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assfly wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am It actually sounds quite serious. De Allende has said they should be fine "in a few weeks"

https://supersport.com/rugby/springboks ... n_injuries

While there have been rumours that Vermeulen underwent surgery on the ankle on Tuesday, no injury update has been issued by the Springboks or his franchise, the Bulls.

Meanwhile, Dobson confirmed that fullback Warrick Gelant may not be fit in time for their match against the British & Irish Lions on 17 July. Gelant tore his anterior cruciate ligament last December and had to undergo surgery, which has since kept him off the field.

‘He is touch and go for the British & Irish Lions, which is on 17 July. That is four Currie Cup games in. So, he won’t play those games,’ Dobson said.

‘A provincial treasure like Warrick, the Lions game will be up to him. If he wants to be a part of that, or be more conservative, given how traumatic an injury it has been. But he will miss at least the first four Currie Cup games.’

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:01 pm Gelant touch and go to play against the BIL for the Stormers

Meanwhile, Dobson confirmed that fullback Warrick Gelant may not be fit in time for their match against the British & Irish Lions on 17 July. Gelant tore his anterior cruciate ligament last December and had to undergo surgery, which has since kept him off the field.

‘He is touch and go for the British & Irish Lions, which is on 17 July. That is four Currie Cup games in. So, he won’t play those games,’ Dobson said.

‘A provincial treasure like Warrick, the Lions game will be up to him. If he wants to be a part of that, or be more conservative, given how traumatic an injury it has been. But he will miss at least the first four Currie Cup games.’

assfly wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:17 am So without Duane, let's look at our options at 8

Marcel Coetzee - not currently in squad but also recovering from injury so fitness some way off 80 minutes in a test match.
Jasper Wiese - in good form but do we hand him a test debut against the Lions?
Dan du Preez - also in good form, but not sure if in good enough form to start.

Or do we put someone like Kolisi or van Staden at the back of the scrum instead of the side?

handyman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:59 am

assfly wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:17 am So without Duane, let's look at our options at 8

Marcel Coetzee - not currently in squad but also recovering from injury so fitness some way off 80 minutes in a test match.
Jasper Wiese - in good form but do we hand him a test debut against the Lions?
Dan du Preez - also in good form, but not sure if in good enough form to start.

Or do we put someone like Kolisi or van Staden at the back of the scrum instead of the side?

Vermeulen leaves a massive gap, that's for sure.

Blake wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am My biggest concern is not the loss of Vermeulen as a player (which is a massive loss) but as a senior leader in the team.
We have the cattle with Coetzee or Wiese to replicate his hard running playing style and floor game, but Kolisi leans heavily on Duane to motivate the pack when the chips are down.

His absence is going to be felt if/when the Lions pack gains the upper hand for periods in the match. Fuck.

Blake wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:18 am

handyman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:59 am

assfly wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:17 am So without Duane, let's look at our options at 8

Marcel Coetzee - not currently in squad but also recovering from injury so fitness some way off 80 minutes in a test match.
Jasper Wiese - in good form but do we hand him a test debut against the Lions?
Dan du Preez - also in good form, but not sure if in good enough form to start.

Or do we put someone like Kolisi or van Staden at the back of the scrum instead of the side?

Vermeulen leaves a massive gap, that's for sure.

My biggest concern is not the loss of Vermeulen as a player (which is a massive loss) but as a senior leader in the team.
We have the cattle with Coetzee or Wiese to replicate his hard running playing style and floor game, but Kolisi leans heavily on Duane to motivate the pack when the chips are down.

His absence is going to be felt if/when the Lions pack gains the upper hand for periods in the match. Fuck.

handyman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:47 am I'm as excited as anyone by the form of Wiese, but if you think he's going to have even close to the impact of Vermeulen, then you're having a laugh.

"Lucky for us Jasper can play No.8, with Duane’s injury now,” said Erasmus at the weekend

boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:35 am As said before, we have good alternatives at 8, but what will most be missed is duanes leadership. We dont have to kid ourselves, he was the on field captain of the boks the last years. His leadership would be sorely missed. Playing wise marcell would be the most likely replacement.

handyman wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:36 am

boere wors wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:35 am As said before, we have good alternatives at 8, but what will most be missed is duanes leadership. We dont have to kid ourselves, he was the on field captain of the boks the last years. His leadership would be sorely missed. Playing wise marcell would be the most likely replacement.

Agree with that.

Big Nipper wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:11 am Is Vermeulen confirmed to be out of the Lions tour yet?

Big Nipper wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:11 am Is Vermeulen confirmed to be out of the Lions tour yet?

FalseBayFC wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 11:45 am I'd be inclined to go with Jasper ahead of the du Preez bros at 8. From what I've seen of him he has a slightly higher work rate. How about starting Marx,at hooker of, course to make up for Duane's jackalling. Then bring Van Staden and Bongi on later.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:30 pm Our trio need a proper 6 to get the right combo, move Kolisi to 8, Marco in 6.

Sards wrote: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:46 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:30 pm Our trio need a proper 6 to get the right combo, move Kolisi to 8, Marco in 6.

Leave our Springbok captain alone.
I can guess why you said that

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 pm Watching Exeter vs Sale. Connie still can't scrum, du Preez twins still cant play proper rugby. Faf different story

sorCrer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 pm Watching Exeter vs Sale. Connie still can't scrum, du Preez twins still cant play proper rugby. Faf different story

Jy praat kak.

Sards wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:00 pm

sorCrer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 pm Watching Exeter vs Sale. Connie still can't scrum, du Preez twins still cant play proper rugby. Faf different story

Jy praat kak.

He keeps forgetting Kolisi doesn't play for the Stormers anymore .

sorCrer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:01 pm

Sards wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:00 pm

sorCrer wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:20 pm

Jy praat kak.

He keeps forgetting Kolisi doesn't play for the Stormers anymore .

It's because we insulted useless Elstadt.

Blake wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 pm Impressive shift by Phepsi Buthelezi in a struggling Sharks side tonight. Another great contender for the Bok no8 jersey In 2-3 seasons.

Blake wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 pm Impressive shift by Phepsi Buthelezi in a struggling Sharks side tonight. Another great contender for the Bok no8 jersey In 2-3 seasons.

Chilli wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:46 pm

Blake wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 pm Impressive shift by Phepsi Buthelezi in a struggling Sharks side tonight. Another great contender for the Bok no8 jersey In 2-3 seasons.

Not a fuck.
He is very average

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:43 am

Chilli wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:46 pm

Blake wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:25 pm Impressive shift by Phepsi Buthelezi in a struggling Sharks side tonight. Another great contender for the Bok no8 jersey In 2-3 seasons.

Not a fuck.
He is very average

He is the poor man's Evan Roos

assfly wrote: Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:14 am Weird game. Just read about the pre-match drama, no wonder we got pumped in the scrums (although a couple of the calls were harsh). Pretty shitty of Jake to object at the last minute, but I would probably want my coach to do the same thing if it was the other way around.

The only word I can use to describe that Sharks performance was disinterested. There didn't seem to be any real purpose to anything we did, felt like another warm up match with nothing at stake.

Our best players were Fassi, Am and Buthelezi. The latter had the best game I've seen him play, if he can keep those performances up then his future is very bright. Incredible turn of pace.

JJ vd Mescht. That kid needs to be put on a conditioning program, he is not fit to play professional rugby and he was walking about the place in the second half. I like having a big 4 lock, but if he could lose some timber then he'd be a much better player. Those poor props lifting him at 2 in the lineout

Kolisi was poor too, really shown up by Marco van Staden. Was probably the worst loose forward on the field if we're being honest.

Bosch. Eish. I didn't mind it when his kicking and running game covered for his defensive liabilities, but I don't see anything from him. I was hoping not being selected by the Boks would push him to a better performance, but he looked like a didn't give a vok all game. He is obviously under orders to kick it a lot more than we used to, so our coaches also have a lot to answer for. You know it's bad when we looked much better with Libbok on.

Anyway, good luck Bulls playing against the Benetton. Pity it isn't against one of the bigger teams, but it doesn't look like anyone in the NH took this tournament any more serious than we did.