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Already suspended for the reckless red, but Paris have suspended him until the end of the season for discipline issues involving alcoholism. Looks like the end of the road for him in the capital.

6 yellows and 2 reds in 3/4 season should be enough to boot him without booze issues.

clydecloggie wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:23 am 6 yellows and 2 reds in 3/4 season should be enough to boot him without booze issues.

2 yellows a season isn't that intense. The reds are a problem, obviously.

edit: There are 18 players in the Premiership with 2 or more yellow cards this season. More in the Top14 (and they have loads with 3, not just 2). Only 3 in the Pro14. Very interesting discrepancy, but I suspect the difference in refereeing is the explanation here.

Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:31 am

clydecloggie wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:23 am 6 yellows and 2 reds in 3/4 season should be enough to boot him without booze issues.

2 yellows a season isn't that intense. The reds are a problem, obviously.

edit: There are 18 players in the Premiership with 2 or more yellow cards this season. More in the Top14 (and they have loads with 3, not just 2). Only 3 in the Pro14. Very interesting discrepancy, but I suspect the difference in refereeing is the explanation here.

2 yellows isn't but 6 is. He has played in 21 club matches this year and been carded in 7 of them. 6 of those games he has started in missing 60min for sin bins plus another 30 or so until an inevitable hooker sub, plus the last 15 or so last weekend.

Causing your team to play with 14 men for a third of games you are involved in is a huge issue.

Big D wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:10 am

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:31 am

clydecloggie wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:23 am 6 yellows and 2 reds in 3/4 season should be enough to boot him without booze issues.

2 yellows a season isn't that intense. The reds are a problem, obviously.

edit: There are 18 players in the Premiership with 2 or more yellow cards this season. More in the Top14 (and they have loads with 3, not just 2). Only 3 in the Pro14. Very interesting discrepancy, but I suspect the difference in refereeing is the explanation here.

2 yellows isn't but 6 is. He has played in 21 club matches this year and been carded in 7 of them. 6 of those games he has started in missing 60min for sin bins plus another 30 or so until an inevitable hooker sub, plus the last 15 or so last weekend.

Causing your team to play with 14 men for a third of games you are involved in is a huge issue.

Totally agree, and I just realised I misread "3/4 season" as "3/4 seasons" rather than "3/4 of a season", so while my stats gasm was fun, it's also completely off base. Sorry clydecloggie!

Hopefully Stade are getting him support for any alcohol issues. May be a liability on the field but hope he overcomes any demons he may have.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:31 am

clydecloggie wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:23 am 6 yellows and 2 reds in 3/4 season should be enough to boot him without booze issues.

2 yellows a season isn't that intense. The reds are a problem, obviously.

edit: There are 18 players in the Premiership with 2 or more yellow cards this season. More in the Top14 (and they have loads with 3, not just 2). Only 3 in the Pro14. Very interesting discrepancy, but I suspect the difference in refereeing is the explanation here.

The red and yellow cards listed are for this season alone, not the last 4 seasons. To pick up 8 cards in just three quarters of a season (less if you count the number of games missed for disciplinary reasons), and with two of them being red, is pretty special, and makes even Lavanini's disciplinary record look reasonable.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:12 am

Big D wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:10 am

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:31 am

2 yellows a season isn't that intense. The reds are a problem, obviously.

edit: There are 18 players in the Premiership with 2 or more yellow cards this season. More in the Top14 (and they have loads with 3, not just 2). Only 3 in the Pro14. Very interesting discrepancy, but I suspect the difference in refereeing is the explanation here.

2 yellows isn't but 6 is. He has played in 21 club matches this year and been carded in 7 of them. 6 of those games he has started in missing 60min for sin bins plus another 30 or so until an inevitable hooker sub, plus the last 15 or so last weekend.

Causing your team to play with 14 men for a third of games you are involved in is a huge issue.

Totally agree, and I just realised I misread "3/4 season" as "3/4 seasons" rather than "3/4 of a season", so while my stats gasm was fun, it's also completely off base. Sorry clydecloggie!

I don't blame you for misreading it. 8 cards in 21 games is special.

I think over the 21 games he has caused his team to play over 90mins with 14 men. Terrible discipline.

The coaching team at Stade have said the latest card is on them for picking him to begin with. Exactly how obvious it was his issues meant he doesn't belong on a rugby pitch I don't know, but he's got some work to do to earn another chance, work that could easily take him longer than his ban (whether the club or game one)

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:01 am https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/champion ... tory.shtml

Already suspended for the reckless red, but Paris have suspended him until the end of the season for discipline issues involving alcoholism. Looks like the end of the road for him in the capital.

The fella supposedly had problems w/- the likker when he was here in Straya. Not good and I hope he takes immediate action.

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:47 am The coaching team at Stade have said the latest card is on them for picking him to begin with. Exactly how obvious it was his issues meant he doesn't belong on a rugby pitch I don't know, but he's got some work to do to earn another chance, work that could easily take him longer than his ban (whether the club or game one)

Was just about to mention this, the coach blamed himself for picking him which was magnanimous but must surely mean Latu is finished in the Northern Hemisphere. Back to Australia for him.

Kawazaki wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:18 am

Rhubarb & Custard wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:47 am The coaching team at Stade have said the latest card is on them for picking him to begin with. Exactly how obvious it was his issues meant he doesn't belong on a rugby pitch I don't know, but he's got some work to do to earn another chance, work that could easily take him longer than his ban (whether the club or game one)

Was just about to mention this, the coach blamed himself for picking him which was magnanimous but must surely mean Latu is finished in the Northern Hemisphere. Back to Australia for him.

Possibly it's magnanimous, but it could also be the coach feels personally betrayed and that would be worse for Latu.

Hopefully he's not finished anywhere, but for the game it's not about him it's about the other people he might maim

Did he have discipline problems before this season?

First thing is that Stade and to an extent the ARU have a duty of care to the the player. He has played for both this season. Discipline issues aside, if the alcohol issues are real and not overblown to help push him out, he needs help to beat his problems.

Get that under control and then help him on the field. If he is still a liability after that then deal with it.

A move back to Aus may still see him at the RWC.

Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:35 am Did he have discipline problems before this season?

Yes.

Convicted drink driving in 2019.

Kawazaki wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:46 am

Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:35 am Did he have discipline problems before this season?

Yes.

Convicted drink driving in 2019.

I mean on pitch. Wondering if he was always a drinker but it's deteriorated and affected his judgement / timing.

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:34 am Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

Not really. There isn't the same drink culture in France as in, say, Aus or NZ. Where there have been problems have usually been with foreign contingents e.g. Kelleher.

Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:14 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:46 am

Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:35 am Did he have discipline problems before this season?

Yes.

Convicted drink driving in 2019.

I mean on pitch. Wondering if he was always a drinker but it's deteriorated and affected his judgement / timing.

Hard to find the stats but it doesn't look like it.

JM2K6 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:56 pm

Biffer wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:14 pm

Kawazaki wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:46 am

Yes.

Convicted drink driving in 2019.

I mean on pitch. Wondering if he was always a drinker but it's deteriorated and affected his judgement / timing.

Hard to find the stats but it doesn't look like it.

Ta. Wonder if it has got out of hand this year and had an effect it wasn't previously having.

It's noticeable in the clip the way his team mates react. There's a touch of 'aww ffs not again' about some of the body language.

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:27 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:34 am Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

Not really. There isn't the same drink culture in France as in, say, Aus or NZ. Where there have been problems have usually been with foreign contingents e.g. Kelleher.

Always struck me that those of us from an Anglo drinking culture can very easily fall foul of French style drinking culture. A glass of wine at lunch into a bottle etc

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:00 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:27 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:34 am Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

Not really. There isn't the same drink culture in France as in, say, Aus or NZ. Where there have been problems have usually been with foreign contingents e.g. Kelleher.

Always struck me that those of us from an Anglo drinking culture can very easily fall foul of French style drinking culture. A glass of wine at lunch into a bottle etc

Well we know you're just a bunch of barbarians under a thin veneer of civilization (Normands)

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:27 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:34 am Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

Not really. There isn't the same drink culture in France as in, say, Aus or NZ. Where there have been problems have usually been with foreign contingents e.g. Kelleher.

Actually, as seems normal in this thread I got the wrong Paris team…

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:35 pm

Torquemada 1420 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 12:27 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:34 am Sounds like a bit of a booze issue at the club

Not really. There isn't the same drink culture in France as in, say, Aus or NZ. Where there have been problems have usually been with foreign contingents e.g. Kelleher.

Actually, as seems normal in this thread I got the wrong Paris team…

That is a Scott though