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JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

SaintK wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:17 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

.....and it includes some coaching as well evidently

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

Kawazaki wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:43 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

The commute to training is a real pisser though.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:45 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:43 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

The commute to training is a real pisser though.

He's been working very hard on his speed I'll have you know

Slick wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:01 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:45 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:43 pm

The commute to training is a real pisser though.

He's been working very hard on his speed I'll have you know

Just passing to go then.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm I am far more emotionally invested in the fact that you lot seem utterly incapable of reading and understanding basic sentences, I made my peace with the club's fuckup a while back

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:02 am

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:13 pm I am far more emotionally invested in the fact that you lot seem utterly incapable of reading and understanding basic sentences, I made my peace with the club's fuckup a while back

So all this bad action on the part of Quins is something you've resolved to not give a shit about anyway?

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:55 am Looking at it purely from following the team, next season we'll have a bunch of exciting players looking to play 15 and maybe Nick David from Worcs too.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

JM2K6 wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:20 pm Leave the jokes to funny people.

Biffer wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 4:22 pm If he’s going to play anywhere else they’ll need to pay him to ride the pine for a while now.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:11 pm He got the contract he asked Quins for at Newcastle, you dunderheads

fark

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

Slick wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:04 am

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

Genuinely unsure if this is joke?

That was deliberate and malicious. Not sure how you can claim it was accidental but also due to provocation.

Hasn’t he got previous history of stamping on someone holding his leg when playing for England?

Apart from that, good post.

fishfoodie wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:55 pm

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

Okay.

Now what would you be saying if some Irish Lock, with a similar previous record, had done the same thing to Marcus Smith ?

Slick wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:04 am Hasn’t he got previous history of stamping on someone holding his leg when playing for England?

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:24 am

Slick wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:04 am Hasn’t he got previous history of stamping on someone holding his leg when playing for England?

See my post above ^^^^

Not quite. Murray was holding the ball I think and Brown lashed out with his boot.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:28 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:24 am

Slick wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 4:04 am Hasn’t he got previous history of stamping on someone holding his leg when playing for England?

See my post above ^^^^

Not quite. Murray was holding the ball I think and Brown lashed out with his boot.

No. Brown kicked at the ball several times and caught Murray on the back swing once, during a period where kicking the ball through the ruck was a successful England tactic. Complete accident, and totally different to this situation.

Probably one of the reasons why the tactic was outlawed - the other being we were a little too good at it and ruining a lot of ball.

Paddington Bear wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:47 am Have to say on first look I thought he'd done it either deliberately or accidentally on purpose. Not 100% on that after a few replays, but at best it was very, very stupid.

RE: Brown shoeing someone for England - there was a lot made of it at the time but it was clearly an accident, not convinced you'd get away with it today

JM2K6 wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:30 pm Would be surprised if it was a long ban. No previous history, no damage done (so a step rather than stomp - although for some reason Wasps bandaged Taylor up, but when the bandages came off later he was unscathed), reasonable case could be made that in realtime it looks like he just loses balance (not enough for it to be purely accidental IMO, but they may see it differently), and of course the provocation of Taylor repeatedly holding his leg. Of all that, the ones that probably matter are the clean record and the lack of force, but it's still dangerous and will still probably end his season.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:58 am Jesus fuck

Seriously, do you guys not understand that I am talking about a) the various ways the defence will attempt to mitigate it and b) what the commission may or may not do? I can guarantee you they're not going to go in there and scream "you dirty bastard" at him. Why do you think I covered the various things that the panel looks at when determining the sanction? I am literally just pointing out the ways in which the ban can be reduced and people are behaving like I've launched into a full throated defence of him

Kawazaki wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:01 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:58 am Jesus fuck

Seriously, do you guys not understand that I am talking about a) the various ways the defence will attempt to mitigate it and b) what the commission may or may not do? I can guarantee you they're not going to go in there and scream "you dirty bastard" at him. Why do you think I covered the various things that the panel looks at when determining the sanction? I am literally just pointing out the ways in which the ban can be reduced and people are behaving like I've launched into a full throated defence of him

Whinging about Wasps having the temerity to look after their player was the real cherry on top to be honest.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:16 am But because it's me, and because it's Mike Brown, a player who many of you dislike for your own reasons, the red mist descends whenever I post about him so you think I'm saying one thing when I'm saying another.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:16 am

Kawazaki wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:01 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 7:58 am Jesus fuck

Seriously, do you guys not understand that I am talking about a) the various ways the defence will attempt to mitigate it and b) what the commission may or may not do? I can guarantee you they're not going to go in there and scream "you dirty bastard" at him. Why do you think I covered the various things that the panel looks at when determining the sanction? I am literally just pointing out the ways in which the ban can be reduced and people are behaving like I've launched into a full throated defence of him

Whinging about Wasps having the temerity to look after their player was the real cherry on top to be honest.

Yes, that was a little jab at Wasps for bandaging up a player who didn't have a cut. Tiny bit of shithousery on my part (and also on theirs, tbf). But also making the point that the level of force seemed pretty minimal as it was a step rather than a full blooded stomp and didn't do any visible damage we could see when the bandage was off (which is part of the whole 'step/stomp' discussion).

Again, panels look for reasons to reduce the sanction. It's not a defence of Mike Brown to point out the ways in which the panel may well cut down the ban. It's also not saying it's not ban-worthy. But because it's me, and because it's Mike Brown, a player who many of you dislike for your own reasons, the red mist descends whenever I post about him so you think I'm saying one thing when I'm saying another.

Here's some more context:

Morgan Allen, guilty of stamping on an opponent's head, 3 week ban (reduced from six weeks due to clean record, guilty plea, expression of remorse)
Connacht prop Robertson-McCoy, same offence, 6 weeks down from 12 for stamping on the head of van der Flier
Tom Wood, who walked into a ruck looking at his opponent and stepped straight on his face, banned for 6 weeks (and he has a much worse record than Brown)

Just saying, you guys who think this is top-end and it'll be a long ban are likely to be surprised when the final judgment comes in. There's plenty of reasons why a panel might cut this down and they usually don't hesitate to do so.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:16 am But because it's me, and because it's Mike Brown, a player who many of you dislike for your own reasons, the red mist descends whenever I post about him so you think I'm saying one thing when I'm saying another.

Brown is a mixed bag for me. On the one hand, I do respect (even admire) his working class background not stopping him making it all the way in rugby and his commitment and determination: at the top of the definition of fierce competitor. But the flip side (like Sinckler it seems) is part of his drive stems from a serious chip about his background and that results in outcomes the wrong side of the line.

ASMO wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 9:58 am Regardless of no previous, no provocation warrants stamping on someones face, it was not accidental by any stretch, i suspect he wont play again this season, sad for him but it was utterly brainless and was lucky it did not result in serious injury