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average joe wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:23 am You cant sell goods to dead people. Look I'm with you on the economical stuff and the damage done will be felt for years. The Quarantine was never meant to beat the virus, it cant and it wont. I said so from the get go. It was meant to get our medical sector ready for what was to come. If you consider that the Chines managed to build a hospital in a matter of days and that we received hundreds of millions of rands in aid monies, the initial 14 days should have been enough. OK so make it a month seeing as we're on African time here.

Most of the people I spoke to recon that some of the "rules" was/is utterly moronic and was put in place out of sheer spite to punish us for something we had nothing to do with. You cant sit on your high throne and tell the voting public that it's because they don't behave, that they cant have a responsible drink because you failed to police a handful of miscreants who cant handle their dop or that they cant visit a beach or go for a jog outside whilst you stole the money that was meant to get us out of this shit. The never ending extended "lockdowns" is the direct result of our corrupt officials incompetence, it's not because of us. But you'll never see a politician stand up and say "sorry guys it's because I fucked up" they'll always look for something or someone ells to blame.

In saying all this though, our economy was a fuckup long before covid. Our public medical sector has been a cesspit of corruption for years. Our police force is full of incompetent, ignorant, criminal fat arses who cant chases and catch a criminal even if their lives depended on it. Most of them cant even read or write FFS. All covid has done is highlight what we all already knew ages ago.
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our goverment has to be held accountable...
so much could have been done differently and the economy could have been in a far better position.
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This has been going on for years. The other day I read an article on the ten most wealthiest black men in SA and guess what, most of them are politically connected and all of them made their money on mining/telecommunications/transport/energy/banking/real estate/insurance. Is it not a bit strange that some of these sectors are struggling or completely bankrupt. Our dear president uncle Cyril is on that list at a whopping net worth of 5.67 billion.
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I see Karima Brown has died of Covid today. She was 53.

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Sards wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:16 am

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our goverment has to be held accountable...
so much could have been done differently and the economy could have been in a far better position.
Chancers like you who regularly broke the rules should also be held accountable.
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Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:43 pm New Zealand strategy would never work in SA, it's not a useful comparison.

The fact that our scanners at the airports were worse than in Lagos, is a disgrace though. Nigeria is chaos no.1 and they can still sort it out.
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:43 pm New Zealand strategy would never work in SA, it's not a useful comparison.

The fact that our scanners at the airports were worse than in Lagos, is a disgrace though. Nigeria is chaos no.1 and they can still sort it out.
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
It's impossible and stupid to compare lockdowns in 1st vs 3rd World countries. How do people isolate when you live in a shack in a township and have to use public transport to go to work? :crazy:

Easy to isolate for a year in your 2 bedroom apartment in Bondi using a laptop at your dining table for work.
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:14 pm
Sards wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:16 am

:thumbup:

our goverment has to be held accountable...
so much could have been done differently and the economy could have been in a far better position.
Chancers like you who regularly broke the rules should also be held accountable.
For what....
I did more than you to protect myself and my family . I follow all protocols.
Except for kuier. Although I still do I have limited it .

I didn't get sick. Noone I know got sick.
You just like to hate on me because you are an alarmist who wets her panties on a regular basis.

You and Blake are drama queens. Except he has mellowed and you are still shrill.
I decided that I would prefer to live my life rather than waste it on a flu type virus. And if it got me it was meant to be.
I will be judged at the end of this rather than now thank you. I am not afraid of death. I have lived my life to the fullest. I have loved and lost. I have traveled. I have built a future for my family. They will be well looked after. I refuse to stop living.

Edit...Wrinkles has become even more shrill
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Sandstorm wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:43 pm New Zealand strategy would never work in SA, it's not a useful comparison.

The fact that our scanners at the airports were worse than in Lagos, is a disgrace though. Nigeria is chaos no.1 and they can still sort it out.
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
It's impossible and stupid to compare lockdowns in 1st vs 3rd World countries. How do people isolate when you live in a shack in a township and have to use public transport to go to work? :crazy:

Easy to isolate for a year in your 2 bedroom apartment in Bondi using a laptop at your dining table for work.
If they closed the borders a week earlier it never would have arrived.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
It's impossible and stupid to compare lockdowns in 1st vs 3rd World countries. How do people isolate when you live in a shack in a township and have to use public transport to go to work? :crazy:

Easy to isolate for a year in your 2 bedroom apartment in Bondi using a laptop at your dining table for work.
If they closed the borders a week earlier it never would have arrived.
Exactly. I thought they left it open far too long. I still remember those pics of the temperature sensors at the airports and wondering wtf they weren't closing airports off

People tend to have selective memories when it comes to South Africa.

First case was a traveller's from Germany if I am not mistaken
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Everything was well documented on the other board. My daughter lives in Korea and myself knew a lot about Corvid month's before it hits South Africa
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There's no way we could have kept it out, even if we closed the border a year before. How do you close a border in a country were thousands of illegal Zimbos an Mozies jump the fence every week? In Jan my neighbours Zim workers were stuck at the border. A week later they were all here, when I asked one how they got through, he said the old way.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm If they closed the borders a week earlier it never would have arrived.
Nonsense. If it was that simple, everyone would have done it. Covid was in South Africa weeks before the first case was registered.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm Everything was well documented on the other board. My daughter lives in Korea and myself knew a lot about Corvid month's before it hits South Africa
Except the name of the disease.
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assfly wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:42 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm If they closed the borders a week earlier it never would have arrived.
Nonsense. If it was that simple, everyone would have done it. Covid was in South Africa weeks before the first case was registered.
I dunno, Oom may be correct. 1st UK case was 23 Jan. First SA case was 1 March when those skiers came back from Italy. That’s enough time to stop / quarantine international travellers.

Of course no-one else actually did that besides the Kiwis.
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:01 am
assfly wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:42 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm If they closed the borders a week earlier it never would have arrived.
Nonsense. If it was that simple, everyone would have done it. Covid was in South Africa weeks before the first case was registered.
I dunno, Oom may be correct. 1st UK case was 23 Jan. First SA case was 1 March when those skiers came back from Italy. That’s enough time to stop / quarantine international travellers.

Of course no-one else actually did that besides the Kiwis.
iTALY....thats where the first case came from...not Germany
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:01 am I dunno, Oom may be correct. 1st UK case was 23 Jan. First SA case was 1 March when those skiers came back from Italy. That’s enough time to stop / quarantine international travellers.

Of course no-one else actually did that besides the Kiwis.
The same New Zealand which is still getting new cases, despite it's closed borders.

If it wasn't them it would be someone else. What about the Zimbos who cross the river at will? Same for Mozambique and Botswana.

How many people were travelling from China to South Africa in December and January? Could have been on one of those flights.

Anyway, it's a moot point, but I think it's unreasonable to think the closing of borders on a certain date would have prevented the arrival of the disease.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:43 pm New Zealand strategy would never work in SA, it's not a useful comparison.

The fact that our scanners at the airports were worse than in Lagos, is a disgrace though. Nigeria is chaos no.1 and they can still sort it out.
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
Because the first registered case is probably not when it first actually entered SA.

Even if we did lockdown early, people would have arrived (mostly from Mozambique and Zim) who carry Covid. Then we are relying on the ANC to be competent. And we know how that goes...
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You can close airports all you want, wont help jack shit. Our land borders are too porous.
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average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:26 am You can close airports all you want, wont help jack shit. Our land borders are too porous.
But how do people get infected in Botswana, Zim and Mozambique? It's not like there are lots of international travellers flying into those places in the last year, business and leisure travel is almost on hold.
South Africa is basically an island if you shut down the airports.

Botswana:
Total cases
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Deaths
359

Fuck. All.

SA's early cases all came from international flight passengers (same as Europe), not from guys swimming over the Limpopo. SA probably infected neighbouring countries when their people went home again.

In fact that's exactly what happened: "No jobs in Joburg, I'll go home to Harare and wait it out"
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:23 am
average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:26 am You can close airports all you want, wont help jack shit. Our land borders are too porous.
But how do people get infected in Botswana, Zim and Mozambique? It's not like there are lots of international travellers flying into those places in the last year, business and leisure travel is almost on hold.
South Africa is basically an island if you shut down the airports.

Botswana:
Total cases
31,746
Deaths
359

Fuck. All.

SA's early cases all came from international flight passengers (same as Europe), not from guys swimming over the Limpopo. SA probably infected neighbouring countries when their people went home again.

In fact that's exactly what happened: "No jobs in Joburg, I'll go home to Harare and wait it out"
You know that China is Africa's biggest trading partner right? It's not only Zimbos and Mozzies crossing the Limpopo, we have refugees from as far as Somalia. Great idea to use Botswana as an example though, a country with a 2 mill population and an economy stronger than ours.
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:23 am
South Africa is basically an island if you shut down the airports.
:lol: that's some proper old school Saffa reasoning there.

You can't use confirmed cases to support your argument. Actual infections could be 10 times more than that, as we have seen in SA too. Testing has been woefully inadequate compared to population size.
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average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:36 am
You know that China is Africa's biggest trading partner right?
Are you trading people with China? Or just goods?
Shut down OT Airport last Feb and all flights of Chinese businessmen with suitcases of money for mining companies in Gauteng stop. No skiers from Italy walking in uncontrolled.
No new infections from high risk areas. Full stop.

NZ also trades with China all day long, but they control their border.
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"Go back home to Harare and wait it out" and that's why Beitbridge was a complete fokop. All those Zimbos was probably on holiday, I mean why would they want to come back if there's no jobs in Jozi hay? I'm not saying the thing came in from there initially, I'm saying if you closed the airports early it would eventually have come in from there anyways. They spent 37 million on a new fence in April last year, guess what.

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It's full of fokon holes.
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Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:49 am
average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:36 am
You know that China is Africa's biggest trading partner right?
Are you trading people with China? Or just goods?
Shut down OT Airport last Feb and all flights of Chinese businessmen with suitcases of money for mining companies in Gauteng stop. No skiers from Italy walking in uncontrolled.
No new infections from high risk areas. Full stop.

NZ also trades with China all day long, but they control their border.
You know when some poor African country asks China to build them a new bridge/hospital/road/hotel they bring their own work force right?
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average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:04 am
Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:49 am
average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:36 am
You know that China is Africa's biggest trading partner right?
Are you trading people with China? Or just goods?
Shut down OT Airport last Feb and all flights of Chinese businessmen with suitcases of money for mining companies in Gauteng stop. No skiers from Italy walking in uncontrolled.
No new infections from high risk areas. Full stop.

NZ also trades with China all day long, but they control their border.
You know when some poor African country asks China to build them a new bridge/hospital/road/hotel they bring their own work force right?
I'm well aware of that. But how many Chinese migrant workers are swimming the Limpopo in 2020 to build a new road in Tshwane?
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Really Sandy? Fok, it's like explaining to 5 year old.

You see, the toe bone connects to the leg bone and the leg bone connect to the hip bone...

Now fokof you little trolling shit.
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Lemoentjie wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:18 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:43 pm New Zealand strategy would never work in SA, it's not a useful comparison.

The fact that our scanners at the airports were worse than in Lagos, is a disgrace though. Nigeria is chaos no.1 and they can still sort it out.
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
Because the first registered case is probably not when it first actually entered SA.

Even if we did lockdown early, people would have arrived (mostly from Mozambique and Zim) who carry Covid. Then we are relying on the ANC to be competent. And we know how that goes...
Happen one year ago
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/wo ... -reported/
“This morning, Thursday 5 March, the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) confirmed that a suspected case of coronavirus has tested positive. The patient is a 38-year-old male who travelled to Italy with his wife. They were part of a group of 10 people and they arrived back in South Africa on 1 March 2020.
“The patient consulted a private general practitioner on 3 March, with symptoms of fever, headache, malaise, a sore throat and a cough. The practice nurse took swabs and delivered it to the lab. The patient has been self-isolating since 3 March. The couple also has two children.
“The Emergency Operating Centre (EOC) has identified the contacts by interviewing the patient and doctor. The tracer team has been deployed to KwaZulu-Natal with epidemiologists and clinicians from NICD. The doctor has been self-isolated as well, as she may have picked up coronavirus too.”
We spread it through AJ holes to other Africa countries.
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assfly wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:14 am
Sandstorm wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:01 am I dunno, Oom may be correct. 1st UK case was 23 Jan. First SA case was 1 March when those skiers came back from Italy. That’s enough time to stop / quarantine international travellers.

Of course no-one else actually did that besides the Kiwis.
The same New Zealand which is still getting new cases, despite it's closed borders.

If it wasn't them it would be someone else. What about the Zimbos who cross the river at will? Same for Mozambique and Botswana.

How many people were travelling from China to South Africa in December and January? Could have been on one of those flights.

Anyway, it's a moot point, but I think it's unreasonable to think the closing of borders on a certain date would have prevented the arrival of the disease.
Sure it would. Why is the UK vrot with the disease and NZ have nearly vokol?

It was because NZ closed their borders early and have strict rules in place. UK and US dont give a vok at the start.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:41 pm
Lemoentjie wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:18 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:34 pm
How can you say that?

NZ/Aus close their borders one week earlier. We were one week to late.
Because the first registered case is probably not when it first actually entered SA.

Even if we did lockdown early, people would have arrived (mostly from Mozambique and Zim) who carry Covid. Then we are relying on the ANC to be competent. And we know how that goes...
Happen one year ago
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/wo ... -reported/
“This morning, Thursday 5 March, the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (NICD) confirmed that a suspected case of coronavirus has tested positive. The patient is a 38-year-old male who travelled to Italy with his wife. They were part of a group of 10 people and they arrived back in South Africa on 1 March 2020.
“The patient consulted a private general practitioner on 3 March, with symptoms of fever, headache, malaise, a sore throat and a cough. The practice nurse took swabs and delivered it to the lab. The patient has been self-isolating since 3 March. The couple also has two children.
“The Emergency Operating Centre (EOC) has identified the contacts by interviewing the patient and doctor. The tracer team has been deployed to KwaZulu-Natal with epidemiologists and clinicians from NICD. The doctor has been self-isolated as well, as she may have picked up coronavirus too.”
We spread it through AJ holes to other Africa countries.
Blah blah blah and the first case reported on African soil was in Egypt (14 Feb 2020) and sub-Saharan Africa Nigeria end of Feb. The last country to report was Lesotho (13 May) By 26 May all African countries reported community transmission. But most African countries are suspected of under reporting because of poorly developed healthcare systems.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:46 pm Sure it would. Why is the UK vrot with the disease and NZ have nearly vokol?

It was because NZ closed their borders early and have strict rules in place. UK and US dont give a vok at the start.
And they're a wealthy, developed country that is made up of two islands in the middle of the Pacific ocean. Who are still getting new Covid cases.
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assfly wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:46 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:46 pm Sure it would. Why is the UK vrot with the disease and NZ have nearly vokol?

It was because NZ closed their borders early and have strict rules in place. UK and US dont give a vok at the start.
And they're a wealthy, developed country that is made up of two islands in the middle of the Pacific ocean. Who are still getting new Covid cases.
Exactly.
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average joe wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:29 pm Really Sandy? Fok, it's like explaining to 5 year old.

You see, the toe bone connects to the leg bone and the leg bone connect to the hip bone...

Now fokof you little trolling shit.
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I am so over it....hate the maaks
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Sards wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:54 pm I am so over it....hate the maaks
Hope you wear it while smoking papegaai twak.
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:50 pm
Sards wrote: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:54 pm I am so over it....hate the maaks
Hope you wear it while smoking papegaai twak.
Give it a break ouboet. If I was a non functional member of society that neglected myself and my family you could carry on about it. If I was a drain on society rather than an employer different story. I know my limits and am a social smoker. I am not excessive and hardly drink alcohol. So let's get over the novelty of labelling me for managing to wade myself through life without cracking or breaking down from the stress and tension of running 2 business's during this very difficult time.
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average joe wrote: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:04 pm This has been going on for years. The other day I read an article on the ten most wealthiest black men in SA and guess what, most of them are politically connected and all of them made their money on mining/telecommunications/transport/energy/banking/real estate/insurance. Is it not a bit strange that some of these sectors are struggling or completely bankrupt. Our dear president uncle Cyril is on that list at a whopping net worth of 5.67 billion.
Corruption is the source of almost all SA problems. Remove corruption, you will reduce violence, unemployment, racism.

The ANC can make people look the other way by saying they'll do a campaign against racism/violence/issue of the day, but it's all to distract from the one main problem.
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Can't help wandering where we would be if Zuma was still in charge
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OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:35 pm Can't help wandering where we would be if Zuma was still in charge
We would be properly fucked.
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Chilli wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:39 pm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:35 pm Can't help wandering where we would be if Zuma was still in charge
We would be properly fucked.
There is at least something to be thankful. We need positive spirit. All this doom and gloom won't help.

Saffers moaning with a white bread under the arm should go to Nigeria. There are real poor people. Fighting each day to survive.

We are still far from that. Thanks DA for Republic of the Western Cape where we still have excellent roads and clean towns and cities.
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