Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:56 pm
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Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:58 pm
Hopefully worth watching but we’ll see
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:07 pm
Nope
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:07 pm
If they played the Springboks the whole swarm would have been here
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:24 pm
Italy’s defensive set up is clearly much improved, but it looks like they could attack all day and not score
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:25 pm
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:25 pm
Game over now, Italy Red card
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:27 pm
Uncontested scrums, no atmosphere, unavoidable TMO delays. This is not a spectacle
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:31 pm
Referee demanding that Italy go down to 13 now as well, which seems ridiculous.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:27 pm Uncontested scrums, no atmosphere, unavoidable TMO delays. This is not a spectacle
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:36 pm
Unfortunately, it is the law. If you are unable to field a front row that can contest scrums, you go down a man. It's fucking ludicrous.Lobby wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:31 pmReferee demanding that Italy go down to 13 now as well, which seems ridiculous.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:27 pm Uncontested scrums, no atmosphere, unavoidable TMO delays. This is not a spectacle
Obviously in this instance it's compounded by one of the absentees being due to a red card, but I've seen it happen elsewhere when two front rowers in the same position are lost to injury in the same match and had to play with 14 for a spell. I appreciate that it's to discourage abuse of 'injured' players when a scrum is being pasted, but making a team play with a man down after experiencing misfortune like that is just needlessly punishing bad luck.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:37 pm
It’s shit - IIRC didn’t it get brought in after a period of farcical pisstaking?
Still, ought to be some materiality
Still, ought to be some materiality
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:39 pm
I bet there will be an amendment/clarification to that law to exclude uncontested scrums caused by red cards following this.
You can't lose two players for one red card. It's absurd.
You can't lose two players for one red card. It's absurd.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:40 pm
I wonder if a Barnes etc level ref would have unilaterally declared they could play with 14.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:42 pm
They might have to review that law after such a high profile match descending into farce like this.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:36 pmUnfortunately, it is the law. If you are unable to field a front row that can contest scrums, you go down a man. It's fucking ludicrous.Lobby wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:31 pmReferee demanding that Italy go down to 13 now as well, which seems ridiculous.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:27 pm Uncontested scrums, no atmosphere, unavoidable TMO delays. This is not a spectacle
Obviously in this instance it's compounded by one of the absentees being due to a red card, but I've seen it happen elsewhere when two front rowers in the same position are lost to injury in the same match and had to play with 14 for a spell. I appreciate that it's to discourage abuse of 'injured' players when a scrum is being pasted, but making a team play with a man down after experiencing misfortune like that is just needlessly punishing bad luck.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:43 pm
Probably not. If Italy ended up pulling off a miracle with 14 it would cause a huge stink.Paddington Bear wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:40 pm I wonder if a Barnes etc level ref would have unilaterally declared they could play with 14.
This matrix just needs to change urgently though to stop this ever happening in a big game again.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:44 pm
Here's hoping. Even between more evenly matched teams, 13 vs 15 for an hour would be a cakewalk for the team with the numeric advantage.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:39 pm I bet there will be an amendment/clarification to that law to exclude uncontested scrums caused by red cards following this.
You can't lose two players for one red card. It's absurd.
Can a team voluntarily go a man down? If Ireland want to get anything meaningful out of this as far as testing players goes, they could drop to 14.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:46 pm
Georgian ref making sure Italy get kicked out of the comp, 4D chess...
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:53 pm
Farcical rule. It's made an absolute mocker of this game.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:55 pm
Ireland won’t do that. They’ll want to rack up a score just in case points difference becomes the determining factor for the Championship.sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:44 pmHere's hoping. Even between more evenly matched teams, 13 vs 15 for an hour would be a cakewalk for the team with the numeric advantage.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:39 pm I bet there will be an amendment/clarification to that law to exclude uncontested scrums caused by red cards following this.
You can't lose two players for one red card. It's absurd.
Can a team voluntarily go a man down? If Ireland want to get anything meaningful out of this as far as testing players goes, they could drop to 14.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:56 pm
The more I think about it, the crazier it is. What absolute moron came up with the stipulation that it applies to reds as well?
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:00 pm
If it's a red followed by an injury, then sure, but an injury followed by a red? It's a bit daft.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:56 pm The more I think about it, the crazier it is. What absolute moron came up with the stipulation that it applies to reds as well?
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:02 pm
The rule is shite and the Italian player didn't need to tackle like that.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:04 pm
For sure. The red first wouldn't come into it at all.Raggs wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:00 pmIf it's a red followed by an injury, then sure, but an injury followed by a red? It's a bit daft.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:56 pm The more I think about it, the crazier it is. What absolute moron came up with the stipulation that it applies to reds as well?
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
It's where the red is triggering things going uncontested. I.e activating the matrix above
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:04 pm
Although, there definitely should be a front row brought on and team made to pack down with 8. That bit is correct IMO.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:07 pm
Agree with that, no issue.Big D wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:04 pm Although, there definitely should be a front row brought on and team made to pack down with 8. That bit is correct IMO.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:09 pm
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:19 pm
I know there's a long way to go, but imo Italy are more than justifying their place in the tournament with this spirited resistance under extreme circumstances.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:35 pm
Surely there are better wingers in Ireland than Lowe, he is the very definition of ordinary.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:48 pm
Italy finishing the game with 12!
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:48 pm
Down to 12 now, farcical.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:51 pm
Ireland have scored more than 50 against Italy in their last three Six Nations games, so the fact they haven’t done any better than that against 13 (and now 12) men is a tribute to how much Italy have fought in this match.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:55 pm
Fair play Italy, horrendous circumstances
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:56 pm
Why did Italy have to restart after Ireland were held up in goal? Couldn’t that have been the end of the match?
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:57 pm
Time wasn't upMahoney wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:56 pm Why did Italy have to restart after Ireland were held up in goal? Couldn’t that have been the end of the match?
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:59 pm
I think the ref said there were still 8 seconds left when play was stopped. A more sympathetic ref would have simply blown for time, given the result wasn’t in doubt.Mahoney wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:56 pm Why did Italy have to restart after Ireland were held up in goal? Couldn’t that have been the end of the match?
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:02 pm
As usual in any walk of life some people/teams take the piss and so ridiculous laws are needed.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:56 pm The more I think about it, the crazier it is. What absolute moron came up with the stipulation that it applies to reds as well?
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
Anyway, well done Italy, particularly the skipper, but as someone else said this may actually perversely stop some of the chucking out chat
Also, well done the ref, huge day for him and Georgian rugby and he did as well as he couple with all that thrown at him
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:03 pm
Bad luck Italy, you got the shitty end of the law book; but the players played their guts out, & that's all you can ask of them.
Forza Italia !
Forza Italia !
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:16 pm
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:16 pm
Good effort from Italy - pretty ordinary from Ireland but I guess they lost their intensity when the contest effectively ended well before HT.
Re: Last minute Ireland v Italy fred
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:18 pm
When has a team ever deliberately conceded a red card to depower a scrum?Slick wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:02 pmAs usual in any walk of life some people/teams take the piss and so ridiculous laws are needed.Margin__Walker wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:56 pm The more I think about it, the crazier it is. What absolute moron came up with the stipulation that it applies to reds as well?
It all makes sense for injuries and front rows getting dicked pulling a fast one on that front. For red cards? No chance, you're already down a man. No one is purposefully getting a red card to depower a scrum.
It's beyond stupid from WR.
Anyway, well done Italy, particularly the skipper, but as someone else said this may actually perversely stop some of the chucking out chat
Also, well done the ref, huge day for him and Georgian rugby and he did as well as he couple with all that thrown at him
It's just not a thing.