GogLais wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:41 pm
Apparently the Gov’t will do whatever it takes to stop it. This is where my libertarian side kicks in - my first thought is that it isn’t a matter for HMG - it’s one for the clubs and their customers and sponsors.
So leave it to the market? Where do the common goods and non financial aspects of football clubs come in to that then? Or by libertarian do you just mean traditional neoclassical economics?
Well as I said later it isn't something I'm hardline about but I don't think the Government should be concerning itself with whether Liverpool play Madrid or Leicester City on a Wednesday night. There are very few films or TV programmes made that I like but I don't expect Boris to do anything about it, I'll do something else instead.
Way to miss the point. What films are there that are borne out of a particular community and provide a regular hub of community activity? The statement you've made reflects exactly what I've posted. Extreme laissez faire economics.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
So leave it to the market? Where do the common goods and non financial aspects of football clubs come in to that then? Or by libertarian do you just mean traditional neoclassical economics?
Well as I said later it isn't something I'm hardline about but I don't think the Government should be concerning itself with whether Liverpool play Madrid or Leicester City on a Wednesday night. There are very few films or TV programmes made that I like but I don't expect Boris to do anything about it, I'll do something else instead.
Way to miss the point. What films are there that are borne out of a particular community and provide a regular hub of community activity? The statement you've made reflects exactly what I've posted. Extreme laissez faire economics.
I dont think it's an economics thing for me, it's more about the role of government.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Well as I said later it isn't something I'm hardline about but I don't think the Government should be concerning itself with whether Liverpool play Madrid or Leicester City on a Wednesday night. There are very few films or TV programmes made that I like but I don't expect Boris to do anything about it, I'll do something else instead.
Way to miss the point. What films are there that are borne out of a particular community and provide a regular hub of community activity? The statement you've made reflects exactly what I've posted. Extreme laissez faire economics.
I dont think it's an economics thing for me, it's more about the role of government.
Politics 101 - The Role of Government, is to get re-elected !
The Tories see this as a way to gain favor with a demographic that normally pay SFA attention to Politics; & so hope to make a positive impression, & get a few extra votes.
What would be really funny, would be if the investigation they've triggered, actually recommended that the clubs be converted to the German style of fan ownership, & then the Tories faced a tide of demands to follow thru on their promises
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Well as I said later it isn't something I'm hardline about but I don't think the Government should be concerning itself with whether Liverpool play Madrid or Leicester City on a Wednesday night. There are very few films or TV programmes made that I like but I don't expect Boris to do anything about it, I'll do something else instead.
Way to miss the point. What films are there that are borne out of a particular community and provide a regular hub of community activity? The statement you've made reflects exactly what I've posted. Extreme laissez faire economics.
I dont think it's an economics thing for me, it's more about the role of government.
The role of government is, at its heart, an economic decision. It's the fundamental definition of what government is, going right back to John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith. The decision of large vs small government is one of how managed or free you want your economy to be and how much of your society you open to market forces.
Laissez faire proponents try to portray it as some kind of moral decision, but that's a fallacy designed to try to give them a personal sense of moral superiority.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:19 pm
by Kiwias
John Henry, owner of Liverpool FC, made a very classy apology.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:58 am
by Hugo
Whats that old phrase - it's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission. There's nothing classy about that apology. They furloughed non playing staff last year and when they got hammered for it in the press they had to do a U turn and apologise.
Fenway sports are just your common or garden American corporate types trying to see what they can get away with. They are hoping with this apology this whole thing will just blow over.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:09 am
by Paddington Bear
Rumours in The Sun and elsewhere of a plan for a 'British Super League' i.e. inviting Rangers and Celtic into a slimmed down Premier League.
I can see the appeal for the Old Firm and for Scottish football as a whole, not convinced I see benefits for English football. Celtic in particular will, at least partially deliberately, bring out the absolute worst in English football fans and we can do without yelling about the IRA every weekend.
I also get the argument about shared experiences either side of the border encouraging support for the Union, but Chelsea's two away days in Glasgow achieving that is galaxy brain stuff.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:03 am
by Torquemada 1420
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:09 am
Rumours in The Sun and elsewhere of a plan for a 'British Super League' i.e. inviting Rangers and Celtic into a slimmed down Premier League.
I can see the appeal for the Old Firm and for Scottish football as a whole, not convinced I see benefits for English football. Celtic in particular will, at least partially deliberately, bring out the absolute worst in English football fans and we can do without yelling about the IRA every weekend.
I also get the argument about shared experiences either side of the border encouraging support for the Union, but Chelsea's two away days in Glasgow achieving that is galaxy brain stuff.
No. Seriously.
Rangers and Celtic would struggle in the Championship.
On the wider issue of the "Super League": shoulda let the c**ts all go. They would have no fans and be out of business within a couple of years.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:09 am
Rumours in The Sun and elsewhere of a plan for a 'British Super League' i.e. inviting Rangers and Celtic into a slimmed down Premier League.
I can see the appeal for the Old Firm and for Scottish football as a whole, not convinced I see benefits for English football. Celtic in particular will, at least partially deliberately, bring out the absolute worst in English football fans and we can do without yelling about the IRA every weekend.
I also get the argument about shared experiences either side of the border encouraging support for the Union, but Chelsea's two away days in Glasgow achieving that is galaxy brain stuff.
No. Seriously.
Rangers and Celtic would struggle in the Championship.
On the wider issue of the "Super League": shoulda let the c**ts all go. They would have no fans and be out of business within a couple of years.
Rangers and Celtic with TV money and a couple of years would perform fine, they’re bigger clubs than most English ones. My objection isn’t about the on field side
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Way to miss the point. What films are there that are borne out of a particular community and provide a regular hub of community activity? The statement you've made reflects exactly what I've posted. Extreme laissez faire economics.
I dont think it's an economics thing for me, it's more about the role of government.
The role of government is, at its heart, an economic decision. It's the fundamental definition of what government is, going right back to John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith. The decision of large vs small government is one of how managed or free you want your economy to be and how much of your society you open to market forces.
Laissez faire proponents try to portray it as some kind of moral decision, but that's a fallacy designed to try to give them a personal sense of moral superiority.
It would be odd if I based my opinions on what made me feel morally inferior. We all have a level where we think the Government doesn’t need to be involved in our lives and it sounds as though the threshold is higher for me than it is for you. The fact that I least question whether the Government should be involved in this doesn’t make me a Thatcherite extremist.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
I dont think it's an economics thing for me, it's more about the role of government.
The role of government is, at its heart, an economic decision. It's the fundamental definition of what government is, going right back to John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith. The decision of large vs small government is one of how managed or free you want your economy to be and how much of your society you open to market forces.
Laissez faire proponents try to portray it as some kind of moral decision, but that's a fallacy designed to try to give them a personal sense of moral superiority.
It would be odd if I based my opinions on what made me feel morally inferior. We all have a level where we think the Government doesn’t need to be involved in our lives and it sounds as though the threshold is higher for me than it is for you. The fact that I least question whether the Government should be involved in this doesn’t make me a Thatcherite extremist.
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
The role of government is, at its heart, an economic decision. It's the fundamental definition of what government is, going right back to John Stuart Mill and Adam Smith. The decision of large vs small government is one of how managed or free you want your economy to be and how much of your society you open to market forces.
Laissez faire proponents try to portray it as some kind of moral decision, but that's a fallacy designed to try to give them a personal sense of moral superiority.
It would be odd if I based my opinions on what made me feel morally inferior. We all have a level where we think the Government doesn’t need to be involved in our lives and it sounds as though the threshold is higher for me than it is for you. The fact that I least question whether the Government should be involved in this doesn’t make me a Thatcherite extremist.
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:13 pm
by Torquemada 1420
Paddington Bear wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:34 am
Rangers and Celtic with TV money and a couple of years would perform fine, they’re bigger clubs than most English ones.
Your evidence for that is where? Considering the track record of £ funds they have had at their disposal (or not..... in the case of Rangers) and their European performances.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
GogLais wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:45 am
It would be odd if I based my opinions on what made me feel morally inferior. We all have a level where we think the Government doesn’t need to be involved in our lives and it sounds as though the threshold is higher for me than it is for you. The fact that I least question whether the Government should be involved in this doesn’t make me a Thatcherite extremist.
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
You were the one that couched it in political terms which are inherently linked to hard line economic theory.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
You were the one that couched it in political terms which are inherently linked to hard line economic theory.
Yes. And? I’ve seen fit to comment on one specific example, that doesn’t oblige me to write a treatise on the topic in general. As regards hard line economic theory, I’m not arguing for scrapping employment rights or health and safety legislation or whatever.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
You were the one that couched it in political terms which are inherently linked to hard line economic theory.
Yes. And? I’ve seen fit to comment on one specific example, that doesn’t oblige me to write a treatise on the topic in general. As regards hard line economic theory, I’m not arguing for scrapping employment rights or health and safety legislation or whatever.
People throw the term libertarian about and often don’t know what it means. A recent poll found only 11% of people who referred to themselves as libertarian actually understood what it meant.
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
GogLais wrote: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:45 am
It would be odd if I based my opinions on what made me feel morally inferior. We all have a level where we think the Government doesn’t need to be involved in our lives and it sounds as though the threshold is higher for me than it is for you. The fact that I least question whether the Government should be involved in this doesn’t make me a Thatcherite extremist.
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
Sorry mate, that was really aimed more at Biffer than yourself
Re: Breakaway European "Super League" for football
What level of govt interference is appropriate in sport? And which sports should it apply to?
That general question is more a topic for a book or at least a newspaper article than for musing here. To re-repeat myself I was simply questioning whether BoJo’s response was appropriate in this case.
Sorry mate, that was really aimed more at Biffer than yourself
Like everything else, government sets the framework within which it's run and protects those things that are of non-monetary (societal, environmental etc) value.
