Super Rugby Pacific 2023

[Dan54]

The difference between RMo in the Crusaders and in the ABs is that he is in full control at 10 in the Cru, having others switch the first receiver role with him as he desires, whereas in the ABs, BB from 15 imposes his presence on RMo at 10, effectively emasculating the younger player.

Yep I thought that earlier too, but I think it been better last year or so. I think RMo really seems to have confidence now to not let that happen, or should do. A good 10 is listening to info from 9 and 15 I think, and is able to be able to control things from there. I think it perhaps shows a bad flaw of RMo's if he allows other's to control him in game. As you said even BB said he was needing to give him space, etc. I honestly have never known a 10 who people think doesn't stamp HIS authority on backline.
Actually was listening to James Parsons last night, and he was talking about how messages to 10 come from 9 and 10, was in explanation why he thinks 9s shouldn't make more than 3-4 tackles in a game

I don't disagree that a good 10 is able to take control but in RMo's case, the player causing the problems is a favourite of the head coach and has his total support, making it hard for a younger 'newcomer' to tell him to STFU and stay at 15. RMo has never had an issue with more experienced ABs in the Crusader backline, to a significant degree because he has the absolute support of his head coach.

Well as you say a good 10 is able to take control, and a real good 10 doesn't make excuses! And I sure RMo doesn't, thats just really coming from people using guesswork as they don't know. I am only saying what I have seen and heard RMo and Bryn Hall etc say. But anyway all will be what it is.

[Guy Smiley]

RMo is easily able to control a game on his own terms but he has to play to his coach’s instructions and follow the plan that’s been set out for the team.

I think there’s a strong consensus that RMo was compromised badly for too long in being required to accommodate BB and allow him to take the reins as he wanted. It was a dogs breakfast of a selection policy and game plan that appears designed to ensure Barrett plays… regardless of whether that is actually the best strategy for the team.

[Kiwias]

Well as you say a good 10 is able to take control, and a real good 10 doesn't make excuses! And I sure RMo doesn't, thats just really coming from people using guesswork as they don't know. I am only saying what I have seen and heard RMo and Bryn Hall etc say. But anyway all will be what it is.

I am trying to find a reason for RMo not performing in the ABs to the same game-changing and game-controlling standard he has done in the Crusaders for six seasons now. The conclusion is that he has not been given the same level of unwavering trust from the AB coach that he gets from Razor, and the reason for that seems to be the AB coaching team insisting on BB being part of the team and making RMo play to a game plan in which BB has too much influence.

He has been poorly managed as an AB and the team have suffered.

[Insane_Homer]

Keewee refs
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... -the-clear

[Guy Smiley]

Keewee refs
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sup ... -the-clear

What’s your issue here, Homer… he asked, despite knowing better and being unable to help himself

[Dan54]

Well as you say a good 10 is able to take control, and a real good 10 doesn't make excuses! And I sure RMo doesn't, thats just really coming from people using guesswork as they don't know. I am only saying what I have seen and heard RMo and Bryn Hall etc say. But anyway all will be what it is.

I am trying to find a reason for RMo not performing in the ABs to the same game-changing and game-controlling standard he has done in the Crusaders for six seasons now. The conclusion is that he has not been given the same level of unwavering trust from the AB coach that he gets from Razor, and the reason for that seems to be the AB coaching team insisting on BB being part of the team and making RMo play to a game plan in which BB has too much influence.

He has been poorly managed as an AB and the team have suffered.

Mate, (and I make it clear I would have RMo as my test 10) I honestly think the difference is both the ball he gets at Crusaders compared to test rugby, and defence he gets at super level. In my opinion he probably best 10 in NZ, but not in top 10s in world whatever excuses are made. No top 10 would allow anyone else to run backline (if that happens) and even at super level he plays a number of games where he looks like he struggles to run game. As I say he looks best to me, but I worry that he not one to really take game by throat often enough at test level, although I hope he is getting batter, and says he is learning how to control tests better (and his words I heard early in year, not mine)

[Guy Smiley]

Sam Whitelock is leaving NZR after the RWC for Pau on a 2 year contract.

He’s been an absolute beast… total commitment, leadership and skill. One of our modern greats. I wonder if he’s thinking of moving towards coaching once his playing days are done.

[Grandpa]

Well as you say a good 10 is able to take control, and a real good 10 doesn't make excuses! And I sure RMo doesn't, thats just really coming from people using guesswork as they don't know. I am only saying what I have seen and heard RMo and Bryn Hall etc say. But anyway all will be what it is.

I am trying to find a reason for RMo not performing in the ABs to the same game-changing and game-controlling standard he has done in the Crusaders for six seasons now. The conclusion is that he has not been given the same level of unwavering trust from the AB coach that he gets from Razor, and the reason for that seems to be the AB coaching team insisting on BB being part of the team and making RMo play to a game plan in which BB has too much influence.

He has been poorly managed as an AB and the team have suffered.

Bit of a tragedy really that Razor could be his coach next year... and Richie will be gone...

[Guy Smiley]

Arise, Sir Fergus Burke

Arise, Lord Steven Perofeta.

Hail the Messiah, Zane Sullivan.

Goodbye Beauden. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out.

[Kiwias]

Sam Whitelock is leaving NZR after the RWC for Pau on a 2 year contract.

He’s been an absolute beast… total commitment, leadership and skill. One of our modern greats. I wonder if he’s thinking of moving towards coaching once his playing days are done.

Damned shame but he has been our best lock since his debut, an awesome player in all aspects. Absolutely loved his lineout steal from Matfield in the RWC2015 semifinal.

You can see it here

[Kiwias]

Razor names a strong team vs Hurricanes, Tamaiti Williams back starting.

[Kiwias]

Also good to see Gallagher back

[Grandpa]

Sam Whitelock is leaving NZR after the RWC for Pau on a 2 year contract.

He’s been an absolute beast… total commitment, leadership and skill. One of our modern greats. I wonder if he’s thinking of moving towards coaching once his playing days are done.

Damned shame but he has been our best lock since his debut, an awesome player in all aspects. Absolutely loved his lineout steal from Matfield in the RWC2015 semifinal.

You can see it here

Hey, you worked out the timestamp bit...

What I like about Sam is that he is such a smart player. I think I felt sorry for him more than any other player in 2019... when he was penalised for his frustration trying to get the ball off Farrell... he knew the team had got it wrong that day... while other All Blacks just look bewildered.. he knew what was happening, but was powerless to stop it on his own...

[Kiwias]

Hey, you worked out the timestamp bit...

What I like about Sam is that he is such a smart player. I think I felt sorry for him more than any other player in 2019... when he was penalised for his frustration trying to get the ball off Farrell... he knew the team had got it wrong that day... while other All Blacks just look bewildered.. he knew what was happening, but was powerless to stop it on his own...

I cut and pasted your post

[Grandpa]

Hey, you worked out the timestamp bit...

What I like about Sam is that he is such a smart player. I think I felt sorry for him more than any other player in 2019... when he was penalised for his frustration trying to get the ball off Farrell... he knew the team had got it wrong that day... while other All Blacks just look bewildered.. he knew what was happening, but was powerless to stop it on his own...

I cut and pasted your post

Never admit to plagiarism.... no one will ever know...

[Torquemada 1420]

Perofeta offers more threat in attack in 5 mins than BB has all season.

[Kiwias]

Perofeta offers more threat in attack in 5 mins than BB has all season.

Don't worry, BB will be back at 10 for the quarter final and on.

[Tichtheid]

The line run by the Blues 6 took out two defenders, Shirely that can't be right?

[Torquemada 1420]

Blues' inaccuracies keeping this game close.

[Torquemada 1420]

The line run by the Blues 6 took out two defenders, Shirely that can't be right?

Robinson? Yeah, I thought that looked like a blatant obstruction too.

[Kiwias]

The line run by the Blues 6 took out two defenders, Shirely that can't be right?

Robinson? Yeah, I thought that looked like a blatant obstruction too.

Was that why the try was disallowed?

[Tichtheid]

The line run by the Blues 6 took out two defenders, Shirely that can't be right?

Robinson? Yeah, I thought that looked like a blatant obstruction too.

Was that why the try was disallowed?

The disallowed one was earlier, this was for the try that counted

[Torquemada 1420]

Blues continue to commit errors with line in sight.

[Torquemada 1420]

Finally put the game to bed.

{EDIT} Or maybe not

[Kiwias]

I thought he got rid of the ball just before his knee hit the line

[Tichtheid]

Telea has looked good, despite that score being chalked off

[Kiwias]

Segner is pretty sharp at 7 too

[Torquemada 1420]

Segner is pretty sharp at 7 too

He's been excellent tonight.

[Kiwias]

Akira being Akira

[Torquemada 1420]

Extraordinary number of chances shelled by both sides tonight.

[inactionman]

Just flicked it on in time to see Freddie Burns flat on his back with doctors in attendance

No replays yet - what happened?

[Kiwias]

Just flicked it on in time to see Freddie Burns flat on his back with doctors in attendance

No replays yet - what happened?

Took a strong head-on tackle, chest-to-chest, from Zarn Sullivan.

[Torquemada 1420]

This is great.

[Kiwias]

The crowd are a massive support for the Drua

[Torquemada 1420]

I hadn't read Tamani was off to France.

[Torquemada 1420]

[Torquemada 1420]

I hadn't read Tamani was off to France.

Apparently off to Colomiers . Pro 2 and no chance of making Elite 1 so defo a pension money call.

[Kiwias]

Brilliant performance by the Drua to make the playoffs.

[Dan54]

Brilliant performance by the Drua to make the playoffs.

Was, real happy with that too, not knocking the Highlanders, bit much haapier to see Drua theer.

[Kiwias]

Both the starting and the bench halfback for Crusaders are on debut. I wonder if that has ever happened in any SR team before.

* First season of SR the obvious exception.