NPR

ASMO wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 9:26 am Very underwhelmed, some cosmetic tweaks but ultimately a missed opportunity to rethink the whole Windows ecosphere.

yermum wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:58 pm even though Bill skipped windows 9 to break the cycle

every other windoze sux balls.

Windows 2000 - Good
Windows ME - Bad
Windows XP - Good
Windows Vista - Bad
Windows 7 - Good
Windows 8 - Bad
Windows 10 - Good

so 11 will suck balls as is the tradition.

Oh happiness!

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:43 pm It's an annoying pile of shyte currently with Zero benefits to upgrading. Don't DO IT.

I upgraded my work laptop (use occasionally from home) and it's was fucking annoying right out of the box.

annoying UI changes that have been done just to annoy and fuck with muscle memory.
can't right click task bar for taskmanager
snipping tool has been ripped and not replaced, trying to search for it in store gives some dodgy fucking chinese shyte...
Ryzen processors currently taking a 15% performance hit.
new messaging app - doesn't let me login with my work provided teams account - really? still have to install Teams for work separately. you can hide the shit but not install it.

Arbitrary 'supported' hardware bullshit!
managed to also install it quiet easily on an 'unsupported' old Surface Pro 3 with a bit a trickery - also underwhelming on that but otherwise works fine on 'unsupported' Core i5 processor and 4GB ram.

I won't be installing it on my home PC anytime soon.

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:43 pm It's an annoying pile of shyte currently with Zero benefits to upgrading. Don't DO IT.

I upgraded my work laptop (use occasionally from home) and it's was fucking annoying right out of the box.

annoying UI changes that have been done just to annoy and fuck with muscle memory.
can't right click task bar for taskmanager
snipping tool has been ripped and not replaced, trying to search for it in store gives some dodgy fucking chinese shyte...
Ryzen processors currently taking a 15% performance hit.
new messaging app - doesn't let me login with my work provided teams account - really? still have to install Teams for work separately. you can hide the shit but not install it.

Arbitrary 'supported' hardware bullshit!
managed to also install it quiet easily on an 'unsupported' old Surface Pro 3 with a bit a trickery - also underwhelming on that but otherwise works fine on 'unsupported' Core i5 processor and 4GB ram.

I won't be installing it on my home PC anytime soon.

inactionman wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:12 pm Except W11 won't support the processor. There would be more to do around secure boot and a few other boot aspects as well, but the processor is the dealbreaker. It's a bogstandard desktop I5, no idea what makes it unacceptable.

Interested that you got it going on a surface pro 3. I've got a surface pro 4 that's going strong and is my main work machine, I'd be tempted to try W11 on that at some point but not if it runs risk of falling over.

Insane_Homer wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:40 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 6:12 pm Except W11 won't support the processor. There would be more to do around secure boot and a few other boot aspects as well, but the processor is the dealbreaker. It's a bogstandard desktop I5, no idea what makes it unacceptable.

Interested that you got it going on a surface pro 3. I've got a surface pro 4 that's going strong and is my main work machine, I'd be tempted to try W11 on that at some point but not if it runs risk of falling over.

It's easy enough to get around.

Download win 10 media creation tool - create USB disk from it

Download win 11 media creation tool - download ISO image

mount win 11 ISO image.

browse to the sources folder and copy the large (3.3 GB) install.esd file to the sources location on the win 10 usb stick replacing the one in there.

run setup.exe from the USB stick - the win 10 installer doesn't do any of the system checks and applied the windows 11 install

inactionman wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:43 pm W11 doesn't throw any exceptions to the secure boot and the other boot thingy whose TLA I forget? (Not sure if you had those enabled when you upgraded - they're not active on my install and not keen to paly too much as the hardware all a bit dated.)

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:32 am

inactionman wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:43 pm W11 doesn't throw any exceptions to the secure boot and the other boot thingy whose TLA I forget? (Not sure if you had those enabled when you upgraded - they're not active on my install and not keen to paly too much as the hardware all a bit dated.)

Assume you mean UEFI? Definitely would not want to be using old bootstrap on a newish machine but had never given any thought to it being made available on older devices. I assumed it would only install if your machine was capable of supporting it.

Dinsdale Piranha wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:49 am

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:32 am

inactionman wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:43 pm W11 doesn't throw any exceptions to the secure boot and the other boot thingy whose TLA I forget? (Not sure if you had those enabled when you upgraded - they're not active on my install and not keen to paly too much as the hardware all a bit dated.)

Assume you mean UEFI? Definitely would not want to be using old bootstrap on a newish machine but had never given any thought to it being made available on older devices. I assumed it would only install if your machine was capable of supporting it.

TPM, not UEFI. My motherboard has a slot for a TPM module but guess what, they've gone from 10 quid to 40 quid - if you can even find one.

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:15 am I got a prompt this morning to download a microsoft app to check if my laptop is worthy of Win11, it's not.

However the good folks decided to piggy back AVG on the download and now I can't get rid of the bastard thing, it won't uninstall and when I searched for a solution I got an avg site forum where the actual avg people were aware of the problem and their "solution" involved a multi-step process of booting into safe mode and configuring all sorts.

BASTARDS.

Does anyone know of a good tool that I can just download and it will wipe this crap off my computer?

Thanks,

seriously pissed off with those fuckers, there was nothing asking me if I wanted avg, and I don't

ASMO wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:44 pm

Tichtheid wrote: Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:15 am I got a prompt this morning to download a microsoft app to check if my laptop is worthy of Win11, it's not.

However the good folks decided to piggy back AVG on the download and now I can't get rid of the bastard thing, it won't uninstall and when I searched for a solution I got an avg site forum where the actual avg people were aware of the problem and their "solution" involved a multi-step process of booting into safe mode and configuring all sorts.

BASTARDS.

Does anyone know of a good tool that I can just download and it will wipe this crap off my computer?

Thanks,

seriously pissed off with those fuckers, there was nothing asking me if I wanted avg, and I don't

Download AVG Clear from here

https://www.avg.com/en-us/download-than ... roduct=REM