Suez canal blocked

[TB63]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CM5Si-QH ... mdfxros7qx

[Torquemada 1420]

One (at least) fore and aft then for that manoeuvrability? Upside down Chinook?

[TB63]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

[Torquemada 1420]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

Which would imply the mounting must be near to the centre of gravity for the boat: at least in the horizontal plan.

Impressive stuff. Wonder what reliability is like? Must be damned expensive to start with.

[shaggy]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

Correct. Harbour tugs can achieve that with a single unit mounted amidships.

[shaggy]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

Which would imply the mounting must be near to the centre of gravity for the boat: at least in the horizontal plan.

Impressive stuff. Wonder what reliability is like? Must be damned expensive to start with.

Been a while since I last looked at them but they are more expensive to purchase when compared to the alternatives, reliability only becomes an issue in shallow water (from memory) but they can be bit thirsty on fuel.

What is really interesting is that they actively reduce roll motions which makes them a solid alternative in other areas more offshore - vessels that are operating as floating hotels.

[Torquemada 1420]

Interesting read

ITF (2015), "The Impact of Mega-Ships", International Transport Forum Policy Papers, No. 10, OECD Publishing, Paris,
https://doi.org/10.1787/5jlwvzcm3j9v-en

[TB63]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

Correct. Harbour tugs can achieve that with a single unit mounted amidships.

Think that one has it mounted more to the stern from the wash coming off it. I was looking for the clip of one that has a twin setup, fore and aft, turning completely 360 degree, gunnels under water!..

[Torquemada 1420]

From memory that's a single unit setup, just shows the ability to vector the thrust with these units..

Correct. Harbour tugs can achieve that with a single unit mounted amidships.

Think that one has it mounted more to the stern from the wash coming off it. I was looking for the clip of one that has a twin setup, fore and aft, turning completely 360 degree, gunnels under water!..

Thinking of other issues
1) This set up must be more prone to damage from water debris (conventional props might be saved by the hull) or grounding. Do they use guards and, if so, would that not impact efficiency?
2) Can't imagine this is great for marine life although I suppose you would not encounter this set up in deeper waters too often?

[Torquemada 1420]

And it has been considered for aircraft!

https://www.inceptivemind.com/cyclogyro ... les/15898/

Not sure, given complexity, costs and redundancy/safety issues that you'd see any use beyond drones and even then, not enough advantage over trad set ups. Drone tech looks more likely to head this way
https://zerozero.tech/

[TB63]

Correct. Harbour tugs can achieve that with a single unit mounted amidships.

Think that one has it mounted more to the stern from the wash coming off it. I was looking for the clip of one that has a twin setup, fore and aft, turning completely 360 degree, gunnels under water!..

Thinking of other issues
1) This set up must be more prone to damage from water debris (conventional props might be saved by the hull) or grounding. Do they use guards and, if so, would that not impact efficiency?
2) Can't imagine this is great for marine life although I suppose you would not encounter this set up in deeper waters too often?

Harbour tugs have guards under and to the side, deep water normally don't, and they're quite slow rotational wise. The power comes from the angle of attack per blade..

[Uncle fester]

Free now apparently

[Torquemada 1420]

Free now apparently

Presumably not to someone's bank account!

[shaggy]

Free now apparently

Presumably not to someone's bank account!

That all depends on what contract was used for the salvage terms & conditions. If they adopted Lloyd’s Open Form the liabilities will be better known. If they were influenced to go another route it could get messy.

[Enzedder]

They wouldn't have accepted salvage rates but more like they hired the diggers and tugs.

[shaggy]

They wouldn't have accepted salvage rates but more like they hired the diggers and tugs.

Smit Salvage were engaged.

[Sandstorm]

[Lobby]

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

That all depends on what contract was used for the salvage terms & conditions. If they adopted Lloyd’s Open Form the liabilities will be better known. If they were influenced to go another route it could get messy.

Messy it is then:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56743556

[shaggy]

That all depends on what contract was used for the salvage terms & conditions. If they adopted Lloyd’s Open Form the liabilities will be better known. If they were influenced to go another route it could get messy.

Messy it is then:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56743556

The Egyptian authorities are legendary in their ability to resolve all manner of complex issues via the simple exchange of USD. Although, the sums quoted are not fully related to Salvage, this is now an insurance matter, but if the owners did not follow the terms of their policy then they will be fully liable. Seen this outcome before a few times there.

[Calculon]

Poor crew, but isn't impounding the ship pretty much SOP in these cases?

[Torquemada 1420]

That all depends on what contract was used for the salvage terms & conditions. If they adopted Lloyd’s Open Form the liabilities will be better known. If they were influenced to go another route it could get messy.

Messy it is then:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56743556

The Egyptian authorities are legendary in their ability to resolve all manner of complex issues via the simple exchange of USD. Although, the sums quoted are not fully related to Salvage, this is now an insurance matter, but if the owners did not follow the terms of their policy then they will be fully liable. Seen this outcome before a few times there.

What do we reckon the ship and cargo is worth?

[Sandstorm]

Messy it is then:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56743556

The Egyptian authorities are legendary in their ability to resolve all manner of complex issues via the simple exchange of USD. Although, the sums quoted are not fully related to Salvage, this is now an insurance matter, but if the owners did not follow the terms of their policy then they will be fully liable. Seen this outcome before a few times there.

What do we reckon the ship and cargo is worth?

It's worth £2.80 to me (cost of Amazon cat-hair comb still stuck on board)

[mat the expat]

It's worth £2.80 to me (cost of Amazon cat-hair comb still stuck on board)

[ScarfaceClaw]

It's worth £2.80 to me (cost of Amazon cat-hair comb still stuck on board)

:grin: :grin:

It’s probably got my new laptop on it. Fk you Dell.