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Niegs wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:46 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:28 am Just caught Wales - Ireland U18 women is about to be streamed in a minute:

What have been the results so far in this? Announcer said Wales are 3-0.
They palyed 2 35 minute matches a few days ago. Wales won them and won today 17-10.

I only skipped around but Wales scored a couple of nice long range tries, especially the first. What seemed apparent, though, was what we see at other levels - much better defence than attack. Even jumping around as I did, I kept seeing three player pods with the ball to the tip of the arrow, so to speak, straight into contact*, jackaler over the ball and steal/penalty (or slow ball, at least). * ... the other attacking issue I saw was carrier, obviously not confident of her power, going almost sideways to find space (that wasn't there most of the time) and giving the tackler an easier job, also contributing to slower ball at the breakdown.

When I coached this age group, even with 'bigger' players, we focused on moving the ball around to space. I think they averaged something like 5 or 6 tries per game against most opponents (can't say our defence was stellar, but with limited practice time, they declared they wanted to have fun and score lots). Out of a group of about 40 kids, I think... oh, I still have that somewhere ... 23 different players scored. :)
Wales certainly had issues with going into contact isolated. It seemed to me the rest of the arrow just watching or hoping the ball comes to them rather than running to support the player in advance of them obviously taking contact.
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2 Girls from my little local club playing for England today, Katie Shillaker starting on the wing and Grace Clifford as a sub.
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ASMO wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:07 pm 2 Girls from my little local club playing for England today, Katie Shillaker starting on the wing and Grace Clifford as a sub.
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eldanielfire wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:54 pm


Scrumqueens - Women’s Rugby
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Big steps for Italian women's rugby

🏉25 players have been given annual part-time contracts to allow them to train between 80-130 days with the national team
🏉An additional 350k investment into the national team to prep for the World Cup
🏉 TV deal to show more club rugby
That’s good as Italy have looked a shadow of their former selves this year. They were well beaten by Ireland on Sunday, and on current form will also struggle against Wales and Scotland. This investment should help them to keep up with the other professional and semi-professional squads, and regain some of the form they showed before the pandemic.
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ASMO wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:07 pm 2 Girls from my little local club playing for England today, Katie Shillaker starting on the wing and Grace Clifford as a sub.
Nice stuff.
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Ouch

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Wow! That was some really great rugby from the French. That little sidestep by their 14 was a tad unique, graceful. And a double Ashton dive. :grin:


On a sadder note, Claudia MacDonald facing a career ending neck injury:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61079973
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Niegs wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:24 pm Wow! That was some really great rugby from the French. That little sidestep by their 14 was a tad unique, graceful. And a double Ashton dive. :grin:


On a sadder note, Claudia MacDonald facing a career ending neck injury:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/61079973
Was just about to post that. Sad news, just as I felt she was becoming a really good test scrum half in the autumn. Must be doubly gutting just before a world cup when your team have a huge chance of winning it.
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It's also really shitty she has lost her England contract over this as well. There should be some rugby related Injury compensation in that case.
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eldanielfire wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:52 pm It's also really shitty she has lost her England contract over this as well. There should be some rugby related Injury compensation in that case.
Not sure if there is in England but I think that should be work injury protection insurance cover.

Sad for players to have to stop playing when not on their terms
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Glenn Moore resigns from coaching The Black Ferns.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 am Glenn Moore resigns from coaching The Black Ferns.
Hardly surprising given some of the shit that's be flying around about his managemment style.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 am Glenn Moore resigns from coaching The Black Ferns.
Hardly surprising given some of the shit that's be flying around about his managemment style.
Coach's statement is in this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/bla ... llegations
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Niegs wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 2:48 pm
SaintK wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:01 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 am Glenn Moore resigns from coaching The Black Ferns.
Hardly surprising given some of the shit that's be flying around about his managemment style.
Coach's statement is in this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/bla ... llegations
I just read an article focussed on the review into NZR's management of the Black Ferns,

here

and in my view it's damning. How's this for a quote to the review panel from one of the respondents...
The confusion is summed up best in one quote highlighted from the review panel in which a respondent claimed: “I have no idea who is responsible for communicating with players while they are injured.”
They have 6 months before they host the WC. No coach, no system, no fucking idea. They've parachuted Wayne Smith in as a technical adviser and Graham Henry as a selector.

My lack of faith in NZR management is not diluted by this at all.
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SaintK wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:01 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 7:02 am Glenn Moore resigns from coaching The Black Ferns.
Hardly surprising given some of the shit that's be flying around about his managemment style.
Possibly. Very little in the report dicusses him directly. Just vague assertions about poor cultural understanding and lack of resources. It should be added Moore transformed a team before introducing many Maori and Pacific players successfully. I mean the main attack appears to be from one player, and all she seems to say is she was not picked and had a breakdown on tour because she gets criticised, which all coaches must obviously do. There's an element of her being very "Gen Z" about this and the coach himself not having the resources or support from up above, COVID related difficulties and NZ management not putting much into the women's game.

Neig posted these very informative article son PR and they present a very different view, especially the 2nd one, pointing out some criticisms for players needing to eb responsible..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/128 ... -world-cup
https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/other-sport ... d-16-april
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A nice piece from Stephen Jones about the girl's tema he helped start:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/to-c ... 1650166117

RUGBY UNION | STEPHEN JONES
To create a team from nothing is both a marvellous and a fiendish experience

Stephen Jones
, Rugby Correspondent
Sunday April 17 2022, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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Only about a minute of play had elapsed at the ground of Newbury RFC, but already I wondered what on earth we had done. Should we run on and ask the referee to scrap the game?

It was the first time that a girls’ team representing our club, Maidenhead, had ever played. We had founded the section at the start of this season, with about four guaranteed attendees, and the aim of creating only an under-13 team. But the girls and their parents wanted to bring their siblings, other relations, school mates.

So suddenly we had about seven different age groups, a thundering great nightmare that needed coaching at seven different speeds, and yet a nightmare which, frankly, we were joyously happy to live through.

But back to Newbury panic stations. It was a day when one of those storms that they name had come raging in, with driving, sleet-laden, freezing rain that reduced the pitch to a quagmire. Exposure was a real danger.

And the rugby? Hard to watch. We had practised all the contact phases, taught them how to tackle safely, how to operate through the mini-breakdown phases that are allowed for the younger girls. The girls were anxious to play matches against another team and so we entered what is called a “pitch up and play” event at Newbury.

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What happens is that the local clubs bring whatever players they have — they may have 20 or two or anywhere in between, and teams are combined to make up the numbers. We had enough numbers for our own team, but no experience.

Jones oversees training at Maidenhead
Jones oversees training at Maidenhead
PETER TARRY/TIMES NEWSPAPERS LTD
We were quickly try after try down. Every time one of our girls approached contact or tried to make a tackle, I winced. Towards the end Ruth had scored a try, our try. Somehow the girls got through, walked off frozen stiff and soaked through.

We played a second game, in which our valiant Ruby started making some runs up the middle and Abi down the wing. But after the second game we dragged everyone back into the warmth of the clubhouse, and even though we were due to play one more game we decided to call the end of play on humanitarian grounds.

Then we were approached by a deputation. The girls wanted to play on. We had a show of hands. Almost everybody’s hand went up. They actually ran out, laughing their way to the pitches. At the end of the day the parents scraped away the mud, volunteered to launder the kit, made an inventory of the fingers and toes of their offspring, found all intact.

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Why so panicky? It is about 30 years since this newspaper first covered women’s rugby, decades before our rivals. I did realise that female players are tough as old boots, as well as men. And I realised that at the end of their first matches, there was something shining in the eyes of the team.

The experience has rekindled Jones’s love of the sport
The experience has rekindled Jones’s love of the sport
PETER TARRY/TIMES NEWSPAPERS LTD
To create a team from nothing is both a marvellous and a fiendish experience. When we started, there was only Jane, who like me had administered an age group in which her son had played, and me. We had our moments, notably when Jane told me to take what John Arlott, the cricket writer, once described as “a spectacular if unlikely means of leaving”. One had to learn about periods, hormones, signs of possible abuse or depression, the child protection formalities — for the best reasons.

We were lucky — outrageously lucky — with our parents; pitchside and elsewhere, parents can be famously nightmarish. Four dads proved to have the rugby wisdom to help coaching. For next season, when we are running girls’ teams at three age groups, Jo and Mark are becoming age-group managers. The main club, ever supportive, are giving us new kit, fleeces and other support.

And our most priceless move of all? We felt strongly that the team needed a woman in charge, and did we ever find one. We were put in touch with Maud Muir, then an emerging 20-year-old prop with Wasps. We heard that she may want to add coaching to her CV. The girls adored her from the start. Then she made the England squad, came on as a replacement against New Zealand, helped to demolish their scrum and has played throughout the Six Nations.

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The girls have followed her like affectionate lambs. Emma, our cartoonist, has renamed our club Maudenhead. It all reminds you of the selflessness, the sense of wider responsibility, of the international women players of the era. Rugby for women and girls has so much about it that reminds you of some of the lost goodness of the male game.

Things really began to take off when we laid on a Friday night game in which the Abbey Club came to play in three age groups, with the youngest girls playing their own game in the in-goal. We had conceded a few tries in the under-13 game when suddenly Freida broke away from defence and started carving her way through.

She was running towards the tryline and the stand, which by now was filling with parents and guests and passers-by. As Freida approached the line, the whole stand rose in excitement. Freida touched down, and ran quickly back as if slightly embarrassed by the furore. A few of us felt embarrassed too, but only by the tears that had come to the eye.

Last week we heard that Maisie, one of some exceptional under-15 players that we have, had become our first representative player. She had made the county squad. Will it go to her head? That’s Maisie, who takes the warm-up; encourages everyone, welcomes newcomers, carries the tiny tot player round on her shoulders. So probably not.

And the personal highlight? Ellie was just too cold to play in the final game at Newbury. She was shivering audibly. We hoped that she was not put off. In our next game, she got the ball under pressure. She looked up, saw some space, and, holding the ball in two hands in front of her, carved beautifully and at pace though every line of the defence, and ran on to score. It was a crown jewel of a try.

It is too much to say that it was the moment that made all the hassle worthwhile, of course. Or is it?
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:42 pm A nice piece from Stephen Jones about the girl's tema he helped start:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/to-c ... 1650166117

RUGBY UNION | STEPHEN JONES
To create a team from nothing is both a marvellous and a fiendish experience

Stephen Jones
, Rugby Correspondent
Sunday April 17 2022, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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Only about a minute of play had elapsed at the ground of Newbury RFC, but already I wondered what on earth we had done. Should we run on and ask the referee to scrap the game?

It was the first time that a girls’ team representing our club, Maidenhead, had ever played. We had founded the section at the start of this season, with about four guaranteed attendees, and the aim of creating only an under-13 team. But the girls and their parents wanted to bring their siblings, other relations, school mates.

So suddenly we had about seven different age groups, a thundering great nightmare that needed coaching at seven different speeds, and yet a nightmare which, frankly, we were joyously happy to live through.

But back to Newbury panic stations. It was a day when one of those storms that they name had come raging in, with driving, sleet-laden, freezing rain that reduced the pitch to a quagmire. Exposure was a real danger.

And the rugby? Hard to watch. We had practised all the contact phases, taught them how to tackle safely, how to operate through the mini-breakdown phases that are allowed for the younger girls. The girls were anxious to play matches against another team and so we entered what is called a “pitch up and play” event at Newbury.

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What happens is that the local clubs bring whatever players they have — they may have 20 or two or anywhere in between, and teams are combined to make up the numbers. We had enough numbers for our own team, but no experience.

Jones oversees training at Maidenhead
Jones oversees training at Maidenhead
PETER TARRY/TIMES NEWSPAPERS LTD
We were quickly try after try down. Every time one of our girls approached contact or tried to make a tackle, I winced. Towards the end Ruth had scored a try, our try. Somehow the girls got through, walked off frozen stiff and soaked through.

We played a second game, in which our valiant Ruby started making some runs up the middle and Abi down the wing. But after the second game we dragged everyone back into the warmth of the clubhouse, and even though we were due to play one more game we decided to call the end of play on humanitarian grounds.

Then we were approached by a deputation. The girls wanted to play on. We had a show of hands. Almost everybody’s hand went up. They actually ran out, laughing their way to the pitches. At the end of the day the parents scraped away the mud, volunteered to launder the kit, made an inventory of the fingers and toes of their offspring, found all intact.

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Why so panicky? It is about 30 years since this newspaper first covered women’s rugby, decades before our rivals. I did realise that female players are tough as old boots, as well as men. And I realised that at the end of their first matches, there was something shining in the eyes of the team.

The experience has rekindled Jones’s love of the sport
The experience has rekindled Jones’s love of the sport
PETER TARRY/TIMES NEWSPAPERS LTD
To create a team from nothing is both a marvellous and a fiendish experience. When we started, there was only Jane, who like me had administered an age group in which her son had played, and me. We had our moments, notably when Jane told me to take what John Arlott, the cricket writer, once described as “a spectacular if unlikely means of leaving”. One had to learn about periods, hormones, signs of possible abuse or depression, the child protection formalities — for the best reasons.

We were lucky — outrageously lucky — with our parents; pitchside and elsewhere, parents can be famously nightmarish. Four dads proved to have the rugby wisdom to help coaching. For next season, when we are running girls’ teams at three age groups, Jo and Mark are becoming age-group managers. The main club, ever supportive, are giving us new kit, fleeces and other support.

And our most priceless move of all? We felt strongly that the team needed a woman in charge, and did we ever find one. We were put in touch with Maud Muir, then an emerging 20-year-old prop with Wasps. We heard that she may want to add coaching to her CV. The girls adored her from the start. Then she made the England squad, came on as a replacement against New Zealand, helped to demolish their scrum and has played throughout the Six Nations.

ADVERTISEMENT

The girls have followed her like affectionate lambs. Emma, our cartoonist, has renamed our club Maudenhead. It all reminds you of the selflessness, the sense of wider responsibility, of the international women players of the era. Rugby for women and girls has so much about it that reminds you of some of the lost goodness of the male game.

Things really began to take off when we laid on a Friday night game in which the Abbey Club came to play in three age groups, with the youngest girls playing their own game in the in-goal. We had conceded a few tries in the under-13 game when suddenly Freida broke away from defence and started carving her way through.

She was running towards the tryline and the stand, which by now was filling with parents and guests and passers-by. As Freida approached the line, the whole stand rose in excitement. Freida touched down, and ran quickly back as if slightly embarrassed by the furore. A few of us felt embarrassed too, but only by the tears that had come to the eye.

Last week we heard that Maisie, one of some exceptional under-15 players that we have, had become our first representative player. She had made the county squad. Will it go to her head? That’s Maisie, who takes the warm-up; encourages everyone, welcomes newcomers, carries the tiny tot player round on her shoulders. So probably not.

And the personal highlight? Ellie was just too cold to play in the final game at Newbury. She was shivering audibly. We hoped that she was not put off. In our next game, she got the ball under pressure. She looked up, saw some space, and, holding the ball in two hands in front of her, carved beautifully and at pace though every line of the defence, and ran on to score. It was a crown jewel of a try.

It is too much to say that it was the moment that made all the hassle worthwhile, of course. Or is it?
My Grandaughters u15 team played out at Newbury a few weeks back. We don't have enough players so we joined forces with another team. Started well when my girl set the winger free for a length of the pitch try - then we conceded about 8 tries before HT and another 8 in the 2nd half before we scored our 2nd. Nonetheless the girls loved it.

My Grandaughter just loves playing, despite getting battered and bruised - she's currently on crutches after breaking her ankle a couple of weeks back whilst at the County trials- she's itching to get back.
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eldanielfire wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:29 pm I mean the main attack appears to be from one player, and all she seems to say is she was not picked and had a breakdown on tour because she gets criticised, which all coaches must obviously do. There's an element of her being very "Gen Z" about this and the coach himself not having the resources or support from up above, COVID related difficulties and NZ management not putting much into the women's game.
Did you just not comprehend the mention of other players reporting similar issues with the guy?

Maybe they're all just Gen Z.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:55 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:29 pm I mean the main attack appears to be from one player, and all she seems to say is she was not picked and had a breakdown on tour because she gets criticised, which all coaches must obviously do. There's an element of her being very "Gen Z" about this and the coach himself not having the resources or support from up above, COVID related difficulties and NZ management not putting much into the women's game.
Did you just not comprehend the mention of other players reporting similar issues with the guy?

Maybe they're all just Gen Z.
That would be the vague assertions that aren't hugely explained. All we've massively got is a player not likely about being criticised and literally crying about it and not getting a phone call. I've seen and heard Welsh players talk bitterly about Warren Gatland at times about his demands, selection and dropping of players ruthlessly, doesn't mean he should have been fired or he was unprofessional. It's part of an elite sports environment. The players may not have liked it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. The fact ex-players have criticised the current lots attitude as well supports that somewhat.

Remember as similar situation occurred with Canada and ex-players specifically asserted afterwards they regretted their role and the move against the coach came from some cynical power plays who misrepresented what the coach did. What's clear here is there is very little actual examples.
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Ovals wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:07 pm
My Grandaughters u15 team played out at Newbury a few weeks back. We don't have enough players so we joined forces with another team. Started well when my girl set the winger free for a length of the pitch try - then we conceded about 8 tries before HT and another 8 in the 2nd half before we scored our 2nd. Nonetheless the girls loved it.

My Grandaughter just loves playing, despite getting battered and bruised - she's currently on crutches after breaking her ankle a couple of weeks back whilst at the County trials- she's itching to get back.
Nice to hear. I'm surprised the game wasn't called half way through the 2nd half and the teams mixed up. We've done that before. A really nice compliment we got was how our girls kept helping advice the other team a few months back, who were raw and newly put together when we mixed them up.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:06 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:55 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:29 pm I mean the main attack appears to be from one player, and all she seems to say is she was not picked and had a breakdown on tour because she gets criticised, which all coaches must obviously do. There's an element of her being very "Gen Z" about this and the coach himself not having the resources or support from up above, COVID related difficulties and NZ management not putting much into the women's game.
Did you just not comprehend the mention of other players reporting similar issues with the guy?

Maybe they're all just Gen Z.
That would be the vague assertions that aren't hugely explained. All we've massively got is a player not likely about being criticised and literally crying about it and not getting a phone call. I've seen and heard Welsh players talk bitterly about Warren Gatland at times about his demands, selection and dropping of players ruthlessly, doesn't mean he should have been fired or he was unprofessional. It's part of an elite sports environment. The players may not have liked it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. The fact ex-players have criticised the current lots attitude as well supports that somewhat.

Remember as similar situation occurred with Canada and ex-players specifically asserted afterwards they regretted their role and the move against the coach came from some cynical power plays who misrepresented what the coach did. What's clear here is there is very little actual examples.
Have you read NZ rugby’s report, or are you basing your comments just on what you have gleaned from social media?

More than 50 current and former players, managers and coaches were interviewed as part of the review, so while the review may have been instigated as a result of one player’s complaints, the results are based on a much wider evidence base.

There is a good article on the Guardian about this by Scrumqueen’s Ali Donnelly, who also draws comparisons with similar problems in Ireland and Canada

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... lack-ferns
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:06 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:55 am
eldanielfire wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:29 pm I mean the main attack appears to be from one player, and all she seems to say is she was not picked and had a breakdown on tour because she gets criticised, which all coaches must obviously do. There's an element of her being very "Gen Z" about this and the coach himself not having the resources or support from up above, COVID related difficulties and NZ management not putting much into the women's game.
Did you just not comprehend the mention of other players reporting similar issues with the guy?

Maybe they're all just Gen Z.
That would be the vague assertions that aren't hugely explained. All we've massively got is a player not likely about being criticised and literally crying about it and not getting a phone call. I've seen and heard Welsh players talk bitterly about Warren Gatland at times about his demands, selection and dropping of players ruthlessly, doesn't mean he should have been fired or he was unprofessional. It's part of an elite sports environment. The players may not have liked it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. The fact ex-players have criticised the current lots attitude as well supports that somewhat.

Remember as similar situation occurred with Canada and ex-players specifically asserted afterwards they regretted their role and the move against the coach came from some cynical power plays who misrepresented what the coach did. What's clear here is there is very little actual examples.
Vague assertions?

fuck off. There's no concrete evidence to support your notion about Te Kura either, other than what you've gathered from the suggestions made by some players.

I mean, strut about in here throwing your fancy lingo all you like but learn to handle those stillettoes before you totter off across the floorboards, know what I'm saying?
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Lobby wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:09 am

Have you read NZ rugby’s report, or are you basing your comments just on what you have gleaned from social media?

More than 50 current and former players, managers and coaches were interviewed as part of the review, so while the review may have been instigated as a result of one player’s complaints, the results are based on a much wider evidence base.

There is a good article on the Guardian about this by Scrumqueen’s Ali Donnelly, who also draws comparisons with similar problems in Ireland and Canada

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/ ... lack-ferns
That's a pretty decent critique from outside the NZ environment and it should send shock waves through the entire structure. My bet is it won't... this sums it up for me...
The New Zealand report made clear the Black Ferns are not being well served by management that is largely male and white, describing a shoddy recruitment culture where people are “tapped on the shoulder” and where little to no performance management happens.

Little wonder that when serious wellbeing issues arise, those involved are so poorly equipped to handle it, and that so few women are involved in coaching at the top of the game. It appears to be coming as a surprise to some governing bodies that women in 2022 are no longer happy to work with coaches and management who disparagingly comment on their weight, who make no effort to understand the personal circumstance of their lives, who communicate badly with them, who expect them to be grateful for being there at all and who are often underqualified for the challenges of their own roles.

it's only a perception but I reckon NZR have had it so good for so long with the onfield successes of their Mens' teams from Super Rugby up, that they've become stagnant, complacent and relatively inbred.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:10 am
Ovals wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:07 pm
My Grandaughters u15 team played out at Newbury a few weeks back. We don't have enough players so we joined forces with another team. Started well when my girl set the winger free for a length of the pitch try - then we conceded about 8 tries before HT and another 8 in the 2nd half before we scored our 2nd. Nonetheless the girls loved it.

My Grandaughter just loves playing, despite getting battered and bruised - she's currently on crutches after breaking her ankle a couple of weeks back whilst at the County trials- she's itching to get back.
Nice to hear. I'm surprised the game wasn't called half way through the 2nd half and the teams mixed up. We've done that before. A really nice compliment we got was how our girls kept helping advice the other team a few months back, who were raw and newly put together when we mixed them up.
I think they did change some players over - and it did help a bit - TBH I lost count of the scores so there was probably fewer score in the 2nd half. Most of our girls have only been playing for a few months. They always keep going though. Hopefully we'll manage to get a larger squad together next season - need to do more recruitment.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:26 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:06 am
Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:55 am

Did you just not comprehend the mention of other players reporting similar issues with the guy?

Maybe they're all just Gen Z.
That would be the vague assertions that aren't hugely explained. All we've massively got is a player not likely about being criticised and literally crying about it and not getting a phone call. I've seen and heard Welsh players talk bitterly about Warren Gatland at times about his demands, selection and dropping of players ruthlessly, doesn't mean he should have been fired or he was unprofessional. It's part of an elite sports environment. The players may not have liked it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. The fact ex-players have criticised the current lots attitude as well supports that somewhat.

Remember as similar situation occurred with Canada and ex-players specifically asserted afterwards they regretted their role and the move against the coach came from some cynical power plays who misrepresented what the coach did. What's clear here is there is very little actual examples.
Vague assertions?

fuck off. There's no concrete evidence to support your notion about Te Kura either, other than what you've gathered from the suggestions made by some players.

I mean, strut about in here throwing your fancy lingo all you like but learn to handle those stillettoes before you totter off across the floorboards, know what I'm saying?
I never said my assertions were concrete. It's my speculations on what events and evidence has been presented. I'm neither presenting it as fact or witness. Which agree or disagree is much better discussion that your wade into a thread, which has long been full of civil discussion without you, with your horrible big man internet act from 2005 and start attacking anyone you don't like and anything you don't like to hear as if it is well reasoned discussion.
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Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:36 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:10 am
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My Grandaughters u15 team played out at Newbury a few weeks back. We don't have enough players so we joined forces with another team. Started well when my girl set the winger free for a length of the pitch try - then we conceded about 8 tries before HT and another 8 in the 2nd half before we scored our 2nd. Nonetheless the girls loved it.

My Grandaughter just loves playing, despite getting battered and bruised - she's currently on crutches after breaking her ankle a couple of weeks back whilst at the County trials- she's itching to get back.
Nice to hear. I'm surprised the game wasn't called half way through the 2nd half and the teams mixed up. We've done that before. A really nice compliment we got was how our girls kept helping advice the other team a few months back, who were raw and newly put together when we mixed them up.
I think they did change some players over - and it did help a bit - TBH I lost count of the scores so there was probably fewer score in the 2nd half. Most of our girls have only been playing for a few months. They always keep going though. Hopefully we'll manage to get a larger squad together next season - need to do more recruitment.

Yeah recruitment has been tough due to COVID. Good luck. BTW, here's a link on how Leanne Riley, before she was Infante, started a Rugby team and made it a huge success. Here's was a pretty determined big effort but her words might help provide some advice for your end:

https://www.rugbycoachweekly.net/rugby- ... irls-team/
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:47 pm
Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:36 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:10 am

Nice to hear. I'm surprised the game wasn't called half way through the 2nd half and the teams mixed up. We've done that before. A really nice compliment we got was how our girls kept helping advice the other team a few months back, who were raw and newly put together when we mixed them up.
I think they did change some players over - and it did help a bit - TBH I lost count of the scores so there was probably fewer score in the 2nd half. Most of our girls have only been playing for a few months. They always keep going though. Hopefully we'll manage to get a larger squad together next season - need to do more recruitment.

Yeah recruitment has been tough due to COVID. Good luck. BTW, here's a link on how Leanne Riley, before she was Infante, started a Rugby team and made it a huge success. Here's was a pretty determined big effort but her words might help provide some advice for your end:

https://www.rugbycoachweekly.net/rugby- ... irls-team/
Thanks - that will be useful. I'm soon likely to get involved, probably as chair, of the club with about 300 youth players and an embryo girls section. We have a problem that a nearby team appears to be hoovering up all the girls from all around our area. It's going to take a huge effort to get enough players to achieve a critical mass.
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Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:14 pm

Thanks - that will be useful. I'm soon likely to get involved, probably as chair, of the club with about 300 youth players and an embryo girls section. We have a problem that a nearby team appears to be hoovering up all the girls from all around our area. It's going to take a huge effort to get enough players to achieve a critical mass.
That's an issue in a few places I've seen.

I think a great quote that came from Judy Murray about it all is the 3 pillars of what makes girl's sport successful is 'Fun, Friendship and Fitness'. Focus on ensuring all of that and you'll find success over time. What I've also found helps, when you have small numbers work with another local club in combining sessions to make the numbers larger.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:35 pm
Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:14 pm

Thanks - that will be useful. I'm soon likely to get involved, probably as chair, of the club with about 300 youth players and an embryo girls section. We have a problem that a nearby team appears to be hoovering up all the girls from all around our area. It's going to take a huge effort to get enough players to achieve a critical mass.
That's an issue in a few places I've seen.

I think a great quote that came from Judy Murray about it all is the 3 pillars of what makes girl's sport successful is 'Fun, Friendship and Fitness'. Focus on ensuring all of that and you'll find success over time. What I've also found helps, when you have small numbers work with another local club in combining sessions to make the numbers larger.
Yes, they've already started working with other clubs to increase numbers for training and games. It's a vicious circle - not having enough players makes the ones we have look elsewhere - to the club that already has all the players. But I think we can do a lot more by working with the nearby schools - and that also applies to the lads side of the club. I think there's an enormous amount of work to be done - but at least we have a very healthy bank balance !! 1st task will be to recruit lots of volunteers - next task a huge recruitment drive.

I'm sure I'll be calling on the expertise on here - I've Chaired some successful Sports Clubs but doing so in Rugby is new to me. I've booked myself on a Rugby Refs course so I can help out with the whistle !!!
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Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 6:59 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:35 pm
Ovals wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 5:14 pm

Thanks - that will be useful. I'm soon likely to get involved, probably as chair, of the club with about 300 youth players and an embryo girls section. We have a problem that a nearby team appears to be hoovering up all the girls from all around our area. It's going to take a huge effort to get enough players to achieve a critical mass.
That's an issue in a few places I've seen.

I think a great quote that came from Judy Murray about it all is the 3 pillars of what makes girl's sport successful is 'Fun, Friendship and Fitness'. Focus on ensuring all of that and you'll find success over time. What I've also found helps, when you have small numbers work with another local club in combining sessions to make the numbers larger.
Yes, they've already started working with other clubs to increase numbers for training and games. It's a vicious circle - not having enough players makes the ones we have look elsewhere - to the club that already has all the players. But I think we can do a lot more by working with the nearby schools - and that also applies to the lads side of the club. I think there's an enormous amount of work to be done - but at least we have a very healthy bank balance !! 1st task will be to recruit lots of volunteers - next task a huge recruitment drive.

I'm sure I'll be calling on the expertise on here - I've Chaired some successful Sports Clubs but doing so in Rugby is new to me. I've booked myself on a Rugby Refs course so I can help out with the whistle !!!
Good stuff. SaintK's local club BTW has possibly one of the most successful girl's programs in the whole country. They got it nailed down it.
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eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:45 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:26 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 7:06 am

That would be the vague assertions that aren't hugely explained. All we've massively got is a player not likely about being criticised and literally crying about it and not getting a phone call. I've seen and heard Welsh players talk bitterly about Warren Gatland at times about his demands, selection and dropping of players ruthlessly, doesn't mean he should have been fired or he was unprofessional. It's part of an elite sports environment. The players may not have liked it, that doesn't mean it's wrong. The fact ex-players have criticised the current lots attitude as well supports that somewhat.

Remember as similar situation occurred with Canada and ex-players specifically asserted afterwards they regretted their role and the move against the coach came from some cynical power plays who misrepresented what the coach did. What's clear here is there is very little actual examples.
Vague assertions?

fuck off. There's no concrete evidence to support your notion about Te Kura either, other than what you've gathered from the suggestions made by some players.

I mean, strut about in here throwing your fancy lingo all you like but learn to handle those stillettoes before you totter off across the floorboards, know what I'm saying?
I never said my assertions were concrete. It's my speculations on what events and evidence has been presented. I'm neither presenting it as fact or witness. Which agree or disagree is much better discussion that your wade into a thread, which has long been full of civil discussion without you, with your horrible big man internet act from 2005 and start attacking anyone you don't like and anything you don't like to hear as if it is well reasoned discussion.
Ok, massive over reaction from you, then.

Read the exchange. I pointed out you were missing feedback that contradicted your point... a point which essentially attacked one player based on hearsay. You write that feedback off as simple assertions. What that does is set your opinion up as some sort of authoritative viewpoint. You compound that by writing off my point as based on vague assertions.

This is dishonest and scurrilous posting.

As for the rest of it about big man style posting... sorry, you just didn't get the joke. I could have been aggressive but I made light of it.

We've had exchanges of this type for years... you and I. The fact that you've posted in this thread already certainly doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion, especially when it's my national team under discussion.

No apology needed.
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Guy Smiley wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:11 am
eldanielfire wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:45 pm
Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 8:26 am

Vague assertions?

fuck off. There's no concrete evidence to support your notion about Te Kura either, other than what you've gathered from the suggestions made by some players.

I mean, strut about in here throwing your fancy lingo all you like but learn to handle those stillettoes before you totter off across the floorboards, know what I'm saying?
I never said my assertions were concrete. It's my speculations on what events and evidence has been presented. I'm neither presenting it as fact or witness. Which agree or disagree is much better discussion that your wade into a thread, which has long been full of civil discussion without you, with your horrible big man internet act from 2005 and start attacking anyone you don't like and anything you don't like to hear as if it is well reasoned discussion.
Ok, massive over reaction from you, then.

Read the exchange. I pointed out you were missing feedback that contradicted your point... a point which essentially attacked one player based on hearsay. You write that feedback off as simple assertions. What that does is set your opinion up as some sort of authoritative viewpoint. You compound that by writing off my point as based on vague assertions.

This is dishonest and scurrilous posting.
Expressing sceptism about a vague account of things that contradicts Moore's history and by Moore himself is not dishonest. I alos never claimed my viewpoint was authoritive. Your attacks appear to be abse dentire on taking some obvious speculation and discussion on the different takes of the manner as me stating outright that another turn of events as fact, which I did not.


As for the rest of it about big man style posting... sorry, you just didn't get the joke. I could have been aggressive but I made light of it.

We've had exchanges of this type for years... you and I. The fact that you've posted in this thread already certainly doesn't disqualify me from having an opinion, especially when it's my national team under discussion.

No apology needed.
No you've butt in to attack for years, I may reply in kind, I may discuss, but I tend not to join a discussion to attack posters personally, and only generally do so when they kick it off.
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Ireland are losing their 7's players. Just wnat any team wants against England this weekend.
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eldanielfire wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:45 pm Ireland are losing their 7's players. Just wnat any team wants against England this weekend.
That's a bit frustrating - they've lost over half their team to the 7s and injuries. Could be ridiculously one sided. Rather sad that the 7s is taking priority over the 6N but I guess they'll be more competitive there than in a 15 a side game that they know they'll get thrashed in anyway. Clearly there's been a bit of a scheduling blunder.
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Ovals wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:27 pm
eldanielfire wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:45 pm Ireland are losing their 7's players. Just wnat any team wants against England this weekend.
That's a bit frustrating - they've lost over half their team to the 7s and injuries. Could be ridiculously one sided. Rather sad that the 7s is taking priority over the 6N but I guess they'll be more competitive there than in a 15 a side game that they know they'll get thrashed in anyway. Clearly there's been a bit of a scheduling blunder.
Interesting to put so many of them into the XVs, knowing they'd have tournaments (and 7s WC this year?) when the XVs team is NOT in the WC this year. Could have used these games to give the newbs full matches. Though I guess it really doesn't matter when you look at it the other way, as they've got a couple of wins from it and the don't have a WC to prepare for?
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Some rugby people... more and more, perhaps? ... are complete cnuts. I think many of us will scrutinize poor decisions, as we do with players (from the lofty position of our armchairs as sad as that is :smile: :oops: ), but we're not likely to shout out abuse or go after them in person on social media. What's wrong with these people?

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Niegs wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:17 am Some rugby people... more and more, perhaps? ... are complete cnuts. I think many of us will scrutinize poor decisions, as we do with players (from the lofty position of our armchairs as sad as that is :smile: :oops: ), but we're not likely to shout out abuse or go after them in person on social media. What's wrong with these people?

Amazing. I'll give the "In earshock" comemts like shocking a pass, some refs are shocking. But the insults and swearing and swearing at the ref are unacceptable. I hope it was reported. I'm happy to criticism refs, but I won't slag them off to their faces and accept it can be a hard job, it's why I try to only criticise the stuff they see and don't act with consistency or the rules.
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eldanielfire wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:39 am
Niegs wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:17 am Some rugby people... more and more, perhaps? ... are complete cnuts. I think many of us will scrutinize poor decisions, as we do with players (from the lofty position of our armchairs as sad as that is :smile: :oops: ), but we're not likely to shout out abuse or go after them in person on social media. What's wrong with these people?

Amazing. I'll give the "In earshock" comemts like shocking a pass, some refs are shocking. But the insults and swearing and swearing at the ref are unacceptable. I hope it was reported. I'm happy to criticism refs, but I won't slag them off to their faces and accept it can be a hard job, it's why I try to only criticise the stuff they see and don't act with consistency or the rules.
From the social media sphere (not that it should be surprised that its full of angry dickheads), there's also a massive amount of scrutiny on a tiny number of mistakes in what's possibly the most dynamic sport out there, where many players are testing the boundaries of what they can get away with (so much so that the powers that be actually ignore a lot of infractions in an attempt to not continually blow the whistle).

That one person and their (sometimes bafflingly silent/unhelpful) assistants can deal with it all given where they stand, all of the top level people do a pretty damn good job! I think high school football has four officials for a less-dynamic game (NFL 7?), basketball two or three for a third of the players and in a much tinier space!

In some of my first first games, I was occasionally in the way (sorted that out fairly quick, but spoiled a few plays), often unsighted (no touchies I could trust as they were usually teenaged bench players or parents who didn't know much), and asked to watch for punches from both sides, which I never saw because the buggers carefully did it behind my back.
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Wayne Smith named as new Black Ferns coach, with Steve Hansen’s daughter one of the assistants. They’ll have Mike Cron helping out too… this is a serious step up for NZR to invest like this into the team. I hope it works for them and they can get some improvement into their system…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/465654 ... erns-coach
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Guy Smiley wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:51 am Wayne Smith named as new Black Ferns coach, with Steve Hansen’s daughter one of the assistants. They’ll have Mike Cron helping out too… this is a serious step up for NZR to invest like this into the team. I hope it works for them and they can get some improvement into their system…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/465654 ... erns-coach
Great news after the Moore fiasco.

Some of the revelations in Mark Reason's article on the review process are a bit concerning...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/1 ... s-meltdown
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