NPR

Gumboot wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 7:57 am Williams is so much fitter and faster than he was last year. His progress has been really impressive.

Kiwias wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:31 am Who is the brain-dead commentator who just said "here is one of the top 2~3 players in the world, Beauden Barrett?"

Grandpa wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 11:45 am

Kiwias wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:31 am Who is the brain-dead commentator who just said "here is one of the top 2~3 players in the world, Beauden Barrett?"

Dunno, but Tim Horan backed him up!

Guy Smiley wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:23 pm

Grandpa wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 11:45 am

Kiwias wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 9:31 am Who is the brain-dead commentator who just said "here is one of the top 2~3 players in the world, Beauden Barrett?"

Dunno, but Tim Horan backed him up!

You get a free blazer fitting on entry to the Old Boy's Club.

Grandpa wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 8:27 pm I loved Horan as a player... but what an un-insightful dullard he is as a pundit.

I thought Heem played well.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:07 am

Grandpa wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 8:27 pm I loved Horan as a player... but what an un-insightful dullard he is as a pundit.

I thought Heem played well.

Horan was a great player: he and Herbert probably the best centre pairing of their era. But we was an utter tw*t of a person on the field and no surprise he's a terrible commentator.

Anyway, meantime, these Landers

Gumboot wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:13 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:07 am

Grandpa wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 8:27 pm I loved Horan as a player... but what an un-insightful dullard he is as a pundit.

I thought Heem played well.

Horan was a great player: he and Herbert probably the best centre pairing of their era. But we was an utter tw*t of a person on the field and no surprise he's a terrible commentator.

Anyway, meantime, these Landers

Probably my favourite ever 12, but he doesn't really add much with a mic.

And yep, this is an average Landers side... sadly, they just don't have the cattle.

Kiwias wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 4:33 am Crusaders vs Tahs about to kick off, with 39 year-old John Afoa starting at THP.

Dan54 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:31 am

Kiwias wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 4:33 am Crusaders vs Tahs about to kick off, with 39 year-old John Afoa starting at THP.

I see Afoa figures he got another NPC campaign in him now!

Kiwias wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:37 am Will Jordan has resigned with the Crusaders and NZ rugby through to 2027. Fabulous news. Now we just need a coach who will play him at 15 in the ABs.

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:37 am Will Jordan has resigned with the Crusaders and NZ rugby through to 2027. Fabulous news. Now we just need a coach who will play him at 15 in the ABs.

Bloody good news with Jordan, NZR seem to be doing pretty well getting players to stay on. Though I still not absolutely convinced he a test 15 yet.

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:06 am

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 am

Kiwias wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:37 am Will Jordan has resigned with the Crusaders and NZ rugby through to 2027. Fabulous news. Now we just need a coach who will play him at 15 in the ABs.

Bloody good news with Jordan, NZR seem to be doing pretty well getting players to stay on. Though I still not absolutely convinced he a test 15 yet.

We will most likely have to wait till next year to find out, won't we?

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:21 pm

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:06 am

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 am

Bloody good news with Jordan, NZR seem to be doing pretty well getting players to stay on. Though I still not absolutely convinced he a test 15 yet.

We will most likely have to wait till next year to find out, won't we?

No idea, not sure where Foster, Schmidt etc see him , but even Jordan says although he prefers 15, like Izzy Dagg, Ben Smith etc sometimes you start on wing for a few years.

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 11:49 pm

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:21 pm

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:06 am

We will most likely have to wait till next year to find out, won't we?

No idea, not sure where Foster, Schmidt etc see him , but even Jordan says although he prefers 15, like Izzy Dagg, Ben Smith etc sometimes you start on wing for a few years.

Dagg spent most of his first few years in black at 15 but Ben Smith spent a lot of time on the wing, because we had a world-class player at 15 already. That is not the case with Jordan now, as he is a better fullback than Foster's love child BB.

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 4:14 am

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 11:49 pm

Dan54 wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 8:21 pm

No idea, not sure where Foster, Schmidt etc see him , but even Jordan says although he prefers 15, like Izzy Dagg, Ben Smith etc sometimes you start on wing for a few years.

Dagg spent most of his first few years in black at 15 but Ben Smith spent a lot of time on the wing, because we had a world-class player at 15 already. That is not the case with Jordan now, as he is a better fullback than Foster's love child BB.

Hey, Jordan was the one who talked about Dagg and Smith, not me (though I thought Dagg started on wing). I actually remember Smith saying he had to learn to communicate when he was trying to get 15. I still think that the main reason rightfully or wrongly that BB is picked at 15, is he is meant to be pretty good at letting 10 etc know whats happening. I never played in backline or at any decent level, so not quite sure how it all works, but always hear 10s say how important they find getting info!

Just thought of a question, and it is a genuine question. What's with the calling of players love child etc? I never worked it out, is it meant to be funny etc? I miss the joke, I know it's a big thing on PR etc and then a lot follow along. I just don't get it? One of mates who went into PR for a while, just sticks with other forums and asked me about it, I thought maybe it was posters wanting to get noticed more?

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 5:03 am

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 4:14 am

Kiwias wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 11:49 pm

Dagg spent most of his first few years in black at 15 but Ben Smith spent a lot of time on the wing, because we had a world-class player at 15 already. That is not the case with Jordan now, as he is a better fullback than Foster's love child BB.

Hey, Jordan was the one who talked about Dagg and Smith, not me (though I thought Dagg started on wing). I actually remember Smith saying he had to learn to communicate when he was trying to get 15. I still think that the main reason rightfully or wrongly that BB is picked at 15, is he is meant to be pretty good at letting 10 etc know whats happening. I never played in backline or at any decent level, so not quite sure how it all works, but always hear 10s say how important they find getting info!

Just thought of a question, and it is a genuine question. What's with the calling of players love child etc? I never worked it out, is it meant to be funny etc? I miss the joke, I know it's a big thing on PR etc and then a lot follow along. I just don't get it? One of mates who went into PR for a while, just sticks with other forums and asked me about it, I thought maybe it was posters wanting to get noticed more?

I never had a major issue with Smith being used on the wing because we clearly had a superb player at fb but even BB admitted once that he was aware he had a tendency to get excessively involved at 10, not making it easy for Mo'unga to settle fully into the position of leading the backline. Clearly a case of TMI for RMo.

As for the term 'love child', I use it to mean any player the coach insists on using even when it is clear that he is no longer the best in that position.

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:54 pm Ok, well in the case of playing people at wing, I have quite a few coaches say they like to do that as they don't have the same pressure on them on wing while really getting to grips with game, and do know that they also value highly 15s giving info to players in front of them. I agree what BB said about he was overplaying the time he was 2nd playmaker with RMo earlier, have also heard RMo also say he relies on second playmaker to help him, (why I think Havili does it quite often). I actually heard Bryn Hall saying that from set play fro Crusaders RMo was almost never first receiver off set piece until well into second half, which was also interesting.
As for the 'love child'when my wife saw that in one thing she said whoever writes it is really getting at player's mother , even to say in half hearted manner is saying she has been having affairs. Must admit I use the term favourite which isn't I suppose insulting enough to catch attention, as when I coached I had favourite players, and the were generally the ones I though that were the ones I thought (rightly or wrongly) the ones that did the job I wanted them to do. So we all use different expressions huh?

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:01 pm

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:54 pm Ok, well in the case of playing people at wing, I have quite a few coaches say they like to do that as they don't have the same pressure on them on wing while really getting to grips with game, and do know that they also value highly 15s giving info to players in front of them. I agree what BB said about he was overplaying the time he was 2nd playmaker with RMo earlier, have also heard RMo also say he relies on second playmaker to help him, (why I think Havili does it quite often). I actually heard Bryn Hall saying that from set play fro Crusaders RMo was almost never first receiver off set piece until well into second half, which was also interesting.
As for the 'love child'when my wife saw that in one thing she said whoever writes it is really getting at player's mother , even to say in half hearted manner is saying she has been having affairs. Must admit I use the term favourite which isn't I suppose insulting enough to catch attention, as when I coached I had favourite players, and the were generally the ones I though that were the ones I thought (rightly or wrongly) the ones that did the job I wanted them to do. So we all use different expressions huh?

The difference between RMo in the Crusaders and in the ABs is that he is in full control at 10 in the Cru, having others switch the first receiver role with him as he desires, whereas in the ABs, BB from 15 imposes his presence on RMo at 10, effectively emasculating the younger player.

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:22 pm

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:01 pm

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 8:54 pm Ok, well in the case of playing people at wing, I have quite a few coaches say they like to do that as they don't have the same pressure on them on wing while really getting to grips with game, and do know that they also value highly 15s giving info to players in front of them. I agree what BB said about he was overplaying the time he was 2nd playmaker with RMo earlier, have also heard RMo also say he relies on second playmaker to help him, (why I think Havili does it quite often). I actually heard Bryn Hall saying that from set play fro Crusaders RMo was almost never first receiver off set piece until well into second half, which was also interesting.
As for the 'love child'when my wife saw that in one thing she said whoever writes it is really getting at player's mother , even to say in half hearted manner is saying she has been having affairs. Must admit I use the term favourite which isn't I suppose insulting enough to catch attention, as when I coached I had favourite players, and the were generally the ones I though that were the ones I thought (rightly or wrongly) the ones that did the job I wanted them to do. So we all use different expressions huh?

The difference between RMo in the Crusaders and in the ABs is that he is in full control at 10 in the Cru, having others switch the first receiver role with him as he desires, whereas in the ABs, BB from 15 imposes his presence on RMo at 10, effectively emasculating the younger player.

Yep I thought that earlier too, but I think it been better last year or so. I think RMo really seems to have confidence now to not let that happen, or should do. A good 10 is listening to info from 9 and 15 I think, and is able to be able to control things from there. I think it perhaps shows a bad flaw of RMo's if he allows other's to control him in game. As you said even BB said he was needing to give him space, etc. I honestly have never known a 10 who people think doesn't stamp HIS authority on backline.
Actually was listening to James Parsons last night, and he was talking about how messages to 10 come from 9 and 10, was in explanation why he thinks 9s shouldn't make more than 3-4 tackles in a game

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:39 pm

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:22 pm

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:01 pm

The difference between RMo in the Crusaders and in the ABs is that he is in full control at 10 in the Cru, having others switch the first receiver role with him as he desires, whereas in the ABs, BB from 15 imposes his presence on RMo at 10, effectively emasculating the younger player.

Yep I thought that earlier too, but I think it been better last year or so. I think RMo really seems to have confidence now to not let that happen, or should do. A good 10 is listening to info from 9 and 15 I think, and is able to be able to control things from there. I think it perhaps shows a bad flaw of RMo's if he allows other's to control him in game. As you said even BB said he was needing to give him space, etc. I honestly have never known a 10 who people think doesn't stamp HIS authority on backline.
Actually was listening to James Parsons last night, and he was talking about how messages to 10 come from 9 and 10, was in explanation why he thinks 9s shouldn't make more than 3-4 tackles in a game

I don't disagree that a good 10 is able to take control but in RMo's case, the player causing the problems is a favourite of the head coach and has his total support, making it hard for a younger 'newcomer' to tell him to STFU and stay at 15. RMo has never had an issue with more experienced ABs in the Crusader backline, to a significant degree because he has the absolute support of his head coach.

Guy Smiley wrote: Wed May 31, 2023 12:39 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:39 pm

Dan54 wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 11:22 pm

Yep I thought that earlier too, but I think it been better last year or so. I think RMo really seems to have confidence now to not let that happen, or should do. A good 10 is listening to info from 9 and 15 I think, and is able to be able to control things from there. I think it perhaps shows a bad flaw of RMo's if he allows other's to control him in game. As you said even BB said he was needing to give him space, etc. I honestly have never known a 10 who people think doesn't stamp HIS authority on backline.
Actually was listening to James Parsons last night, and he was talking about how messages to 10 come from 9 and 10, was in explanation why he thinks 9s shouldn't make more than 3-4 tackles in a game

I don't disagree that a good 10 is able to take control but in RMo's case, the player causing the problems is a favourite of the head coach and has his total support, making it hard for a younger 'newcomer' to tell him to STFU and stay at 15. RMo has never had an issue with more experienced ABs in the Crusader backline, to a significant degree because he has the absolute support of his head coach.

If you want other players to step into first receiver you want those who are tuned into the team dynamic and able to distribute in their own right. Havili does that very well. Jordan seems to have the ability. I think Shaun Stevenson is another who goes well…. But BB isn’t like that. He’s a soloist, not an ensemble player. His injection into the line from FB falls flat because he’s not a natural distributor in his own right.

He is Fosters love child though.