Re: England in Australia
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:23 pm
Yes he's the player of the series for me. He has such a huge engine for his size. Comparable to PSDT.
Yes he's the player of the series for me. He has such a huge engine for his size. Comparable to PSDT.
No shortage of English 9's
Fuck off troll, thats close to a banning
Who said they were?dkm57 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:11 pm Nice win Englishers but no-where near as accomplished as Ireland.
Just an observation, for me tackling was the main difference. Thought the English pack were outstanding and I do like the van Poortvliet- Smith axis.
Nahhh. Lawes for me too. And a FB who, arguably, got caught in defence for 2 Aus tries is not MOTS.ASMO wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm Freddy Steward, absolutely man of the series, dont care he has no pace,everything else he is world class.
I'm surprised there is even an argument. Lawes has been immense in this series.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:55 pmNahhh. Lawes for me too. And a FB who, arguably, got caught in defence for 2 Aus tries is not MOTS.ASMO wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:17 pm Freddy Steward, absolutely man of the series, dont care he has no pace,everything else he is world class.
Fair play.dkm57 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:54 pmJust an observation, for me tackling was the main difference. Thought the English pack were outstanding and I do like the van Poortvliet- Smith axis.
Tbf I'm pretty sure most people posting on this thread think you're being kind to England with that comparison. We are not good at all.dkm57 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:54 pmJust an observation, for me tackling was the main difference. Thought the English pack were outstanding and I do like the van Poortvliet- Smith axis.
Beating Australia is not really considered much of an achievement these days, hell even Wales beat them regularly, losing to them however.......and JM2K6 is right, after all the confetti has settled, England are not that good.JM2K6 wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:12 pmTbf I'm pretty sure most people posting on this thread think you're being kind to England with that comparison. We are not good at all.
Porter wasn't the one causing Smith to miss so many tackles. He also didn't force Smith to put in a lot of poor kicks last week. It's OK that Smith has had a couple of rough games, he's adapting. A lot of his passing has been good this series, he seems to be learning to not spend too long on the ball himself unless a gap is very obvious, since at this level it's not going to just open up for him like it can in the prem. He needs to adapt to the players around him, and he seems to be doing that.ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:50 am People bagging Smith should consider this. What Smith needs most is a 12 and 13 that offer a threat, England had none (Marchant maybe a bit until he was dropped/injured) and Porter was shockingly bad. Opposing teams know this, know that if they target and stop Smith, there is nothing outside him to worry about. How many breaks did the England centers make? Smith feels like he has to do all of the attacking himself. The problem is not him, its the dross outside him look how different he is at Quins with a good 12 and 13 to work with.
ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:50 am People bagging Smith should consider this. What Smith needs most is a 12 and 13 that offer a threat, England had none (Marchant maybe a bit until he was dropped/injured) and Porter was shockingly bad. Opposing teams know this, know that if they target and stop Smith, there is nothing outside him to worry about. How many breaks did the England centers make? Smith feels like he has to do all of the attacking himself. The problem is not him, its the dross outside him look how different he is at Quins with a good 12 and 13 to work with.
Yet to be convinced that's true. They're not utter dogshit under Rennie as they became under Cheika, but I haven't seen much evidence that they're any good.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:47 am Signs of life. Australia are a decent side and winning a series down there is nothing to be sniffed at.
Where we’re looking right now is as a side no one will particularly want to play in a knock out match IMHO, principally off the strength of the pack.
If discipline improves and Smith clicks we’ll be in business, but right now we’re a way off France and Ireland. Think we’ll turn the ABs over in the autumn.
Poerter was very poorRaggs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:24 amPorter wasn't the one causing Smith to miss so many tackles. He also didn't force Smith to put in a lot of poor kicks last week. It's OK that Smith has had a couple of rough games, he's adapting. A lot of his passing has been good this series, he seems to be learning to not spend too long on the ball himself unless a gap is very obvious, since at this level it's not going to just open up for him like it can in the prem. He needs to adapt to the players around him, and he seems to be doing that.ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:50 am People bagging Smith should consider this. What Smith needs most is a 12 and 13 that offer a threat, England had none (Marchant maybe a bit until he was dropped/injured) and Porter was shockingly bad. Opposing teams know this, know that if they target and stop Smith, there is nothing outside him to worry about. How many breaks did the England centers make? Smith feels like he has to do all of the attacking himself. The problem is not him, its the dross outside him look how different he is at Quins with a good 12 and 13 to work with.
I thought they were impressively physical, decent up front and offered plenty in attack.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:48 amYet to be convinced that's true. They're not utter dogshit under Rennie as they became under Cheika, but I haven't seen much evidence that they're any good.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:47 am Signs of life. Australia are a decent side and winning a series down there is nothing to be sniffed at.
Where we’re looking right now is as a side no one will particularly want to play in a knock out match IMHO, principally off the strength of the pack.
If discipline improves and Smith clicks we’ll be in business, but right now we’re a way off France and Ireland. Think we’ll turn the ABs over in the autumn.
The games were definitely close and competitive, we're not too far apart from each other in terms of quality. I just think that indicates we're fairly middling in tier 1 terms. At the moment it's looking incredibly fortuitous that our likely world cup quarter final opponents will either be Wales or Australia. The other side of the draw would see us knocked out at that stage.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:57 amI thought they were impressively physical, decent up front and offered plenty in attack.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:48 amYet to be convinced that's true. They're not utter dogshit under Rennie as they became under Cheika, but I haven't seen much evidence that they're any good.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:47 am Signs of life. Australia are a decent side and winning a series down there is nothing to be sniffed at.
Where we’re looking right now is as a side no one will particularly want to play in a knock out match IMHO, principally off the strength of the pack.
If discipline improves and Smith clicks we’ll be in business, but right now we’re a way off France and Ireland. Think we’ll turn the ABs over in the autumn.
Not saying they are world beaters but those were three proper test matches.
Certainly agree with thatsockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:23 amThe games were definitely close and competitive, we're not too far apart from each other in terms of quality. I just think that indicates we're fairly middling in tier 1 terms. At the moment it's looking incredibly fortuitous that our likely world cup quarter final opponents will either be Wales or Australia. The other side of the draw would see us knocked out at that stage.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:57 amI thought they were impressively physical, decent up front and offered plenty in attack.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:48 am
Yet to be convinced that's true. They're not utter dogshit under Rennie as they became under Cheika, but I haven't seen much evidence that they're any good.
Not saying they are world beaters but those were three proper test matches.
Smith was missing tackles because big fast blokes were running into him and he had no support. I remember the days when a 7 would be expected to help out.Raggs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:24 amPorter wasn't the one causing Smith to miss so many tackles. He also didn't force Smith to put in a lot of poor kicks last week. It's OK that Smith has had a couple of rough games, he's adapting. A lot of his passing has been good this series, he seems to be learning to not spend too long on the ball himself unless a gap is very obvious, since at this level it's not going to just open up for him like it can in the prem. He needs to adapt to the players around him, and he seems to be doing that.ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:50 am People bagging Smith should consider this. What Smith needs most is a 12 and 13 that offer a threat, England had none (Marchant maybe a bit until he was dropped/injured) and Porter was shockingly bad. Opposing teams know this, know that if they target and stop Smith, there is nothing outside him to worry about. How many breaks did the England centers make? Smith feels like he has to do all of the attacking himself. The problem is not him, its the dross outside him look how different he is at Quins with a good 12 and 13 to work with.
He's 25, same as Marchant and four years older than Freeman I wouldn't say he's a youngster. It was a typical Eddie arse-pull of a selection.SaintK wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:35 amPoerter was very poorRaggs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:24 amPorter wasn't the one causing Smith to miss so many tackles. He also didn't force Smith to put in a lot of poor kicks last week. It's OK that Smith has had a couple of rough games, he's adapting. A lot of his passing has been good this series, he seems to be learning to not spend too long on the ball himself unless a gap is very obvious, since at this level it's not going to just open up for him like it can in the prem. He needs to adapt to the players around him, and he seems to be doing that.ASMO wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:50 am People bagging Smith should consider this. What Smith needs most is a 12 and 13 that offer a threat, England had none (Marchant maybe a bit until he was dropped/injured) and Porter was shockingly bad. Opposing teams know this, know that if they target and stop Smith, there is nothing outside him to worry about. How many breaks did the England centers make? Smith feels like he has to do all of the attacking himself. The problem is not him, its the dross outside him look how different he is at Quins with a good 12 and 13 to work with.
There was a 5 minute period when he missed 2 head on tackles and fell off a third!
One of the youngsters who probably shouldn't have toured and who will need to massively up his game to win more caps.
Not sure they really offered much in attack. They maybe have the possibility of developing that but their backs looked like they had never met beforePaddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:57 amI thought they were impressively physical, decent up front and offered plenty in attack.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:48 amYet to be convinced that's true. They're not utter dogshit under Rennie as they became under Cheika, but I haven't seen much evidence that they're any good.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:47 am Signs of life. Australia are a decent side and winning a series down there is nothing to be sniffed at.
Where we’re looking right now is as a side no one will particularly want to play in a knock out match IMHO, principally off the strength of the pack.
If discipline improves and Smith clicks we’ll be in business, but right now we’re a way off France and Ireland. Think we’ll turn the ABs over in the autumn.
Not saying they are world beaters but those were three proper test matches.
Ive assumed the conversation in Eddie's head went like this "Ah shit the centre I wanted is injured, bit late now I'll just pick the utility back who replaces him in the prem final"JM2K6 wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:01 pmHe's 25, same as Marchant and four years older than Freeman I wouldn't say he's a youngster. It was a typical Eddie arse-pull of a selection.SaintK wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:35 amPoerter was very poorRaggs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:24 am
Porter wasn't the one causing Smith to miss so many tackles. He also didn't force Smith to put in a lot of poor kicks last week. It's OK that Smith has had a couple of rough games, he's adapting. A lot of his passing has been good this series, he seems to be learning to not spend too long on the ball himself unless a gap is very obvious, since at this level it's not going to just open up for him like it can in the prem. He needs to adapt to the players around him, and he seems to be doing that.
There was a 5 minute period when he missed 2 head on tackles and fell off a third!
One of the youngsters who probably shouldn't have toured and who will need to massively up his game to win more caps.
Concerned nowell isn't getting to make the tackle? I assume it is Porter who misses the critical tackle in midfield.Niegs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:46 pm What was going on with Steward and Wright after the latter's try? Should be having a think about how he botched that rather than getting aggressive...
Agreed. Should have gone to Launchbury.Raggs wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:11 pm Christ the awards are bit painful, giving player of the series to a player who's potentially earned it, but lost the series (and this game) doesn't really put a shine on it.
England need to go to the Mike Brown school of fucking levelling your man if you've been drawn and they've passed. At least twice it cost us at the weekend - players still able to take a return pass.petej wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:59 pmConcerned nowell isn't getting to make the tackle? I assume it is Porter who misses the critical tackle in midfield.Niegs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:46 pm What was going on with Steward and Wright after the latter's try? Should be having a think about how he botched that rather than getting aggressive...
Yep, frustrated me a lot too. If play has gone past you, you're never going to be more useful than the opposition in front of you, take him out and it's a far better trade for the defence.JM2K6 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:02 pmEngland need to go to the Mike Brown school of fucking levelling your man if you've been drawn and they've passed. At least twice it cost us at the weekend - players still able to take a return pass.petej wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:59 pmConcerned nowell isn't getting to make the tackle? I assume it is Porter who misses the critical tackle in midfield.Niegs wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:46 pm What was going on with Steward and Wright after the latter's try? Should be having a think about how he botched that rather than getting aggressive...