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That was just me.Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:33 pm I hope the Hiroshima comparisons aren't serious, it's evidently not even close to being the same. A nuclear explosion is a flash, then you're gone.
It will be interesting to see how the 'health and safety gone mad' groups react to this, because things like this is exactly why health and safety exists.
It sounds similar to the description of the Texas City fertiliser explosion - catches fire, burns more and more intensely, then bang.robmatic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm I'm still confused by all the minor explosions and bangs in the fire before it all went up. Were they really storing fireworks in the same building?
Might have been other chemicals.robmatic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm I'm still confused by all the minor explosions and bangs in the fire before it all went up. Were they really storing fireworks in the same building?
The Hiroshima explosion was 13-18 kilotons.Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:33 pm I hope the Hiroshima comparisons aren't serious, it's evidently not even close to being the same. A nuclear explosion is a flash, then you're gone
Don't think it was 2 kilotons, the info I've seen is that the fertiliser is about 0.4 times explosiveness of TNT, so nearer 1 kt, probably less as it's unlikely it all went up.Blake wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:27 pmThe Hiroshima explosion was 13-18 kilotons.Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:33 pm I hope the Hiroshima comparisons aren't serious, it's evidently not even close to being the same. A nuclear explosion is a flash, then you're gone
Beirut was about 2 kilotons.
So maybe not quite comparible , but also not far off from some small, modern, tactical nuke yield.
On the “flash the you’re gone” comment, maybe in the direct blast zone, but a couple of km out it would be very similar shockwave a couple of seconds after the flash and then some radiation to ruin your shitty day even further, depending on the wind.
What sort of knobheads would be doing that, Enz? I mean the mall, not your “office”.Enzedder wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:36 pm And to add a little of local flavour, a shopping mall just over my back fence is closed and roads cordoned as homemade explosive devices have been found inside.
I wish they would extend the cordon to reach my "office" so I didn't have to work.
So around the high end of the W54 designs thenBiffer wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:34 pmDon't think it was 2 kilotons, the info I've seen is that the fertiliser is about 0.4 times explosiveness of TNT, so nearer 1 kt, probably less as it's unlikely it all went up.Blake wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:27 pmThe Hiroshima explosion was 13-18 kilotons.Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:33 pm I hope the Hiroshima comparisons aren't serious, it's evidently not even close to being the same. A nuclear explosion is a flash, then you're gone
Beirut was about 2 kilotons.
So maybe not quite comparible , but also not far off from some small, modern, tactical nuke yield.
On the “flash the you’re gone” comment, maybe in the direct blast zone, but a couple of km out it would be very similar shockwave a couple of seconds after the flash and then some radiation to ruin your shitty day even further, depending on the wind.
The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents.
Lebanon's Interior Minister said 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate was in the Beirut blast.
Newcastle's stockpile of between 6,000 to 12,000 tonnes is stored at Orica's Kooragang Island plant in the Port of Newcastle, according to the company.
"That factory is only three kilometres from Newcastle's CBD and only 800 metres from North Stockton residents," said chemical engineer and community campaigner Keith Craig.
"It's a totally inappropriate place to have such a dangerous material produced and stored, and it's something we've been complaining about for many, many years.
The joy of two, completely contradictory imperatives:mat the expat wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:10 am As mentioned, lots more of these stockpiles are LARGER than the Beirut depot:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-05/ ... TSkCJ9iOLY
The deadly Beirut blast that killed more than 100 people has driven fresh calls for a large ammonium nitrate stockpile and plant in Newcastle, storing up to four times the amount reportedly detonated in the blast, to be relocated away from residents.
Lebanon's Interior Minister said 2,750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate was in the Beirut blast.
Newcastle's stockpile of between 6,000 to 12,000 tonnes is stored at Orica's Kooragang Island plant in the Port of Newcastle, according to the company.
"That factory is only three kilometres from Newcastle's CBD and only 800 metres from North Stockton residents," said chemical engineer and community campaigner Keith Craig.
"It's a totally inappropriate place to have such a dangerous material produced and stored, and it's something we've been complaining about for many, many years.
I saw that; & to me these projectiles didn't look, vigorous, enough of fireworks. If they were fireworks with their own propellant; I'd be expecting them to shot hundreds of meters out; but instead they weren't. To me they looked like aerosol cans, or whatever; where a pressurized vessel was heated & became a low energy projectile.robmatic wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 pm I'm still confused by all the minor explosions and bangs in the fire before it all went up. Were they really storing fireworks in the same building?
Came here to post that. It's incredible.Chrysoprase wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:47 am Posted this on the gifs fred but thought it was appropriate to put it here
When I saw the initial video and the close proximity to residential areas I though 1000+ dead.Ymx wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:51 am Death toll only 135, but with many thousands of injuries at this stage.
exactly. and think the toll on homes destroyed was huge also, so surely ...Blake wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:14 amWhen I saw the initial video and the close proximity to residential areas I though 1000+ dead.Ymx wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:51 am Death toll only 135, but with many thousands of injuries at this stage.
It’s still early days and probably chaos on the ground with the closest hospital affected, so that toll will climb, but that number is suspiciously low IMO.
I would say the Newcastle stockpile will be moved pretty damn quickly.Raggs wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:22 am Grain silos are built to survive explosions. Admittedly, internal ones caused by dust, but the walls are made to survive and direct the explosion upwards.
The stockpile in Newcastle, I'd ask how it's stored. Typically storage for these things are the same as grain silos. Made to survive explosion, aim the explosion upwards, lots of separate stores so that one does not effect the other. Climate controlled I believe, definitely no flames/hot works etc nearby.
There were apparently firefighters on site trying to deal with the first fire when the explosion happened.obelixtim wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:21 am Anyone close to that explosion would have been vaporised. There will be quite a few who will never be found.
My friend who lives there was not at home when this happened, but his apartment building has been destroyed. Yesterday he said it was just a big dig.Lobby wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:46 amThere were apparently firefighters on site trying to deal with the first fire when the explosion happened.obelixtim wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:21 am Anyone close to that explosion would have been vaporised. There will be quite a few who will never be found.
There are still large numbers of missing people, and 1,000s of homes are now uninhabitable, so the death toll will definitely rise. And while the grain silo absorbed quite a bit of the blast, it also means that there will be food shortages now in the Lebanon, as the silo contained most of the country's grain supplies, and almost all food imports come through the port, which has been destroyed.
I know the guy organising this, a good chap.Sinkers wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:29 am https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024963 ... 749951511/
Lebanon Rugby disaster fund if anybody’s inclined to donate.
The big water filled hole in the ground where the quayside used to be grabbed my attention
That'll fuel "Israel used the fire as cover for dropping a bomb on the port" conspiracy nuts for decades.Un Pilier wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:43 amThe big water filled hole in the ground where the quayside used to be grabbed my attention
I saw a slightly odd reply under a tweet about this the other day and clicked on the profile to see what crackpot stuff was in their timeline.
The picture of the "missile" is brilliant. If you watch the video it's from, you can clearly see it's a bird flying across.Nols wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:09 amI saw a slightly odd reply under a tweet about this the other day and clicked on the profile to see what crackpot stuff was in their timeline.
Apparently the explosion is the result of a direct energy weapon. Something that's still an experimental idea and, from what I gather, can be summarised as "frikkin laser beams".
Saw some other tweets with people claiming that you could clearly see a missile just prior to impact for a frame. Other people pointed out that it was a seagull on screen for a moment.
Some people are just so strange. Everything has to be something more sinister than it actually is, and they are trying to keep the truth from you. Bizarre.
I saw this thread on Twitter from some Trumpist conspiracy nutter, who is convinced this was a controlled explosion intended to take out "Iran's entire supply of rocket fuel in Lebanon. AND. They greatly reduced the destruction by causing DEFLAGRATION instead of DETONATION."Raggs wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:13 amThe picture of the "missile" is brilliant. If you watch the video it's from, you can clearly see it's a bird flying across.Nols wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:09 amI saw a slightly odd reply under a tweet about this the other day and clicked on the profile to see what crackpot stuff was in their timeline.Sandstorm wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:52 am
That'll fuel "Israel used the fire as cover for dropping a bomb on the port" conspiracy nuts for decades.
Apparently the explosion is the result of a direct energy weapon. Something that's still an experimental idea and, from what I gather, can be summarised as "frikkin laser beams".
Saw some other tweets with people claiming that you could clearly see a missile just prior to impact for a frame. Other people pointed out that it was a seagull on screen for a moment.
Some people are just so strange. Everything has to be something more sinister than it actually is, and they are trying to keep the truth from you. Bizarre.
There's a load of stuff now about the high level (I don't know if it's particularly high or not) from a radiation monitoring station in Italy. Conspiracy nuts going off that it's clearly therefore a nuke. Ignoring the fact that it's spiking an hour before the explosion, and the winds blow the other way mostly, ignoring that it's 1000 miles away, and others haven't been effected :D.
Lobby wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:35 amI saw this thread on Twitter from some Trumpist conspiracy nutter, who is convinced this was a controlled explosion intended to take out "Iran's entire supply of rocket fuel in Lebanon. AND. They greatly reduced the destruction by causing DEFLAGRATION instead of DETONATION."
https://twitter.com/COsweda/status/1290748019218853890
Twat.My guess is all the dead were Iranians.
Yes, windows were broken.
Would you rather have broken windows or another war?
Being designed to withstand stresses from inside doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to withstand stresses from outside.Raggs wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:22 am Grain silos are built to survive explosions. Admittedly, internal ones caused by dust, but the walls are made to survive and direct the explosion upwards.
The stockpile in Newcastle, I'd ask how it's stored. Typically storage for these things are the same as grain silos. Made to survive explosion, aim the explosion upwards, lots of separate stores so that one does not effect the other. Climate controlled I believe, definitely no flames/hot works etc nearby.