COVID-19 in SOUTH AFRICA

[Sards]

If your strong opinion is that teachers are not a valuable sector in society, then it's easy to see why you hold the opinions you do; namely that this contempt prevented you from learning anything they tried to teach you.

You think......







Or maybe not

[assfly]

Nothing will be the same Online teaching, work from home is the new normal.



Adapt your disciplines or die.

Primary schools need physical classes. They aren't old enough to cope with 100% online learning, no matter how good the teaching or the home support.

Secondary is a different story. A blend of online and home can work if done properly.

University is a complete different story. The sooner more universities start offering online degrees with lower fees the better.

[Sards]

So the vaccine procured has some issues. Is anyone surprised

[Big Nipper]

Some of the reactions are really OTT and childish...

We all have strong opinions

The only opinion that we all agree on is that you are an utter cunt of man

[average joe]

We tried to give the whole online thing ago at the start. The teacher hardly ever spoke with the kids, she gave us a link to a youtube video of some other lecturer who were discussing the subject. Normally the person in the video was foreign with a strong accent. The little ones had a hard time understanding and when we as parents tried to phone her we either could not get hold of her or she'll give us attitude and tell us to google it.

So we as parents effectively become the teachers and I have no problems with that except that I was still paying someone else to do it and still had to use my own resources with no quarter or renumeration. The school also refused to hand over handbooks that I feel belongs to me anyways as I payed for them.

Now I don't know if it was the same for everyone but it definitely did not work for us. Seeing as we were playing teacher teacher anyways and the wife works from home we decided to go the homeschooling route. A whole year program cost us the same as one term and we got all the study material delivered at our doorstep. No buying stupid unnecessary uniforms, no more buying a ton of stationary. The savings we saw in the first year was huge.

My kid is also a whole different person with less stress. She gets to go through the work at her own pace. She can focus on the things she struggles with and do not need to spend hours going over stuff she already understands.

[assfly]

We tried to give the whole online thing ago at the start. The teacher hardly ever spoke with the kids, she gave us a link to a youtube video of some other lecturer who were discussing the subject. Normally the person in the video was foreign with a strong accent. The little ones had a hard time understanding and when we as parents tried to phone her we either could not get hold of her or she'll give us attitude and tell us to google it.

So we as parents effectively become the teachers and I have no problems with that except that I was still paying someone else to do it and still had to use my own resources with no quarter or renumeration. The school also refused to hand over handbooks that I feel belongs to me anyways as I payed for them.

Now I don't know if it was the same for everyone but it definitely did not work for us. Seeing as we were playing teacher teacher anyways and the wife works from home we decided to go the homeschooling route. A whole year program cost us the same as one term and we got all the study material delivered at our doorstep. No buying stupid unnecessary uniforms, no more buying a ton of stationary. The savings we saw in the first year was huge.

My kid is also a whole different person with less stress. She gets to go through the work at her own pace. She can focus on the things she struggles with and do not need to spend hours going over stuff she already understands.

Your experience is probably quite common. Very quickly, teacher were asked to completely change the way they worked and some struggled. In fact a lot of it comes down to the adaptability of the teacher, rather than the school. The biggest gap, in our experience, came in the younger teachers who embraced online teaching and the older ones who struggled with it.

Those schools that coped better with online learning will probably already have noticed an increase in enrollment, and similarly those schools that struggled have already lost families.

When do you plan on sending them back to school? One of the things our kids struggled with the most is the social aspect and not seeing their friends. Thankfully they're all back now.

[Sards]

It's obviously a sensitive issue because by association teachers are well represented here. I just think energy wasn't utilized properly and far too many excuses and cries of hard done by teachers. My experience.

I would also home school if it wasn't for the interaction I look for. And sport..although that was an eff up

[average joe]

We tried to give the whole online thing ago at the start. The teacher hardly ever spoke with the kids, she gave us a link to a youtube video of some other lecturer who were discussing the subject. Normally the person in the video was foreign with a strong accent. The little ones had a hard time understanding and when we as parents tried to phone her we either could not get hold of her or she'll give us attitude and tell us to google it.

So we as parents effectively become the teachers and I have no problems with that except that I was still paying someone else to do it and still had to use my own resources with no quarter or renumeration. The school also refused to hand over handbooks that I feel belongs to me anyways as I payed for them.

Now I don't know if it was the same for everyone but it definitely did not work for us. Seeing as we were playing teacher teacher anyways and the wife works from home we decided to go the homeschooling route. A whole year program cost us the same as one term and we got all the study material delivered at our doorstep. No buying stupid unnecessary uniforms, no more buying a ton of stationary. The savings we saw in the first year was huge.

My kid is also a whole different person with less stress. She gets to go through the work at her own pace. She can focus on the things she struggles with and do not need to spend hours going over stuff she already understands.

Your experience is probably quite common. Very quickly, teacher were asked to completely change the way they worked and some struggled. In fact a lot of it comes down to the adaptability of the teacher, rather than the school. The biggest gap, in our experience, came in the younger teachers who embraced online teaching and the older ones who struggled with it.

Those schools that coped better with online learning will probably already have noticed an increase in enrollment, and similarly those schools that struggled have already lost families.

When do you plan on sending them back to school? One of the things our kids struggled with the most is the social aspect and not seeing their friends. Thankfully they're all back now.

For now it's only my eldest child, she's 9. We are keeping the younger one back a year as she's born in October but she'll go on the homeschooling program as well when the time comes. We have not yet discussed in full when they'll "re-enroll" to normal school but there is an understanding that they might have to at some point. The social aspect can be difficult if not properly managed but with the savings we made on schooling we were fortunate enough to be able to enrolled them at private clubs for sports and recreation, the 9 year olds recent fab is horses so she's doing riding lessons at the moment. When the netball starts up proper again she'll join up with a local private club. We also do a lot of playdates with family and friends.

[assfly]

[Sards]

For now it's only my eldest child, she's 9. We are keeping the younger one back a year as she's born in October but she'll go on the homeschooling program as well when the time comes. We have not yet discussed in full when they'll "re-enroll" to normal school but there is an understanding that they might have to at some point. The social aspect can be difficult if not properly managed but with the savings we made on schooling we were fortunate enough to be able to enrolled them at private clubs for sports and recreation, the 9 year olds recent fab is horses so she's doing riding lessons at the moment. When the netball starts up proper again she'll join up with a local private club. We also do a lot of playdates with family and friends.

We found pretty much the same...school sport ground to a halt....nothing happened last year and I struggle to see them improve this year...there will be plenty of excuses...

With cricket we went straight to club...there my kids at leas played games last year...we have taken up a lot more water sports because its the ultimate use of all the muscles in your body....and my kids have friends that enjoy that I am very active in getting the kids to the right spots...my kids Boogied the entire weekend , the one friend of my eldest is still at our home...he hasn't left yet... he is waiting for another session after 2 this afternoon when I am available and then he will go home. Lots of sleep overs and playdates....its the way to go really. I had no friends over...ok some family and a few friends but no kuier....so I am making an effort to limit that....rather let the kids have mates around...they need the interaction more than us.....

Its a new world order....we adapt...make adjustments and carry on.....schools need to do the same...I still cannot believe that with the oppurtunity to milk the vok out of it with Covid corruption , that the Education department has not made online schooling available for our kids.....

[Sards]

Some of the reactions are really OTT and childish...

We all have strong opinions

The only opinion that we all agree on is that you are an utter cunt of man

Rather that than being a complete bullshitter....neh....ouboet

[average joe]

School sport is very limited anyways. It's basically athletics, netball, rugby, cricket. Even swimming up here is scarce, only a few schools with swimming programs. My kids are interested in things most schools don't have. The youngest thinks she's a little princess but sometimes I swear she's the devil in disguise. She's doing ballet and swimming at the moment. She was born with slightly wonky feet, nothing serious but still needs correcting and the ballet is no good for that but we're letting her go with it for now as it helps with the ballance.

[Sards]

School sport is NON EXISTANT anyways. .

Since Covid all sports programmes are stopped.....

Its like this for me...
our police are so vokken useless that we hire armed response...and pay the extra for that.
Our schools have no sport so we pay extra for clubs....same wattsap group

[handyman]

Can you Adam and Eve this...

Schools are now going back full time......

BUT......the kids have to be at school starting at 08.30 from grade 2 upwards.....

WTF.....Now parents have to change all their work hours because the lazy vokkers cant get in earlier...they have been on vokken paid leave long enough.

Now this is one of the 5% posts of yours where you actually talk some sense. In my neck of the woods, you have to be at work from 8:00. No boss is going to like if you want to work flexible hours, it does not work like that in the platteland.

Please explain the problem to me because I don't get it. So you drop your kid off at school at 07:30 and they sit around until school officially opens at 08:30? Nobody is saying to have to drop your kid off at 08:25, travel back in time and arrive at work at 08:00.

I recall my parents having to drop me off at 07:00 as a kid (to dodge their commute traffic) and school only starting at 08:00. It gave me an hour to do the homework I didn't do the day before, or play soccer with the other kids that were also early. Please educate me.

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

[Sandstorm]

If your boss can't see the situation is unique during Covid and that your hours may need to be a bit more flexible, then you need to get up to the 5th floor of the grain silo and negotiate, Boere. Fok, just do your normal thing and blame it on the ANC.

[Sards]

Now this is one of the 5% posts of yours where you actually talk some sense. In my neck of the woods, you have to be at work from 8:00. No boss is going to like if you want to work flexible hours, it does not work like that in the platteland.

Please explain the problem to me because I don't get it. So you drop your kid off at school at 07:30 and they sit around until school officially opens at 08:30? Nobody is saying to have to drop your kid off at 08:25, travel back in time and arrive at work at 08:00.

I recall my parents having to drop me off at 07:00 as a kid (to dodge their commute traffic) and school only starting at 08:00. It gave me an hour to do the homework I didn't do the day before, or play soccer with the other kids that were also early. Please educate me.

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

He has no clue....kids are not allowed to play at school....I am surprised he doesn't know this....he seems to know everything else...

Do you also wait for them to test the kids before you leave...my kids school is very strict with this...kids wait outside the school and go in one at a time to be tested , and if ok wave from the desk and go in...of course you cannot just leave them standing in a row outside the school...what kind of parent does that.

[Sards]

If your boss can't see the situation is unique during Covid and that your hours may need to be a bit more flexible, then you need to get up to the 5th floor of the grain silo and negotiate, Boere. Fok, just do your normal thing and blame it on the ANC.

I love this post...the entire working congregation needs to change their routine to accomodate teachers who have been on holiday since forever.....nee ouboet...dis n vokkop....lazy gits need to just get up a little earlier like we do...I get up at 5...so can they

[assfly]

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

This is highly unusual. Most schools have a provision in place for kids that get dropped early, like the library or something. Whilst some teachers may arrive last minute, most schools have people on site long before then.

[Sards]

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

This is highly unusual. Most schools have a provision in place for kids that get dropped early, like the library or something. Whilst some teachers may arrive last minute, most schools have people on site long before then.

Do you also wait for them to test the kids before you leave...my kids school is very strict with this...kids wait outside the school and go in one at a time to be tested , and if ok wave from the desk and go in...of course you cannot just leave them standing in a row outside the school...what kind of parent does that.

Thats our procedure....desk inside the gate...2 teachers...one writing , the other taking measurements....kids in a line outside the gate....

[handyman]

Please explain the problem to me because I don't get it. So you drop your kid off at school at 07:30 and they sit around until school officially opens at 08:30? Nobody is saying to have to drop your kid off at 08:25, travel back in time and arrive at work at 08:00.

I recall my parents having to drop me off at 07:00 as a kid (to dodge their commute traffic) and school only starting at 08:00. It gave me an hour to do the homework I didn't do the day before, or play soccer with the other kids that were also early. Please educate me.

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

He has no clue....kids are not allowed to play at school....I am surprised he doesn't know this....he seems to know everything else...

Do you also wait for them to test the kids before you leave...my kids school is very strict with this...kids wait outside the school and go in one at a time to be tested , and if ok wave from the desk and go in...of course you cannot just leave them standing in a row outside the school...what kind of parent does that.

Yes, you wait outside until the teacher testing let the kid go into the school.

[Sandstorm]

If your boss can't see the situation is unique during Covid and that your hours may need to be a bit more flexible, then you need to get up to the 5th floor of the grain silo and negotiate, Boere. Fok, just do your normal thing and blame it on the ANC.

I love this post...the entire working congregation needs to change their routine to accomodate teachers who have been on holiday since forever.....nee ouboet...dis n vokkop....lazy gits need to just get up a little earlier like we do...I get up at 5...so can they

Gee, I thought your kids were the most important thing in your life? Why the moaning?

[Sards]

If your boss can't see the situation is unique during Covid and that your hours may need to be a bit more flexible, then you need to get up to the 5th floor of the grain silo and negotiate, Boere. Fok, just do your normal thing and blame it on the ANC.

I love this post...the entire working congregation needs to change their routine to accomodate teachers who have been on holiday since forever.....nee ouboet...dis n vokkop....lazy gits need to just get up a little earlier like we do...I get up at 5...so can they

Gee, I thought your kids were the most important thing in your life? Why the moaning?

You wouldn't understand..........dads do the fun stuff...you women do the drop offs etc....my wife is complaining because she has to sit for over an hour , to first let the older kid in , and then wait for the younger kid to go in....Thats an hour of her valuable time.

[Sandstorm]

You wouldn't understand..........dads do the fun stuff...you women do the drop offs etc....my wife is complaining because she has to sit for over an hour , tom first let the older kid in , and then wait for the younger kid to go in....Thats an hour of her valuable time.

Maybe she should take the kid for a walk instead of sitting in the car? You always complain they don't get enough exercise...

[Sards]

You wouldn't understand..........dads do the fun stuff...you women do the drop offs etc....my wife is complaining because she has to sit for over an hour , tom first let the older kid in , and then wait for the younger kid to go in....Thats an hour of her valuable time.

Maybe she should take the kid for a walk instead of sitting in the car? You always complain they don't get enough exercise...

I make sure they get plenty........if you were a friend on fb you would see a great video I did of them this weekend......but other than me...yup they get nothing .....
I will tell my wife that she should walk the kids around whilst waiting to get into school...she will bitch slap you....



see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

[average joe]

School sport is NON EXISTANT anyways. .

Since Covid all sports programmes are stopped.....

Its like this for me...
our police are so vokken useless that we hire armed response...and pay the extra for that.
Our schools have no sport so we pay extra for clubs....same wattsap group

School sports are free, the teachers sacrifice their own time to coach the kids after school. If you wanted your kids to develop further you would have hired a PT anyways. In my opinion South Africans rely to much on the state.

Anyways my kids are way to young to take things seriously and for the most part they just want to play and have fun. I still see it as an investment, I mean even if my daughter drops horse riding in a year and decides she wants to do something different, I feel she still learned something important. For instance I feel all kids should take swimming classes from a young age even if they're not going to become the next Ryk Neethling, it's an important life skill. I have no probleme forking out extra dough for activities. We limit them at 2 activities at a time though.

[average joe]

You wouldn't understand..........dads do the fun stuff...you women do the drop offs etc....my wife is complaining because she has to sit for over an hour , tom first let the older kid in , and then wait for the younger kid to go in....Thats an hour of her valuable time.

Maybe she should take the kid for a walk instead of sitting in the car? You always complain they don't get enough exercise...

I make sure they get plenty........if you were a friend on fb you would see a great video I did of them this weekend......but other than me...yup they get nothing .....
I will tell my wife that she should walk the kids around whilst waiting to get into school...she will bitch slap you....



see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You sure those are yours?

[Sards]

see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You sure those are yours?

Not the one on the left...my sons mate
I am going to have to reglue the cover on that board today...needs a special glue for sagex

[average joe]

Strange, he's the only one that has a resemblance.

[Sards]

Strange, he's the only one that has a resemblance.

Milkman for the rest......

[average joe]

Strange, he's the only one that has a resemblance.

Milkman for the rest......

Depends, is his surname Malherbe?

[Sandstorm]

see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You're not, but your sons are. Probably fewer free burgers at Mom's shop from now on.



*Kids are of course off-limits here.

[average joe]

see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You're not, but your sons are. Probably fewer free burgers at Mom's shop from now on.



*Kids are of course off-limits here.

Fok Sandy, apply some tact next time.

[Sards]

see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You're not, but your sons are. Probably fewer free burgers at Mom's shop from now on.



*Kids are of course off-limits here.

Thats from lockdown.....way overweight...but my eldest is on a strict diet and is pumping iron everyday and developing some strong arms and chest....and is down a good few kilos.....now you know why I bitched so much about the beaches being closed..
At the cricket club the nets were also locked up with the grounds...you can't leave your kids to play in the parks nowadays....that's exactly where the vokkers look for kids...Boogie is the only real execise they get...and thats about a 3 hour session each time....thankfully my kids are very clever...just like dad

[Sards]

see girly...I am not a fatty anymore....

You're not, but your sons are. Probably fewer free burgers at Mom's shop from now on.



*Kids are of course off-limits here.

Fok Sandy, apply some tact next time.

Says you with the Malherbe dig... ...prick

[Rinkals]

It's obviously a sensitive issue because by association teachers are well represented here. I just think energy wasn't utilized properly and far too many excuses and cries of hard done by teachers. My experience.

I would also home school if it wasn't for the interaction I look for. And sport..although that was an eff up

Fuck off.

The reason your opinion isn't universally endorsed isn't because we are heavily unionised; it's because you are speaking shit.

[Blake]

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

Depends on how old the kids are I suppose.

My folks used to have an arrangement with 4 other parents who would take turns to chaperone and watch us until the school gates opened. My mom had the Wednesday morning shift, so she usually was only able to leave at 08:00 on Wednesdays, even though we were there already from 06:45.

By the time I was in Highschool this wasn't needed anymore, so I either waited on my own at the gate until some friends arrived to wait with me or rode my bicycle to school if I didn't want to wake up early and didn't have a massive bag of cricket kit to lug around.

Not saying that its ideal, just saying that plans can we made to work around the inconveniences. Boer maak 'n plan.

[handyman]

With pleasure. There is no there to look after the children. Most teacher arrive 10 minutes before the first bell. You want me to drop my children of with no supervision?

Depends on how old the kids are I suppose.

My folks used to have an arrangement with 4 other parents who would take turns to chaperone and watch us until the school gates opened. My mom had the Wednesday morning shift, so she usually was only able to leave at 08:00 on Wednesdays, even though we were there already from 06:45.

By the time I was in Highschool this wasn't needed anymore, so I either waited on my own at the gate until some friends arrived to wait with me or rode my bicycle to school if I didn't want to wake up early and didn't have a massive bag of cricket kit to lug around.

Not saying that its ideal, just saying that plans can we made to work around the inconveniences. Boer maak 'n plan.

For sure we will make a plan, I just think the schools are finding it very easy to shift everything back to the parents.

[Blake]

For sure we will make a plan, I just think the schools are finding it very easy to shift everything back to the parents.

Do you have a better idea of how to handle it?

Schools are taking their guidance from the education department who lay out the guidelines and have to find a delicate balance between:
The Department, the Teachers Unions and the Parents.

I don't envy them at all having to navigate that!

But, ja, goodluck to you too. Tough times for parents, and I think primary school aged parents have it the toughest.

[OomStruisbaai]

So you agree with me about the online schooling?

Curro is making a killing in SA.

[average joe]

Please explain the problem to me because I don't get it. So you drop your kid off at school at 07:30 and they sit around until school officially opens at 08:30? Nobody is saying to have to drop your kid off at 08:25, travel back in time and arrive at work at 08:00.

I recall my parents having to drop me off at 07:00 as a kid (to dodge their commute traffic) and school only starting at 08:00. It gave me an hour to do the homework I didn't do the day before, or play soccer with the other kids that were also early. Please educate me.

Just to come back to this. The simple answer is times have changed. My parents sometimes dropped me off an hour early and sometimes picked me up two hours late, but back then I would walk 5 km alone to the shops without fear. Our parents actually pushed us to be more free and independent. You got home from school and spend probably an hour on your homework, grabbed something to eat and then got told to get the fok out the house and make sure to be back for supper. There's no way in hell I can allow any of that with my daughters now.