NPR

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:19 pm Any distributor, team who caught the kick.

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Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:29 pm Someone may want to use this link

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home

maybe.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:31 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:29 pm Someone may want to use this link

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home

maybe.

This option was discounted as being far too utterly tedious.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:25 pm

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:19 pm Any distributor, team who caught the kick.

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Question part 2:
Is it just for someone looking to distribute? I ask as I've seen direct counter-rucks on players looking to pick and go.

This could just be my bad eyesight or bad referring, of course.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:31 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:29 pm Someone may want to use this link

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home

maybe.

This option was discounted as being far too utterly tedious.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:38 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:31 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:29 pm Someone may want to use this link

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home

maybe.

This option was discounted as being far too utterly tedious.

Go, chase your windmills.

We'll wait.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:11 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:38 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:31 pm

This option was discounted as being far too utterly tedious.

Go, chase your windmills.

We'll wait.

This may not be an ideal thread for you.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:15 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:11 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:38 pm

Go, chase your windmills.

We'll wait.

This may not be an ideal thread for you.

au contraire... this is how it works. A query, the various competing theories, an escalation in hostilities and then someone slams the Book down in a dramatic act implying finality...

is ignored and the jousting continues, albeit on a different tack.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:18 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:15 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:11 pm

This may not be an ideal thread for you.

au contraire... this is how it works. A query, the various competing theories, an escalation in hostilities and then someone slams the Book down in a dramatic act implying finality...

is ignored and the jousting continues, albeit on a different tack.

I was planning on building up to deconstructing every single scrum penalty Steve 'Walsh' Welsh ever gave against England, but we'll perhaps see where the thread meanders to first.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:18 pm

I was planning on building up to deconstructing every single scrum penalty Steve 'Walsh' Welsh ever gave against England, but we'll perhaps see where the thread meanders to first.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:29 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:18 pm

I was planning on building up to deconstructing every single scrum penalty Steve 'Walsh' Welsh ever gave against England, but we'll perhaps see where the thread meanders to first.

Yet the idea of referring to the Laws is something you claim as being too much effort?

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:34 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:29 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:18 pm

I was planning on building up to deconstructing every single scrum penalty Steve 'Walsh' Welsh ever gave against England, but we'll perhaps see where the thread meanders to first.

Yet the idea of referring to the Laws is something you claim as being too much effort?

I said tedious. The effort was implied.

Going through Steve Walsh's penalty history would actually be quite cathartic.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:14 pm I could of course consult the rulebook (Lawbook sounds daft before anyone starts) but that would imply effort.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:46 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:34 pm

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:29 pm

Yet the idea of referring to the Laws is something you claim as being too much effort?

I said tedious. The effort was implied.

Going through Steve Walsh's penalty history would actually be quite cathartic.

Actually, you said effort.

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:14 pm I could of course consult the rulebook (Lawbook sounds daft before anyone starts) but that would imply effort.

Grandpa wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:57 pm Apparently you are not allowed to throw the ball forward and re-catch it.. but can throw it backwards and re-catch it... at least there is no law against that...

So my question is.. can an opposition player tackle you while you throw the ball slightly backwards but up in the air? Or would that be tackling a player without the ball?

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:12 pm

Grandpa wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:57 pm Apparently you are not allowed to throw the ball forward and re-catch it.. but can throw it backwards and re-catch it... at least there is no law against that...

So my question is.. can an opposition player tackle you while you throw the ball slightly backwards but up in the air? Or would that be tackling a player without the ball?

I remember Brian O'Driscoll essentially passing to himself and beating a man in the process - no sanction that I recall.

I would think you'd be fair game for a tackle, as you can be tackled whilst juggling to control a ball and I'd assume it'd fall into that category. You haven't relinquished possession of the ball.

Mind you, if you hurtled it fifty feet into the air and got smashed I'd think most refs wouldn't look too kindly on the tackler.

Maybe Guy can furnish us with the chapter and verse?

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:21 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:12 pm

Grandpa wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:57 pm Apparently you are not allowed to throw the ball forward and re-catch it.. but can throw it backwards and re-catch it... at least there is no law against that...

So my question is.. can an opposition player tackle you while you throw the ball slightly backwards but up in the air? Or would that be tackling a player without the ball?

I remember Brian O'Driscoll essentially passing to himself and beating a man in the process - no sanction that I recall.

I would think you'd be fair game for a tackle, as you can be tackled whilst juggling to control a ball and I'd assume it'd fall into that category. You haven't relinquished possession of the ball.

Mind you, if you hurtled it fifty feet into the air and got smashed I'd think most refs wouldn't look too kindly on the tackler.

Maybe Guy can furnish us with the chapter and verse?

From the moment you touch the ball you're fair game.

Niegs wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:55 pm One I had to look up this weekend after being asked by one of my players is what conditions allow you to jump and prevent a ball from going into touch. Something I wish WR would do with sections like this (18.2) is bold key words as I had a read it a few times to pick out the distinction between two phrases that were similar.

1. Can stand IN the field of play and CATCH a ball in the air that HAS crossed the line of touch.
2. Can stand OUT of the field of play and KNOCK* a ball in the air into the field of play so long as the ball HASN'T crossed the line of touch.
3. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and CATCH a ball that has crossed the line of touch, but that player MUST LAND in the field of play.
4. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and KNOCK back into play a ball that has crossed the line of touch, can land either in or out.

I'm sure this is one of those many laws that WR could simplify further (ball crosses the line in the air or on the ground, it's out - period), but they seem to want to let Clever Jakes have tricky moments that are a bit exciting but confusing for the majority.

Woddy wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:14 pm

Niegs wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:55 pm One I had to look up this weekend after being asked by one of my players is what conditions allow you to jump and prevent a ball from going into touch. Something I wish WR would do with sections like this (18.2) is bold key words as I had a read it a few times to pick out the distinction between two phrases that were similar.

1. Can stand IN the field of play and CATCH a ball in the air that HAS crossed the line of touch.
2. Can stand OUT of the field of play and KNOCK* a ball in the air into the field of play so long as the ball HASN'T crossed the line of touch.
3. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and CATCH a ball that has crossed the line of touch, but that player MUST LAND in the field of play.
4. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and KNOCK back into play a ball that has crossed the line of touch, can land either in or out.

I'm sure this is one of those many laws that WR could simplify further (ball crosses the line in the air or on the ground, it's out - period), but they seem to want to let Clever Jakes have tricky moments that are a bit exciting but confusing for the majority.

For once, I think the rules are pretty clear on this: a ball is in touch if it lands in touch, meaning if it hits either the ground across the line of touch or a player touching the ground across the line of touch. It can do what it likes in the air before that point. So, your 2 is in touch, whereas 1, 3 and 4 are in. There may be a qualification on a player jumping into the air from outside the line of touch to amend 4 slightly. I don't know.

What's great is that to be in touch, the ball must be out; and to be in, it can't be in touch. Not dissimilar to batting: when you go out, you're in; and when you're out, you come in.

Woddy wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:18 pm

Woddy wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:14 pm

Niegs wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:55 pm One I had to look up this weekend after being asked by one of my players is what conditions allow you to jump and prevent a ball from going into touch. Something I wish WR would do with sections like this (18.2) is bold key words as I had a read it a few times to pick out the distinction between two phrases that were similar.

1. Can stand IN the field of play and CATCH a ball in the air that HAS crossed the line of touch.
2. Can stand OUT of the field of play and KNOCK* a ball in the air into the field of play so long as the ball HASN'T crossed the line of touch.
3. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and CATCH a ball that has crossed the line of touch, but that player MUST LAND in the field of play.
4. Can jump from INSIDE or OUTSIDE the field of play and KNOCK back into play a ball that has crossed the line of touch, can land either in or out.

I'm sure this is one of those many laws that WR could simplify further (ball crosses the line in the air or on the ground, it's out - period), but they seem to want to let Clever Jakes have tricky moments that are a bit exciting but confusing for the majority.

For once, I think the rules are pretty clear on this: a ball is in touch if it lands in touch, meaning if it hits either the ground across the line of touch or a player touching the ground across the line of touch. It can do what it likes in the air before that point. So, your 2 is in touch, whereas 1, 3 and 4 are in. There may be a qualification on a player jumping into the air from outside the line of touch to amend 4 slightly. I don't know.

What's great is that to be in touch, the ball must be out; and to be in, it can't be in touch. Not dissimilar to batting: when you go out, you're in; and when you're out, you come in.

PS. One complication being that although the ball falling outside touch defines it being in touch, where it should be played back in is taken from where it crossed the line of touch. So what would happen in a peculiarly swirling wind where a ball is kicked, flies over touch, in then blown back in and then out again before hitting the ground. Would the line-out be from the first or second crossing of the line?

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:02 pm Are you allowed to touch the posts during an opposition kick for goal?

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:21 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 7:02 pm Are you allowed to touch the posts during an opposition kick for goal?

Without going too Finbarr Saunders, are you thinking of wobbling the uprights?

Biffer wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:53 pm The one that confuses me is when a box kick goes virtually straight up and the ref calls a player for not being back ten. Not clear how that works.

Guy Smiley wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:29 pm Someone may want to use this link

https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home

maybe.

troglodiet wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:10 pm Playing advantage to the attacking team within 10m from their opponent's try line...

Is there any way for the defending team to play out the advantage - i.e "advantage over" without the attacking team being given a penalty kick if they don't score a try?

As I see it, playing advantage to the attacking team within 10m of the try line, can only result in two possible outcomes: try/penalty try or penalty to the attacking team.

Grandpa wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:48 pm

Happyhooker wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:21 pm

inactionman wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:12 pm

I remember Brian O'Driscoll essentially passing to himself and beating a man in the process - no sanction that I recall.

I would think you'd be fair game for a tackle, as you can be tackled whilst juggling to control a ball and I'd assume it'd fall into that category. You haven't relinquished possession of the ball.

Mind you, if you hurtled it fifty feet into the air and got smashed I'd think most refs wouldn't look too kindly on the tackler.

Maybe Guy can furnish us with the chapter and verse?

From the moment you touch the ball you're fair game.

What if you threw it high in the air to someone standing behind you? But then decided to re-catch it yourself? How would a ref or tackler know if you have passed it to another player... or to yourself... until the other player catches it? I'm sure this anomaly could be exploited... though you'd probably only get away with it once per game...

Enzedder wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:36 am If you knock a ball on and one of your players picks it up in an offside position, is that a penalty or the end of the game? The scrumhalf gets snotklap by all his forwards

Asking for a French ref.

Also, if you pass the ball very badly and your team-mate jumps in the air to catch it, can you be tackled while in the air or is it a penalty to the side that can pass the ball? The scrumhalf gets executed by firing squad after the game

Asking for a French ref.

Enzedder wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:36 am If you knock a ball on and one of your players picks it up in an offside position, is that a penalty or the end of the game?

Asking for a French ref.

Also, if you pass the ball very badly and your team-mate jumps in the air to catch it, can you be tackled while in the air or is it a penalty to the side that can pass the ball?

Asking for a French ref.

Grandpa wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:36 am

Enzedder wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:36 am If you knock a ball on and one of your players picks it up in an offside position, is that a penalty or the end of the game?

Asking for a French ref.

Also, if you pass the ball very badly and your team-mate jumps in the air to catch it, can you be tackled while in the air or is it a penalty to the side that can pass the ball?

Asking for a French ref.

In 2025 in an effort to "right the wrongs" of past misdemeanours, World Rugby awards the 2017 Lions series to NZ. Then also awards the 2011 World Cup to France.

Also, The 2015 World Cup semi-final between Australia and Argentina is to be re-played between Argentina and Scotland instead. With the final also to be replayed between the winners of that first semi-final and the All Blacks. Many players will need to come out of retirement to play.

average joe wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:56 am

Grandpa wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:36 am

Enzedder wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:36 am If you knock a ball on and one of your players picks it up in an offside position, is that a penalty or the end of the game?

Asking for a French ref.

Also, if you pass the ball very badly and your team-mate jumps in the air to catch it, can you be tackled while in the air or is it a penalty to the side that can pass the ball?

Asking for a French ref.

In 2025 in an effort to "right the wrongs" of past misdemeanours, World Rugby awards the 2017 Lions series to NZ. Then also awards the 2011 World Cup to France.

Also, The 2015 World Cup semi-final between Australia and Argentina is to be re-played between Argentina and Scotland instead. With the final also to be replayed between the winners of that first semi-final and the All Blacks. Many players will need to come out of retirement to play.

How far do you want to go back? Next thing you'll be blaming Jan van Riebeeck for 95 WC