt did make a point that the Lions would be protecting their Test players for the majority of the tour which is trueUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:24 pmYeah, the lions will get flogged in the pre test games to come up against fresh and rested players in the tests. Possibly even some strategic injuring of players by lads whose season is over anyway (see Doddie Weir & ROG).Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:19 pm Aussies breaching their contrqct
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... 97qz5dqlgo
Four of nine Force players not released, six of eight reds players not released.
The Lions management should start to be a bit more draconian with this. Good reason to take the tour to Argentina instead of Australia next time round I reckon.
I feel sorry for the guys that might not t get to play against the Lions at all as a result of this.
That's a feature, not a bug.
Agree to a point, but some of the definite starters will not be playing in the 2 games before the 1st test I wouldn’t thinkUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:02 pmI doubt Farrell will be going full Clive Woodward.Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:26 pmSchmidt did make a point that the Lions would be protecting their Test players for the majority of the tour which is trueUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:24 pm
Yeah, the lions will get flogged in the pre test games to come up against fresh and rested players in the tests. Possibly even some strategic injuring of players by lads whose season is over anyway (see Doddie Weir & ROG).
That's a feature, not a bug.
Not going to id the test starters unless he plays them.
So they’re not going to play for three weeks? The other guys are going to play three games in ten days?Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:06 pmAgree to a point, but some of the definite starters will not be playing in the 2 games before the 1st test I wouldn’t thinkUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:02 pmI doubt Farrell will be going full Clive Woodward.Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:26 pm
Schmidt did make a point that the Lions would be protecting their Test players for the majority of the tour which is true
Not going to id the test starters unless he plays them.
Thank you for making my point quite effectively.Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:33 pmSo they’re not going to play for three weeks? The other guys are going to play three games in ten days?Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:06 pmAgree to a point, but some of the definite starters will not be playing in the 2 games before the 1st test I wouldn’t thinkUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:02 pm
I doubt Farrell will be going full Clive Woodward.
Not going to id the test starters unless he plays them.
Where did you get 3 weeks from?Biffer wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:33 pmSo they’re not going to play for three weeks? The other guys are going to play three games in ten days?Slick wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:06 pmAgree to a point, but some of the definite starters will not be playing in the 2 games before the 1st test I wouldn’t thinkUncle fester wrote: Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:02 pm
I doubt Farrell will be going full Clive Woodward.
Not going to id the test starters unless he plays them.
Good to see the Russell - Tuipulotu axis on show! Williams should provide speedy ball from 9. Ringrose and wingers should benefit from having them there and I hope they have had a bit of time to practice some attacking moves. Not sure Daly fits into the game plan so well, I suspect he is there because probable Test 15s aren't quite ready yet. It is why he is on Tour solid, reliable and can cover a lot of positions in backs but I would worry he get exposed defensively to speedier opponents.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:45 am British and Irish Lions: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Mack Hansen, 13 Garry Ringrose, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 James Lowe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Tomos Williams, 8 Henry Pollock, 7 Josh van der Flier, 6 Tadhg Beirne, 5 Joe McCarthy, 4 Scott Cummings, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Dan Sheehan (c), 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Andrew Porter, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Ollie Chessum, 20 Jack Conan, 21 Alex Mitchell, 22 Huw Jones, 23 Marcus Smith
Dylan Pietsch will give him nightmares down the right wing!dpedin wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:50 am Not sure Daly fits into the game plan so well, I suspect he is there because probable Test 15s aren't quite ready yet. It is why he is on Tour solid, reliable and can cover a lot of positions in backs but I would worry he get exposed defensively to speedier opponents.
Will be interesting to see how Williams/Russell works, presumably will also get a chance to see Mitchell/Russell in the second half too.dpedin wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:50 amGood to see the Russell - Tuipulotu axis on show! Williams should provide speedy ball from 9. Ringrose and wingers should benefit from having them there and I hope they have had a bit of time to practice some attacking moves. Not sure Daly fits into the game plan so well, I suspect he is there because probable Test 15s aren't quite ready yet. It is why he is on Tour solid, reliable and can cover a lot of positions in backs but I would worry he get exposed defensively to speedier opponents.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:45 am British and Irish Lions: 15 Elliot Daly, 14 Mack Hansen, 13 Garry Ringrose, 12 Sione Tuipulotu, 11 James Lowe, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Tomos Williams, 8 Henry Pollock, 7 Josh van der Flier, 6 Tadhg Beirne, 5 Joe McCarthy, 4 Scott Cummings, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Dan Sheehan (c), 1 Pierre Schoeman
Replacements: 16 Ronan Kelleher, 17 Andrew Porter, 18 Will Stuart, 19 Ollie Chessum, 20 Jack Conan, 21 Alex Mitchell, 22 Huw Jones, 23 Marcus Smith
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:19 am Western Force team list
Starting XV; Tom Robertson, Brandon Paenga-Amosa, Ollie Hoskins, Sam Carter, Darcy Swain, Will Harris, Nick Champion de Crespigny, Vaiolini Ekuasi; Nic White (c), Alex Harford, Dylan Pietsch, Hamish Stewart, Matt Proctor, Mac Grealy, Ben Donaldson
Reserves; Nic Dolly, Marley Pearce, Tiaan Tauakipulu, Lopeti Faifua, Reed Prinsep, Henry Robertson, Max Burey, Bayley Kuenzle
Gumboot wrote: Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:55 amSandstorm wrote: Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:19 am Western Force team list
Starting XV; Tom Robertson, Brandon Paenga-Amosa, Ollie Hoskins, Sam Carter, Darcy Swain, Will Harris, Nick Champion de Crespigny, Vaiolini Ekuasi; Nic White (c), Alex Harford, Dylan Pietsch, Hamish Stewart, Matt Proctor, Mac Grealy, Ben Donaldson
Reserves; Nic Dolly, Marley Pearce, Tiaan Tauakipulu, Lopeti Faifua, Reed Prinsep, Henry Robertson, Max Burey, Bayley Kuenzle
Had my eye on this young fella for a while. Hope he plays well.
Edit: Just read that he's fully committed to staying in Australia. Dead to me.
