6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:38 pm
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Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:44 pm
Well they can get stuffed. The 6N is effectively the European championship. This is like introducing some random African or whatever team into the football European Cup, or whatever they call it now.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:45 pm
That would be an absolute disgrace.
I'd hope fans world boycott the South Africa matches if true.
It would destroy the tournament.
I'd hope fans world boycott the South Africa matches if true.
It would destroy the tournament.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:47 pm
Haven't SA already committed to the RC till 2030?
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:53 pm
Fucking awful idea.
Please fuck of with this shit.
Please fuck of with this shit.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:59 pm
+1.Kawazaki wrote: Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:45 pm That would be an absolute disgrace.
I'd hope fans world boycott the South Africa matches if true.
It would destroy the tournament.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:08 pm
Sadly, I think the audience of largely casual rugby fans probably won't care. Some might grumble a bit, but it'll pass.
I would certainly boycott any SA games.
I would certainly boycott any SA games.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:23 pm
So much for player welfare.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 am
Only the next 3 years, apparently.
I genuinely think that would be it for me and rugby, at least pro rugby. As a Scotland supporter what's the point in being in a tournament we realistically will never win. I'm not that interested in pro club rugby, not that interested in Autumn internationals or summer tours, and not really that interested in the World Cup, but the 6N is, and always has been, a huge part of my life. Fuck them all.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:22 am
No need to start a new thread. I told you this a looooonnnnggg time ago.
https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... &start=600
https://www.notplanetrugby.com/viewtopi ... &start=600
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:56 am
Ah, but this thread doesn't have the Saffer bullshit in it, making it a much better place.
Just like the 6 Nations, really.
Absolutely terrible idea. I've largely stopped watching cricket because of its closed-shop nature - honestly don't care about the Ashes etc. as it seems to come around every few months. Would be a shame if rugby went down the same road.
Just like the 6 Nations, really.
Absolutely terrible idea. I've largely stopped watching cricket because of its closed-shop nature - honestly don't care about the Ashes etc. as it seems to come around every few months. Would be a shame if rugby went down the same road.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:09 am
Good riddance, we don't need negative nancies and fair weather fans in our new comp.Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 amOnly the next 3 years, apparently.
I genuinely think that would be it for me and rugby, at least pro rugby. As a Scotland supporter what's the point in being in a tournament we realistically will never win. I'm not that interested in pro club rugby, not that interested in Autumn internationals or summer tours, and not really that interested in the World Cup, but the 6N is, and always has been, a huge part of my life. Fuck them all.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:11 am
To be fair, I think it's a terrible idea. I'd much rather we maintain the current setup and play Australia and New Zealand every year and we do our traditional EOYT to Europe.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:33 am
A fine example of why we don't want you in our compaverage joe wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:09 amGood riddance, we don't need negative nancies and fair weather fans in our new comp.Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 amOnly the next 3 years, apparently.
I genuinely think that would be it for me and rugby, at least pro rugby. As a Scotland supporter what's the point in being in a tournament we realistically will never win. I'm not that interested in pro club rugby, not that interested in Autumn internationals or summer tours, and not really that interested in the World Cup, but the 6N is, and always has been, a huge part of my life. Fuck them all.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:51 am
I believe that may be the famed South African humour at work. At least I hope it is, otherwiseSaintK wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:33 amA fine example of why we don't want you in our compaverage joe wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:09 amGood riddance, we don't need negative nancies and fair weather fans in our new comp.Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:18 am
Only the next 3 years, apparently.
I genuinely think that would be it for me and rugby, at least pro rugby. As a Scotland supporter what's the point in being in a tournament we realistically will never win. I'm not that interested in pro club rugby, not that interested in Autumn internationals or summer tours, and not really that interested in the World Cup, but the 6N is, and always has been, a huge part of my life. Fuck them all.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:01 am
Sad but probably inevitable that it would get floated at some point, money talks. Would say that there's a long way from this to it being implemented - see the Super League in football.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:02 am
Humour and South African in the same sentence, now that is a first.sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:51 amI believe that may be the famed South African humour at work. At least I hope it is, otherwiseSaintK wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:33 amA fine example of why we don't want you in our compaverage joe wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:09 am
Good riddance, we don't need negative nancies and fair weather fans in our new comp.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:02 am
What a shite idea, no thanks.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:03 am
If it happens, it will hurt NZ badly.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:10 am
Very badly.. along with Australia and Argentina. They'd be forced into embracing Japan to survive... and while it may work economically, the rugby will be as loose as a scared goose...
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:10 am
If it happens, it'll hurt the players badly. Player welfare be damned, eh.
It'll also massively devalue South African players in England, which is good and bad.
It'll also massively devalue South African players in England, which is good and bad.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:13 am
Exactly.Grandpa wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:10 amVery badly.. along with Australia and Argentina. They'd be forced into embracing Japan to survive... and while it may work economically, the rugby will be as loose as a scared goose...
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:21 am
Yeah. Underneath the headline of the report I read it decided to mention the fact that the 6N pretty much said no 3 months ago and reiterated that stance at the start of the 6NPaddington Bear wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:01 am Sad but probably inevitable that it would get floated at some point, money talks. Would say that there's a long way from this to it being implemented - see the Super League in football.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:39 pm
Howdie fellow Europeans!
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:40 pm
Fuck off, we're full
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:46 pm
Can we have Argentina instead please? I quite fancy an away trip to Buenos Aires.
In all seriousness, no, this is what autumn internationals are for.
In all seriousness, no, this is what autumn internationals are for.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:02 pm
If it's all about the money, how long until the money starts whispering, "Why don't we have New Zealand in this competition? Surely everyone wants to see the best teams playing?"
Who gets the boot then, Scotland?
Who gets the boot then, Scotland?
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:03 pm
Let's not be too hasty, it might be Wales.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:02 pm If it's all about the money, how long until the money starts whispering, "Why don't we have New Zealand in this competition? Surely everyone wants to see the best teams playing?"
Who gets the boot then, Scotland?
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:10 pm
I'd be quite happy for England to go off and form a league with those big boys and leave the rest of us to enjoy some quality weekends.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:03 pmLet's not be too hasty, it might be Wales.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:02 pm If it's all about the money, how long until the money starts whispering, "Why don't we have New Zealand in this competition? Surely everyone wants to see the best teams playing?"
Who gets the boot then, Scotland?
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:18 pm
I wish Germany would hurry up and become competitive. A rugby weekend in Munich would be braw.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:42 pm
Curious reply. I can only assume you've been stung by the £6.50 pints at HQ?Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:10 pmI'd be quite happy for England to go off and form a league with those big boys and leave the rest of us to enjoy some quality weekends.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:03 pmLet's not be too hasty, it might be Wales.Tichtheid wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:02 pm If it's all about the money, how long until the money starts whispering, "Why don't we have New Zealand in this competition? Surely everyone wants to see the best teams playing?"
Who gets the boot then, Scotland?
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:48 pm
Well then why do world clubs import South Africans in such huge numbers? I'd love to stay in the Rugby Championship with NZ and Aus. But big money has decided and it looks inevitable that we'll be joining Scotland as the second African team in the 6N.Marylandolorian wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:21 pm Awful idea when you see the type of rugby SA offers plus the money they won’t bring .
Doesn’t World Rugby want to add a world clubs championship also or some like that?
The 5 Nations will be better, with a duration of 4 weeks with one team resting each weekend.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:51 pm
It's that and the thunderous braying.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:42 pmCurious reply. I can only assume you've been stung by the £6.50 pints at HQ?Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:10 pmI'd be quite happy for England to go off and form a league with those big boys and leave the rest of us to enjoy some quality weekends.
Nah, I have had some of my best rugby days at Twickers when I lived down there in all seriousness, but it is my least favourite of the 6N fixtures to travel too as an away supporter.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:01 pm
I'm a bit surprised by that, it's not really a game that's attracted the sneering dickheads in the way football tends to. Appreciate the location, if nothing else, is painful for anyone who has to travel any significant way.Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:51 pmIt's that and the thunderous braying.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:42 pmCurious reply. I can only assume you've been stung by the £6.50 pints at HQ?Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:10 pm
I'd be quite happy for England to go off and form a league with those big boys and leave the rest of us to enjoy some quality weekends.
Nah, I have had some of my best rugby days at Twickers when I lived down there in all seriousness, but it is my least favourite of the 6N fixtures to travel too as an away supporter.
I've not actually had many awaydays - mostly got my England home games through old club which took up bulk of my day passes - but on England-Wales matchdays we got an influx of Welsh clowns in Bath who just seemed hell-bent on jeering and starting fights. Unsurprisingly I never enjoyed that, took all the fun and - as you can imagine - bonhomie right out of it. Sad part was there would be a bunch of lads from south Wales who just came for nice day out in a rugby-focused town and were very good value, leaving me wondering why they all couldn't be like that. Never had any trouble with Welsh fans at Twickenham, boisterous but very good natured. It's all context, I suppose.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:02 pm
I have never agreed with it. The URC is an education in what lies in store. I mean really.
Sadly there are South African franchises that have sore bums from the anal beating they have taken from New Zealand teams and that is where the most interest in this has been generated. For the rest of us who enjoy the challenge and have taken it to the New Zealand teams its going to be a huge loss. How many South African franchises have beaten the Crusaders in Christchurch. How many franchises have traveled to New Zealand and come back with a positive win ratio.
I can imagine that this is how Wales or Scotland might feel after a few years of beatings. Looking for an easier competition instead of manning the vok up and getting stuck in.
Also I am so sick and tired of playing other Saffer unions month in and month out. We have been sold out.
Sadly there are South African franchises that have sore bums from the anal beating they have taken from New Zealand teams and that is where the most interest in this has been generated. For the rest of us who enjoy the challenge and have taken it to the New Zealand teams its going to be a huge loss. How many South African franchises have beaten the Crusaders in Christchurch. How many franchises have traveled to New Zealand and come back with a positive win ratio.
I can imagine that this is how Wales or Scotland might feel after a few years of beatings. Looking for an easier competition instead of manning the vok up and getting stuck in.
Also I am so sick and tired of playing other Saffer unions month in and month out. We have been sold out.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:13 pm
They're cheap, they're massive, and they're available for almost the entire season.FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:48 pmWell then why do world clubs import South Africans in such huge numbers? I'd love to stay in the Rugby Championship with NZ and Aus. But big money has decided and it looks inevitable that we'll be joining Scotland as the second African team in the 6N.Marylandolorian wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:21 pm Awful idea when you see the type of rugby SA offers plus the money they won’t bring .
Doesn’t World Rugby want to add a world clubs championship also or some like that?
The 5 Nations will be better, with a duration of 4 weeks with one team resting each weekend.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:36 pm
Because it's your coaching and national mindset about how to play that's at fault, not the raw athletic merits of your players. Get them into coaching set ups that ask them to do more than just run into people or who partner them up with other players who do more than that and rugby that isn't the equivalent of eye cancer can be played. Also bear in mind that most clubs rarely have more than a handful of South Africans, there might be a lot of them sprinkled among the leagues in total, but they're not so sought after that clubs completely overhaul their rosters (Sale being a notable exception).FalseBayFC wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:48 pmWell then why do world clubs import South Africans in such huge numbers? I'd love to stay in the Rugby Championship with NZ and Aus. But big money has decided and it looks inevitable that we'll be joining Scotland as the second African team in the 6N.Marylandolorian wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:21 pm Awful idea when you see the type of rugby SA offers plus the money they won’t bring .
Doesn’t World Rugby want to add a world clubs championship also or some like that?
The 5 Nations will be better, with a duration of 4 weeks with one team resting each weekend.
Plus what the others said about relative cheapness and availability during the season.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:53 pm
The sense I always have is Twickenham is a game in a big city without novelty for Brits. Edinburgh/Cardiff are cities of a size where the matchday takes over the city. London/Paris/Rome aren't. Rome and Paris have the excitement of being 'properly' away with a very different culture and all that entails. SdF is fine but is in a crap part of town with nowhere to drink round it. Still, being away in Paris has it's own charms. Stadio Olimpico is in the middle of absolutely nowhere but who complains about going to Rome? Etc etc.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:01 pmI'm a bit surprised by that, it's not really a game that's attracted the sneering dickheads in the way football tends to. Appreciate the location, if nothing else, is painful for anyone who has to travel any significant way.Slick wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:51 pmIt's that and the thunderous braying.inactionman wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:42 pm
Curious reply. I can only assume you've been stung by the £6.50 pints at HQ?
Nah, I have had some of my best rugby days at Twickers when I lived down there in all seriousness, but it is my least favourite of the 6N fixtures to travel too as an away supporter.
I've not actually had many awaydays - mostly got my England home games through old club which took up bulk of my day passes - but on England-Wales matchdays we got an influx of Welsh clowns in Bath who just seemed hell-bent on jeering and starting fights. Unsurprisingly I never enjoyed that, took all the fun and - as you can imagine - bonhomie right out of it. Sad part was there would be a bunch of lads from south Wales who just came for nice day out in a rugby-focused town and were very good value, leaving me wondering why they all couldn't be like that. Never had any trouble with Welsh fans at Twickenham, boisterous but very good natured. It's all context, I suppose.
Fwiw I enjoy matchdays at Twickenham but there's no point expecting London to shut down for the rugby. There's a small area of town that does and if you stay round there you're among people who (generally) know the sport and have interest in the game.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:08 pm
Oh well, I'm looking forward to it. Be great to fly to Europe for a 6 Nations tour. We can be the pantomime villains of the tournament. It'll be great! Just you watch.
Re: 6 Nations. But not as we know it
Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:19 pm
Can SA afford to buy themselves inFalseBayFC wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:08 pm Oh well, I'm looking forward to it. Be great to fly to Europe for a 6 Nations tour. We can be the pantomime villains of the tournament. It'll be great! Just you watch.
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