Week 4 : England v New Zealand

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There's a fun article on the BBC recalling England's best ever win against the All Blacks, almost exactly 10 years ago.

England v New Zealand: 'Manu tore us to shreds' - inside England's sensational 2012 win

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/63680265

I'm old enough to remember when England's victories always came with 10-year intervals - 1963, 1973, 1983, 1993, a pattern that we finally managed to beat in 2002.
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I had the pleasure of being at that game.
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Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:20 am I had the pleasure of being at that game.
So did I :grin:
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Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
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Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
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Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
This footage of Nowell chasing kicks in training suggests Clarke should be ok

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:lol: :lol:
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Lobby wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:25 pm
Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
This footage of Nowell chasing kicks in training suggests Clarke should be ok

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You've heard the tortoise and the hare fable... right? :lol:
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Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
England will be rabid today. NZ need to deflate them somehow.
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Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:22 pm
Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
England will be rabid today. NZ need to deflate them somehow.
I wouldn't count on it. England looked lke they were just going through the motions in the last game.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:34 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:22 pm
Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm

I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.

Although largely they will be just trying to come out of the blocks firing, trying to summon 2019 again.
England will be rabid today. NZ need to deflate them somehow.
I wouldn't count on it. England looked lke they were just going through the motions in the last game.
England don't know how to play fast and powerful, and they dont have the personnel to do that anyway. Just more Eddie bullshit, AB's way too smart to bite on that rancid bait. If England keep the margin to under 20 they can claim a moral victory.
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Asmo et al, the mockers won’t bite on such rancid bait.
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Ymx wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:41 pm
Grandpa wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 11:27 am Today will make or break Jordie Barrett at 12 I think... if he plays well, NZ win. If he's exposed, NZ lose... and he goes back to 15 for good.
I’m more thinking how they might expose Clarke, who they will chip in behind, and encourage to isolate himself.
Yep, manipulate him into bad defensive positions (not hard) and England could have a field day.
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Go, All Blacks!
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Got the lube ready
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Getting excited now
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Those 2 posts dont read well
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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FUCK OFF SPIDERCAM IN LIVE PLAY!
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JVP shit kick.
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Bring back Youngs
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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anyone got a working link?!
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Looking confident and efficient.
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And a nightmare interception to follow up, although my God it took forever to come down off the top. Beyond the 15. Jesus.
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boere wors wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:34 pm anyone got a working link?!
https://www.vipbox.lc/england-vs-new-zealand-1-live
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sockwithaticket wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:36 pm
boere wors wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:34 pm anyone got a working link?!
https://www.vipbox.lc/england-vs-new-zealand-1-live
thanks
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Jeez, we're going to get Youngs back, aren't we.
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Rassie compilation Tweet for that "knock on."

England look way off the pace.
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Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:38 pm Jeez, we're going to get Youngs back, aren't we.
JvP hooked after 15 minutes and never seen again.
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This could get ugly
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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What the fuck was Hill doing at the maul? Literally backing away until it was over the line.

Edit: Simmons.
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Too easy, Power and Pace? Was that running out from the tunnel?
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We’re just back to being a penalty generator. They are fuckin pros aren’t they?
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Oxbow wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:39 pm
Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:38 pm Jeez, we're going to get Youngs back, aren't we.
JvP hooked after 15 minutes and never seen again.
On this showing he needs to go back to school. Useless.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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This is going to be painful...
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Jesus, the whooping is horrendous.

And no way was that ball out.
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Lucky, there.

Also, the All Blacks butchered the try that should have been scored in the run up to that maul.
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Hal Jordan wrote: Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:51 pm Lucky, there.

Also, the All Blacks butchered the try that should have been scored in the run up to that maul.
Yep, Telea needed to pass that.
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Dumb, dumb, fucking dumb.
“It was a pet, not an animal. It had a name, you don't eat things with names, this is horrific!”
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Greta Van Fleet is not having a great game so far. NZ doing the same as they did against Scotland. Early points and then falling apart.
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Woof, great scrum from ABs
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