Re: New Zealand Rugby set to ditch SANZAAR, Super Rugby - report
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:43 pm
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Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:43 pmShanky's mate. Black user name suggests he belongs to a NZ group.
Wasn't it the case that some of those Brumbies players of that era were rejects from NSW and QLD rather than players that were actively poached?FujiKiwi wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:59 amThose Brumbie teams were the heart of the success the Australian team achieved in that era.Ellafan wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 am Last night we watched two Manly players - Hodge and Meakes - pull the rebels back into the game at Brookvale.
Let's face it, if those blokes hadn't been poached from NSW they would be playing for the 'tahs.
The rot set in when the brumbies were fabricated and started poaching the likes of Sterling Mortlock (Gordon) and George Smith (Manly).
It's time to end the bleeding, and get some quality back into our traditional; teams.
Yes. There was a great deal of pride at the Brumbies for being rejects who did well and that fuelled some tasty clashes.Hugo wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:15 pmWasn't it the case that some of those Brumbies players of that era were rejects from NSW and QLD rather than players that were actively poached?FujiKiwi wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:59 amThose Brumbie teams were the heart of the success the Australian team achieved in that era.Ellafan wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 am Last night we watched two Manly players - Hodge and Meakes - pull the rebels back into the game at Brookvale.
Let's face it, if those blokes hadn't been poached from NSW they would be playing for the 'tahs.
The rot set in when the brumbies were fabricated and started poaching the likes of Sterling Mortlock (Gordon) and George Smith (Manly).
It's time to end the bleeding, and get some quality back into our traditional; teams.
I may be completely wrong but I seem to recall Rod Maqueen telling it that way in his book.
RUGBY
Super Rugby shouldn't be diluted, says Highlanders assistant coach Tony Brown
11/08/2020
John Day
Rugby Australia has issued its NZ counterparts an ultimatum over the future of Super Rugby.
Chiefs executive Rob Clarke has given NZ Rugby three weeks to accept five Aussie teams or they'll go it alone, but the governing body is not taking the bait.
Six years have passed since an Australian team dominated Super Rugby, but that's not stopping Rugby Australia from trying to take control.
"We can't wait much longer on the whole trans-Tasman competition decision," says Clarke. "That's been going on now for a considerable period of time."
Former Wallaby Rod Kafer's clearly enjoying Rugby Australia being in the driver's seat.
"I'm delighted in the approach that they've taken," Kafers says. "Let's see if New Zealand want to come and play in our competition.
"Let's see if they want to be involved with us."
But NZ Rugby won't be rushed into a decision, with a spokesman telling Newshub that updates will be given once they have an announcement to make.
The NZR's main reservation for including the Aussies is the standard of play. Their five franchises have managed just three wins on New Zealand soil in the past 50 games.
"In the end, I think you'd rather play in this comp than a diluted one, where you can play average and still win games of rugby," says Highlanders assistant coach Tony Brown.
And Super Rugby Aotearoa has delivered a high quality product that the players want to see continue.
"Condense it and have good quality games, and hopefully we'll see what's happened this year, with good crowds and people wanting to get amongst it," says Highlanders forward Dillon Hunt.
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Hosting another Super Rugby Aotearoa tournament next year is a real possibility, following recent Covid-19 developments in New Zealand.
That was the word from New Zealand Rugby general manager professional rugby Chris Lendrum after the coronavirus pandemic outbreak in Auckland earlier this week led to the New Zealand Government announcing that the city will remain at lockdown Level Three for 12 days while the rest of the country will be at Level Two for the same period.
Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020 concluded in Dunedin on Saturday, when the Highlanders beat the Hurricanes 38-21 in an empty Forsyth Barr Stadium due to the Covid-19 restrictions.
“We’ve been in a border restriction place now for nigh on five months so another five months takes you through to deep pre-season next year [so] you have to start looking at possibilities,” Lendrum told Radio New Zealand.
“Our strong desire is to have some form of cross-border regional competition operating in 2021, but Covid as always is a hurdle.
“The last 72 hours have just demonstrated again what a challenge that is for everybody here, with no end in sight.
“Is there a possibility that we have to domestic only alternative next year? Yeah it’s a possibility.”
And Lendrum believes that Super Rugby Aotearoa is feasible despite the restrictions.
“What we’ve seen over the last 10 weeks shows it’s very much viable,” he said. “The crowd and broadcast interest and engagement through media and social media it’s been enormous. It’s been a huge boost for rugby.
“I’m totally comfortable if we end up playing that again, it’s just not out preference. But if we have to stand it up again, it’ll be fantastic again.”
It makes sense at this stage that all the southern unions look at a domestic comp to kick off next year.Enzedder wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:23 am From the website "over the road"
Hosting another Super Rugby Aotearoa tournament next year is a real possibility, following recent Covid-19 developments in New Zealand.
That was the word from New Zealand Rugby general manager professional rugby Chris Lendrum after the coronavirus pandemic outbreak in Auckland earlier this week led to the New Zealand Government announcing that the city will remain at lockdown Level Three for 12 days while the rest of the country will be at Level Two for the same period.
Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020 concluded in Dunedin on Saturday, when the Highlanders beat the Hurricanes 38-21 in an empty Forsyth Barr Stadium due to the Covid-19 restrictions.
“We’ve been in a border restriction place now for nigh on five months so another five months takes you through to deep pre-season next year [so] you have to start looking at possibilities,” Lendrum told Radio New Zealand.
“Our strong desire is to have some form of cross-border regional competition operating in 2021, but Covid as always is a hurdle.
“The last 72 hours have just demonstrated again what a challenge that is for everybody here, with no end in sight.
“Is there a possibility that we have to domestic only alternative next year? Yeah it’s a possibility.”
And Lendrum believes that Super Rugby Aotearoa is feasible despite the restrictions.
“What we’ve seen over the last 10 weeks shows it’s very much viable,” he said. “The crowd and broadcast interest and engagement through media and social media it’s been enormous. It’s been a huge boost for rugby.
“I’m totally comfortable if we end up playing that again, it’s just not out preference. But if we have to stand it up again, it’ll be fantastic again.”
As I said, I don't really care about the location. As a Crusaders fan I would be very happy to see a 2nd Crusaders franchise based in Nelson. The opportuities to share players, staff and facilities would be immense. The Crusaders already run a highly successful academy out of Nelson and basing a SR franchise there would be great for South Island Rugby.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:40 am Intrigued by the 6 teams idea, but see AC's suggestion of a Harbour-based team as an insidious attempt to de-power the Blues.
Given Tasman rugby's continuing rise, what about a team based in Nelson?
There is no reason why a team based out of Albany would weaken the Blues. If anything I believe that it would strengthen Rugby in the region. It would certainly strengthen the North Harbour provincial team. A 2nd team in the region means less Auckland juniors leaving the city to make a career in Rugby.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:49 am Yeah, commercially Albany makes a lot more sense but it's going to be a hard sell to us Blues fans.
We can't have a repeat of the Central Vikings. There needs to be one base city. I would be happy enough with a team based out of New Plymouth. They have access to unlimited mining riches, don't they? But I think a 2nd Auckland team makes much more sense.
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I’ve been a Harbour man all my life, and a Blues fan since the start of Super rugby. I don’t know how I’d feel about suddenly being expected to be passionate about a new franchise. I guess fans do this sort of thing a fair bit across different sports, but it would feel a bit odd to me.Carter's Choice wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:56 amThere is no reason why a team based out of Albany would weaken the Blues. If anything I believe that it would strengthen Rugby in the region. It would certainly strengthen the North Harbour provincial team. A 2nd team in the region means less Auckland juniors leaving the city to make a career in Rugby.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:49 am Yeah, commercially Albany makes a lot more sense but it's going to be a hard sell to us Blues fans.
Don't get me wrong it's not an ideal situation. But I don't think a 5 team competition, or a 10 week duration, is sustainable in 2021. if there is no TT that means no overseas travel and probably no test matches. So this will be the focus of the 2021 season.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:43 am I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I’ve been a Harbour man all my life, and a Blues fan since the start of Super rugby. I don’t know how I’d feel about suddenly being expected to be passionate about a new franchise. I guess fans do this sort of thing a fair bit across different sports, but it would feel a bit odd to me.
I hear you, but could a new team be realistically added within a year? My feeling is that the logistics would take 2-3 years to sort out, by which time a trans Tasman comp will be hopefully on the cards again anyway.Carter's Choice wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:53 amDon't get me wrong it's not an ideal situation. But I don't think a 5 team competition, or a 10 week duration, is sustainable in 2021. if there is no TT that means no overseas travel and probably no test matches. So this will be the focus of the 2021 season.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:43 am I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. I’ve been a Harbour man all my life, and a Blues fan since the start of Super rugby. I don’t know how I’d feel about suddenly being expected to be passionate about a new franchise. I guess fans do this sort of thing a fair bit across different sports, but it would feel a bit odd to me.
It is definitely possible if NZR started planning now. It's not like they'd be starting from scratch, they'd be based in an existing Rugby centre and have access to the existing infra-structure.FujiKiwi wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:57 am I hear you, but could a new team be realistically added within a year? My feeling is that the logistics would take 2-3 years to sort out, by which time a trans Tasman comp will be hopefully on the cards again anyway.
Yeah but wouldn’t it be amusing for Naki to have to support yet another team, not to win.Carter's Choice wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:58 amWe can't have a repeat of the Central Vikings. There needs to be one base city. I would be happy enough with a team based out of New Plymouth. They have access to unlimited mining riches, don't they? But I think a 2nd Auckland team makes much more sense.