NPR

Don't need to explain further, do I.

I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

assfly wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:59 am I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

assfly wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:59 am I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I disagree about Harris. The main reason she's VP is because she's a woman and is brown. If she was white she'd be nowhere near her job. She's fucking useless.

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

assfly wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:59 am I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I disagree about Harris. The main reason she's VP is because she's a woman and is brown. If she was white she'd be nowhere near her job. She's fucking useless.

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

assfly wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:59 am I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I think Biden has been just about what I expected, better than Trump but not enough energy (or possibly interest) to navigate the bullshit that is US politics at the moment.

Kamala has been really disappointing however. She has been thrown some curveballs no doubt, but she has hardly shown up at all. I think her stock has plummeted

Slick wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:37 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

assfly wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:59 am I always had a sneaky suspicion he might not see the end of his first term for health reasons. Looks very frail at the moment.

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I think Biden has been just about what I expected, better than Trump but not enough energy (or possibly interest) to navigate the bullshit that is US politics at the moment.

Kamala has been really disappointing however. She has been thrown some curveballs no doubt, but she has hardly shown up at all. I think her stock has plummeted

Agree. Harris has been a ghost.

Biden just has to be "not Trump" and this'll probably take the heat out of US politics for a year or two. Get passed Covid and hopefully the Yanks start using their brains again.

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 pm

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I disagree about Harris. The main reason she's VP is because she's a woman and is brown. If she was white she'd be nowhere near her job. She's fucking useless.

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

I wasn't talking about her VP role specifically. I'm going by the impression she gives when I see her talking about anything and the fact that so many other people see it, coupled with her general unpopularity. Anyway, I guess my main point was that I disagree that a woman of mixed race is something the USA is not ready for. I would say the opposite would be true - either of the main parties would be shoving one to the front of the queue if they had someone competent.

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:03 pm I wasn't talking about her VP role specifically. I'm going by the impression she gives when I see her talking about anything and the fact that so many other people see it, coupled with her general unpopularity. Anyway, I guess my main point was that I disagree that a woman of mixed race is something the USA is not ready for. I would say the opposite would be true - either of the main parties would be shoving one to the front of the queue if they had someone competent.

Right - the 'impression' she gives. This isn't actually based on her physical job as the VP. It is just the impression that you have backed up by lots of other people saying it as well. OK....seems legit.

And her popularity differs greatly depending on the pollster used. Shock and horror - a poll sourced by the Daily Wire suggests her popularity is the lowest of all. And yet margin of error places her popularity at an equal of Pences average popularity....sooooo....I guess the US should be pretty critical of them both.

But they're not....and I for one have no idea what it is about mixed race woman Harris that so many people would rank her lower than white Christian male Pence.

Putting Biden to one side for a moment, the issue for me is the dire choice that the main parties offered the electorate, speaking from 3k miles away of course. The Democrats had about 50 senators, 200 congressmen and 20 or 30 state governors and a guy pushing 80 was the best they could end up with.

Harris's still politically inexperienced so still finding her feet. Also a democrat, mixed raced women, from California with a liberal voting record is always going to trigger a certain type of person.

Right - the 'impression' she gives. This isn't actually based on her physical job as the VP. It is just the impression that you have backed up by lots of other people saying it as well. OK....seems legit.

So what you're saying is that when I see her interviewed/listen to her speak then I shouldn't form any impressions of her? So what is it that informed your impression of her?

Calculon wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:39 pm Harris's still politically inexperienced so still finding her feet. Also a democrat, mixed raced women, from California with a liberal voting record is always going to trigger a certain type of person.

Hell, even that alone!

Biden's main attribute always seemed to be that he wasn't Trump (which, admittedly, was quite a significant one). But his behaviour over Afghanistan has revealed him to be either totally evil or totally incompetent. Not sure which (yet).

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:06 pm

Right - the 'impression' she gives. This isn't actually based on her physical job as the VP. It is just the impression that you have backed up by lots of other people saying it as well. OK....seems legit.

So what you're saying is that when I see her interviewed/listen to her speak then I shouldn't form any impressions of her? So what is it that informed your impression of her?

Not at all - I was wondering if you can actually point to the particular situations that have helped you form this opinion. Can you explain why her actions, words lead you to believe that she is 'f*cking useless'.

My personal opinion - I believe she is the VP of a country that is so incredibly divided and partisan that she is on a hiding to nothing. I don't personally think she has done anything outrageously bad - I don't believe she has achieved anything significant. The administration she works for has been better with their science based approach to a global pandemic. She appears to want a kinder, better, more inclusive society - so I am on board with that.

To level her 'handling' of the supposed border crisis as inept is just a punch in the dark due to the fact that the US border is not the dramatic issue that the right leaning media wants you to believe. It is an issue - but decades of border issues aren't going to be cleared up in the first 8 months of the Biden administration. At least she has expressed a desire to try and get to the root issue of the 'crisis' and not just scream about a wall.

So yeah - I don't really see a massive difference in the 'standards' of VP'ing when looking at Harris and Pence. Pence was just a little puppet, there to shine trumps little todger when required. Harris was a pretty obvious 'look at us being way more inclusive than the other party' appointment - although she deserves an opportunity just as much as the next person.

Certain Navigator wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:17 am Biden's main attribute always seemed to be that he wasn't Trump (which, admittedly, was quite a significant one). But his behaviour over Afghanistan has revealed him to be either totally evil or totally incompetent. Not sure which (yet).

There has been a lot of media hysteria about Afghanistan, but the withdrawal has been relatively painless and free of violence given that the puppet government immediately collapsed.

You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

BnM wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

In my opinion its not quite the travesty that you seem to be suggesting. Forcing western values and institutions on Afghanistan is pointless if that is not what they desire or what they are culturally predisposed to nurture or maintain.

It does hurt Americas standing but that might be a good thing overall. It might usher in a more realistic foreign policy that does not seek to remake the world along western lines through military intervention. If we want to get to grips with global warming I think its going to require multilateral co-operation rather than hard power.

BnM wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

Why are these 13 deaths such a travesty for some in the US - but the 2400 deaths prior to this were just 'part of the process'.

The US's failure in Afghanistan is not the evacuation - it is the whole 20 years. Biden has essentially got the US out of a 20 year military operation - which apparently most people in the US wanted.

And yet even now - people are saying 'the US need to go back into Afghanistan, take back all the airports and then get people out'. Sooooo.....invade Afghanistan again?

And remember - this administration has been telling people in Afghanistan to leave for the past few months. This wasn't sprung on people - it was coordinated. But someone people have lived almost their whole lives in Afghanistan - they have family there, jobs, companies, dependants. This was never going to be a case of 'drop everything and run'. This administration has committed itself to getting US citizens and its allies out of the country - I believe they have even stated - 'if you aren't ready to leave, let us know when you are and we will come and get you'.

I don't think the military minds expected the Afghan Army to capitulate quite like they did. But even taking that into account - around 120 000 people have been evacuated with very little loses. I mean that is a massive number of people to get out of a country!

And America didn't run - what were they supposed to do - stay for another 20 years? When does Afghanistan start being responsible for Afghanistan?

Are you outraged at this because it is Biden or because the US has failed?

In other news, Texas all but outlaws abortions. Under His Eye.

Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 am

BnM wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

Why are these 13 deaths such a travesty for some in the US - but the 2400 deaths prior to this were just 'part of the process'.

The US's failure in Afghanistan is not the evacuation - it is the whole 20 years. Biden has essentially got the US out of a 20 year military operation - which apparently most people in the US wanted.

And yet even now - people are saying 'the US need to go back into Afghanistan, take back all the airports and then get people out'. Sooooo.....invade Afghanistan again?

And remember - this administration has been telling people in Afghanistan to leave for the past few months. This wasn't sprung on people - it was coordinated. But someone people have lived almost their whole lives in Afghanistan - they have family there, jobs, companies, dependants. This was never going to be a case of 'drop everything and run'. This administration has committed itself to getting US citizens and its allies out of the country - I believe they have even stated - 'if you aren't ready to leave, let us know when you are and we will come and get you'.

I don't think the military minds expected the Afghan Army to capitulate quite like they did. But even taking that into account - around 120 000 people have been evacuated with very little loses. I mean that is a massive number of people to get out of a country!

And America didn't run - what were they supposed to do - stay for another 20 years? When does Afghanistan start being responsible for Afghanistan?

Are you outraged at this because it is Biden or because the US has failed?

I'd agree with a lot of this actually. Under the circumstances they have all done a pretty decent job getting people out.

Calculon wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:39 pm Harris's still politically inexperienced so still finding her feet. Also a democrat, mixed raced women, from California with a liberal voting record is always going to trigger a certain type of person.

Had a hearty CACKLE at that one. ^^

"Trigger(s) a certain type of person" ... you mean triggers your normal Democrat??? Harris was the first Dem presidential nominee to get the arse in the primaries, rejected so solidly by Dem voters that, from memory, she had garnered a mere 2 per cent of the Dem tally before she dropped out just prior to the California primary in order to avoid utter humiliation in her home state.

And I well recall her vitriol as she pulled out, saying that she hadn't polled well because of her gender and colour ... those mysogynist, racist Nazi Dem voters !!!!!!!!

Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 am

BnM wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

Why are these 13 deaths such a travesty for some in the US - but the 2400 deaths prior to this were just 'part of the process'.

The US's failure in Afghanistan is not the evacuation - it is the whole 20 years. Biden has essentially got the US out of a 20 year military operation - which apparently most people in the US wanted.

And yet even now - people are saying 'the US need to go back into Afghanistan, take back all the airports and then get people out'. Sooooo.....invade Afghanistan again?

And remember - this administration has been telling people in Afghanistan to leave for the past few months. This wasn't sprung on people - it was coordinated. But someone people have lived almost their whole lives in Afghanistan - they have family there, jobs, companies, dependants. This was never going to be a case of 'drop everything and run'. This administration has committed itself to getting US citizens and its allies out of the country - I believe they have even stated - 'if you aren't ready to leave, let us know when you are and we will come and get you'.

I don't think the military minds expected the Afghan Army to capitulate quite like they did. But even taking that into account - around 120 000 people have been evacuated with very little loses. I mean that is a massive number of people to get out of a country!

And America didn't run - what were they supposed to do - stay for another 20 years? When does Afghanistan start being responsible for Afghanistan?

Are you outraged at this because it is Biden or because the US has failed?

I point out the failures and you've over extrapolated. I've never said they should go back, I don't recall saying I'm outraged and actually we did know the country could fall that quickly, foreign office here confirmed it today. America is the big power that walked away after starting it all and now we have well armed, ridiculously well armed people who hate us gloating about how they chased off America. Yes you're out of it but now we're going to find out the cost. This cost could have been reduced if we'd done it better. It's not all on Biden (the optics of looking at his watch though...) and it's not like he went there in the first place, but America did and I think there's a lesson to be learned there because trillions and 20 years of progress are now down the toilet. Ultimately going there and leaving was dictated by America.

Marylandolorian wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:02 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:49 am

BnM wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:42 pm You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died in or the billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more. Or now the service dogs that were left behind. Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running.

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. And in my opinion what has happened to the people of afghanistan is unforgivable.

Why are these 13 deaths such a travesty for some in the US - but the 2400 deaths prior to this were just 'part of the process'.

The US's failure in Afghanistan is not the evacuation - it is the whole 20 years. Biden has essentially got the US out of a 20 year military operation - which apparently most people in the US wanted.

And yet even now - people are saying 'the US need to go back into Afghanistan, take back all the airports and then get people out'. Sooooo.....invade Afghanistan again?

And remember - this administration has been telling people in Afghanistan to leave for the past few months. This wasn't sprung on people - it was coordinated. But someone people have lived almost their whole lives in Afghanistan - they have family there, jobs, companies, dependants. This was never going to be a case of 'drop everything and run'. This administration has committed itself to getting US citizens and its allies out of the country - I believe they have even stated - 'if you aren't ready to leave, let us know when you are and we will come and get you'.

I don't think the military minds expected the Afghan Army to capitulate quite like they did. But even taking that into account - around 120 000 people have been evacuated with very little loses. I mean that is a massive number of people to get out of a country!

And America didn't run - what were they supposed to do - stay for another 20 years? When does Afghanistan start being responsible for Afghanistan?

Are you outraged at this because it is Biden or because the US has failed?

What about that for 20 YEARS , no woman were shot because they wore makeup, girls weren’t burned alive because they went to school or a singer wasn’t shot in the head because islam is against music.
If after 2 decades, $1 trillion spent by the US and the West they can’t take care of themselves…. fuck it

You’re not going to turn round a deeply conservative society in 20 years. With hindsight we should have done the anti Al Qaeda bit and got out. If we were going to try and reform Afghan society and culture to its core we should have realised it was going to take generations.

BnM wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:07 pm I point out the failures and you've over extrapolated. I've never said they should go back, I don't recall saying I'm outraged and actually we did know the country could fall that quickly, foreign office here confirmed it today. America is the big power that walked away after starting it all and now we have well armed, ridiculously well armed people who hate us gloating about how they chased off America. Yes you're out of it but now we're going to find out the cost. This cost could have been reduced if we'd done it better. It's not all on Biden (the optics of looking at his watch though...) and it's not like he went there in the first place, but America did and I think there's a lesson to be learned there because trillions and 20 years of progress are now down the toilet. Ultimately going there and leaving was dictated by America.

So I'll address your points - and only your points:

You mean apart from the bombing which 13 Americans' died - and what about the 2400+ deaths prior to this. Why should Biden receive the rage of a Nation (and lets not pretend that most of the voices screaming about this are blaming him for the deaths) when so many deaths have occurred over the last 20 years. Any death is a tragedy - but it is also part of the process of invasion/war/military action. To use it as a reason to be angry at the evacuation process is purely political.

Billions of equipment left in the hands of people who hate us and are allied with people who hate us even more - and how much of that is operational? All of the aircraft were made inoperable. And even if the Taliban managed to get some of it working - where would they get the parts, the expertise, the training, the fuel, the ammunition to keep these in high rotation usage? Simple question - they can't. In the coming months - most of these vehicles will be useless due to lack of replacement parts and lack of mechanical understanding of each specific vehicle. And are you genuinely terrified that the Taliban will fly a Blackhawk halfway across the globe to attack US targets?

Regarding the small arms - most of the weaponry that the Taliban have paraded was from surrendered arms from the fleeing Afghan army. And lets be honest - unlike the AK's - the M4's require servicing and cleaning regularly - in a short time most of these weapons will be malfunctioning at a very high rate because I don't think there is going to be a huge desire to breakdown, clean and reassemble the weapons every week.

Or how the service dogs that were left behind - I find this one to be truly heart-breaking. Animals made to suffer because of the actions of humans. But then I am a vegan so I practise this outrage/sadness/anger of animal treatment on a daily basis. Not sure you get to be wholly outraged against this unless you practise animal welfare throughout every aspect of your life. Or again - it is just posturing for political purposes.

Or the fact that America ran, they were challenged and kept on running. - I don't understand this point? Withdrawing from an arena of conflict when your so-called goals have been met or unsuccessful is hardly running away. 20 years seems like a fairly long time to try and achieve the goals you set. So by your logic - how much longer would the US have to stay in Afghanistan before they could leave without appearing to be running away?

Yes it could have been worse but this hurts America's standing across the board. Vietnam didn't seem to have long-term damaging effects on the US's march to global superpowerdom? The US have always walked the line between global police, global good guys, global bullies and global interferers. And again - I don't think you can level the US's global standing at teh current administration without mentioning the previous administration and their part in the US's global reputation.

And in my opinion what has happened to the people of Afghanistan is unforgivable. - It is.....but you can tell me what specific things you find to be unforgivable?

convoluted wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:20 pm

Calculon wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:39 pm Harris's still politically inexperienced so still finding her feet. Also a democrat, mixed raced women, from California with a liberal voting record is always going to trigger a certain type of person.

Had a hearty CACKLE at that one. ^^

"Trigger(s) a certain type of person" ... you mean triggers your normal Democrat??? Harris was the first Dem presidential nominee to get the arse in the primaries, rejected so solidly by Dem voters that, from memory, she had garnered a mere 2 per cent of the Dem tally before she dropped out just prior to the California primary in order to avoid utter humiliation in her home state.

And I well recall her vitriol as she pulled out, saying that she hadn't polled well because of her gender and colour ... those mysogynist, racist Nazi Dem voters !!!!!!!!

She wasn't the first to withdraw
She dropped out after Arkansas not to "avoid humiliation in California", but because it was obvious to her and the other 10 or so candidates who did the same thing that it was between Biden, Bloomberg, and Warren ("In spite of the latest declines, Harris’s decision to drop out is somewhat surprising since she’s still polling ahead of most of the Democratic field and has qualified for the next debate later this month")
Not being as popular as those three says nothing about her personal popularity, at one point she was at 15%.
VPs often haven't run for President at all. She got >60% of the vote in CA for her Senate bid, and was elected as AG twice.

As for the vitriol, you mean this? https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ce-229901/

Harris today has another explanation for her inability to get voters to see her as the next president: what she’s calling the “donkey in the room.” Before a few hundred people on a chilly October night in the Des Moines suburb of Ankeny, surrounded by hay bales and framed by the Iowa flag, she wondered aloud: “Is America ready for that? Are they ready for a woman of color to be president?

“I’m ready for it,” Harris mused, assuming the voice of an ostensibly more enlightened voter. “But I don’t know if other people are.”

ooh, feel the vitriol

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 pm

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:14 pm

No way he is running for a second term. He was always going to be a 1 termer at his age. He was just a better option than trump. Kamala won't get near it - she is a mixed race woman - no way the US is ready for her to be President.

I disagree about Harris. The main reason she's VP is because she's a woman and is brown. If she was white she'd be nowhere near her job. She's fucking useless.

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

She's brown and she's a woman.

That is all that FC needs to know that she is useless.

Do I think that Biden is the perfect choice?

No, but I think that, of the twenty or so who threw their hat in the ring, he probably had the best chance against Trump.Others probably would have been better choices, but I think Warren suffered the same flaws Hillary had (and she's in her seventies), I can't see Americans accepting Buttigieg's partner as First Lady and Beto's stance against guns was irreparable. Bernie is an out-and-out irredeemable socialist in American eyes.

Bear in mind, too, that, even with his horrendous mis-steps in handling the virus and his blatant corruption, Donald Trump still won 74.2 million votes.

I honestly think that, had Trump won, he would have been virtually unstoppable in his second term.

Having found out the complete lack of restraints on a sitting President in his first term, Trump would have pushed the envelope to the point where American democracy would be a thing of the past.

Assuming his health holds, he'll probably have another chance to consign it to the dustbin of history in 2024.

Fact is with the fillibuster and the liberal conservatives in the Senate, no Democrat is up to the job. Democracies last hope in the US was Biden. He had to show that democracy works and what he promises, in a democracy is deliverable, otherwise it is quickly going to become an autocracy.
Is Democracy itself up to the job?

With the decision in the Supreme Court to effectively allow Texas to destroy abortion rights and to turn the state into paid snitches against women...Womens rights, worker rights, racial equality, human rights, voter rights and democracy itself, are all at stake now.
Tucker Carlson etc are not playing pretend, and really do want to install a Victor Oraban style dictatorship in America.

The only question is which side are you on?

The interesting thing is that the US does not admit to being a democracy.

It is a "Democratic Republic".

The Founding Fathers never intended that the vote be universal, and the 14, 15 and 19 Amendments go directly against their intentions.

https://theconversation.com/the-right-t ... ion-144531

But the framers of the Constitution never mentioned a right to vote. They didn’t forget – they intentionally left it out. To put it most simply, the founders didn’t trust ordinary citizens to endorse the rights of others.

Rinkals wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:07 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 pm

notfatcat wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:05 pm

I disagree about Harris. The main reason she's VP is because she's a woman and is brown. If she was white she'd be nowhere near her job. She's fucking useless.

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

She's brown and she's a woman.

That is all that FC needs to know that she is useless.

So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Rinkals wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:07 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 pm

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

She's brown and she's a woman.

That is all that FC needs to know that she is useless.

So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

I don't know anything about her, I'm afraid.

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Rinkals wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:07 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:33 pm

Based on what? How is she useless in the general scheme of what a VP is required to do.

She's brown and she's a woman.

That is all that FC needs to know that she is useless.

So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

Talks very fast - over simplifies things - bases everything on revisionist history - incredibly hypocritical - a grifter and will flip-flop the moment it is beneficial for her.

The only decent thing she has ever done is call out Chrissy Teigan for being a straight up bully.

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:55 pm

Rinkals wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:07 pm

She's brown and she's a woman.

That is all that FC needs to know that she is useless.

So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

Talks very fast - over simplifies things - bases everything on revisionist history - incredibly hypocritical - a grifter and will flip-flop the moment it is beneficial for her.

The only decent thing she has ever done is call out Chrissy Teigan for being a straight up bully.

Someone doesn't like a woman of colour.....

Racist, sexist pig.

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:26 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:55 pm



So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

Talks very fast - over simplifies things - bases everything on revisionist history - incredibly hypocritical - a grifter and will flip-flop the moment it is beneficial for her.

The only decent thing she has ever done is call out Chrissy Teigan for being a straight up bully.

Someone doesn't like a woman of colour.....

Racist, sexist pig.

Oh....I see what you are clumsily trying to do.

Can you point at the part where I criticised her based on nothing more than the fact she is a woman?

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:26 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:55 pm



So what's your opinion of Candace Owens?

Talks very fast - over simplifies things - bases everything on revisionist history - incredibly hypocritical - a grifter and will flip-flop the moment it is beneficial for her.

The only decent thing she has ever done is call out Chrissy Teigan for being a straight up bully.

Someone doesn't like a woman of colour.....

Racist, sexist pig.

That was nowhere near as clever as you think.

robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:11 pm

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:26 pm

Thor Sedan wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:23 pm

Talks very fast - over simplifies things - bases everything on revisionist history - incredibly hypocritical - a grifter and will flip-flop the moment it is beneficial for her.

The only decent thing she has ever done is call out Chrissy Teigan for being a straight up bully.

Someone doesn't like a woman of colour.....

Racist, sexist pig.

That was nowhere near as clever as you think.

And that's the whole point.... identity politics is dumb.

I wasn't attacking or defending either Harris or Owens, I have no opinion of either of the two people.

But by identity politics' rules, it's taboo to criticize - rightly or wrongly so - a member of the woman/POC/LGBTQ brigade.

It's a game played by both sides of the political spectrum, and it's pathetic.

Saying a person is wrong just because that person is XYZ, is as stupid as saying that person is always right because it's a XYZ.



PS. I was hoping Rinkels took the bait. Damnit.

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:18 pm

robmatic wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:11 pm

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:26 pm


Someone doesn't like a woman of colour.....

Racist, sexist pig.

That was nowhere near as clever as you think.

And that's the whole point.... identity politics is dumb.

I wasn't attacking or defending either Harris or Owens, I have no opinion of either of the two people.

But by identity politics' rules, it's taboo to criticize - rightly or wrongly so - a member of the woman/POC/LGBTQ brigade.

It's a game played by both sides of the political spectrum, and it's pathetic.

Saying a person is wrong just because that person is XYZ, is as stupid as saying that person is always right because it's a XYZ.



PS. I was hoping Rinkels took the bait. Damnit.

Its all about appealing to the broadest possible church and that is how Harris ended up on the Democrat ticket - there was immense pressure for Biden to go with a black woman as his vice President to secure those black & female votes.

Glibtor wrote: Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:18 pm

But by identity politics' rules, it's taboo to criticize - rightly or wrongly so - a member of the woman/POC/LGBTQ brigade.

I'm no massive fan of identity politics but that's a really dumb interpretation of how it works that says more about your own view of race relations.