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No, but we will have Jack Nowell, Ben Youngs, Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola, i think that trumps you.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am Getting excuses in early... boks will be without Cheslin Kolbe, Andre Esterhuizen, Cobus Reinach, Jasper Wiese, Vincent Koch and Trevor Nyakane. Will England be missing any players?
ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:38 amNo, but we will have Jack Nowell, Ben Youngs, Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola, i think that trumps you.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am Getting excuses in early... boks will be without Cheslin Kolbe, Andre Esterhuizen, Cobus Reinach, Jasper Wiese, Vincent Koch and Trevor Nyakane. Will England be missing any players?
ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:38 amNo, but we will have Jack Nowell, Ben Youngs, Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola, i think that trumps you.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am Getting excuses in early... boks will be without Cheslin Kolbe, Andre Esterhuizen, Cobus Reinach, Jasper Wiese, Vincent Koch and Trevor Nyakane. Will England be missing any players?
It was ever thus. We often play like South Africa lite and it rarely stands up against the real thing.Torquemada 1420 wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:40 am SA will brutalise Eng who, I suspect, will try and do the same to SA with dire consequences.
Nowell and Vunipola were dreadful. Nowell was anonymous except when watching kick passes sail over his head and and Billy V was ineffective and gave away at least two dumb penalties.ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:38 amNo, but we will have Jack Nowell, Ben Youngs, Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola, i think that trumps you.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am Getting excuses in early... boks will be without Cheslin Kolbe, Andre Esterhuizen, Cobus Reinach, Jasper Wiese, Vincent Koch and Trevor Nyakane. Will England be missing any players?
I was astonished that Simmonds was the back rower who made way for Willis. There's no good reason it shouldn't have been Vunipola at that point.Hal Jordan wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:10 amNowell and Vunipola were dreadful. Nowell was anonymous except when watching kick passes sail over his head and and Billy V was ineffective and gave away at least two dumb penalties.ASMO wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:38 amNo, but we will have Jack Nowell, Ben Youngs, Owen Farrell and Billy Vunipola, i think that trumps you.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:28 am Getting excuses in early... boks will be without Cheslin Kolbe, Andre Esterhuizen, Cobus Reinach, Jasper Wiese, Vincent Koch and Trevor Nyakane. Will England be missing any players?
I doubt that Rassenaber start Libbok. Arrogant as they are, they will start with Willemse at 10, DDA at 12 and Kriel at 13 again, Manie on the bench.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
Reigning world champs, against whom England have traditionally struggled, coming to play the 5th ranked team in the world who've recently been beaten at home by Argentina. Boks are red hot favourites. Anything else is mockers bait.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
Great replacementsOomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:06 pm Out Cheslin Kolbe (Toulon), Andre Esterhuizen (Harlequins), Cobus Reinach (Montpellier), Jasper Wiese (Leicester Tigers), Vincent Koch (Stade Français) and Trevor Nyakane (Racing 92)
In Thomas Tank Marco van Staden, prop Ntuthuko Mchunu and scrumhalf Grant Williams.
No Boet. When last did we beat England @ Twickers?sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:20 pmReigning world champs, against whom England have traditionally struggled, coming to play the 5th ranked team in the world who've recently been beaten at home by Argentina. Boks are red hot favourites. Anything else is mockers bait.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
I also think along the same lines. England destroyed the All Blacks in the last 10 minutes. Our best players should be on the bench.boere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:11 pmI doubt that Rassenaber start Libbok. Arrogant as they are, they will start with Willemse at 10, DDA at 12 and Kriel at 13 again, Manie on the bench.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
Actually surprised me to find out that it was 2014, although there have only been 3 matches at Twickenham since then and the two most recent were decided by a single point. Both games the Boks were unlucky not to win, with 2018 having the infamous Farrell - Esterhuizen incident and 2021 being the day Pollard forgot his kicking boots.OomStruisbaai wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:02 amNo Boet. When last did we beat England @ Twickers?sockwithaticket wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:20 pmReigning world champs, against whom England have traditionally struggled, coming to play the 5th ranked team in the world who've recently been beaten at home by Argentina. Boks are red hot favourites. Anything else is mockers bait.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
Oh vok. If that happens we are toast. Back to 10 man rugby and up and undersboere wors wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:11 pmI doubt that Rassenaber start Libbok. Arrogant as they are, they will start with Willemse at 10, DDA at 12 and Kriel at 13 again, Manie on the bench.OomStruisbaai wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 7:15 pm England the big favorites on Saturday. The All Blacks gave them a lot of confidence.
Will be interesting to see which pattern both team play.
I'd like to see the Marcus vs Libbok show. Hope they can play attacking rugby.
Oh wow. What an awesome performance from the ref vs Italy. All of South Africa think he did a great job
JVP has been anything but awful until his last match. It's all very odd. Probably spent too much time being coached how to be Ben Youngs by cramping his backs, taking forever at the base, and then putting in mind bogglingly awful/stupid kicks. The intercept was too good a pass though, he still needs some time to learn the full extent of Ben Youngsery.assfly wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:44 am Boks should target the England 9. Whether it's Youngs or JVP, they're both awful.
He threw a pass off the first set move of the match that he'd practiced all week and was probably just hoping to land and get the side going. He didn't register the 7 coming into the channel and we're 7 points down. Then he gets on the wrong side of a 'ball out' call that was reffed very differently to what he's used to. Then you're a young lad, in your second start for your country against the most famous team in the world with all your friends and family there. Oh, and we're losing and losing badly. It's easy to see how one thing led to another without it really revealing much about his game.JM2K6 wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:04 pmJVP has been anything but awful until his last match. It's all very odd. Probably spent too much time being coached how to be Ben Youngs by cramping his backs, taking forever at the base, and then putting in mind bogglingly awful/stupid kicks. The intercept was too good a pass though, he still needs some time to learn the full extent of Ben Youngsery.assfly wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:44 am Boks should target the England 9. Whether it's Youngs or JVP, they're both awful.
Libbok to 10 en Willemse to 12?OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:32 am DDA injured and look like won't play. His grubbers don't work anyway.
They'll start with Goosen in 10LoveOfTheGame wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:11 amLibbok to 10 en Willemse to 12?OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:32 am DDA injured and look like won't play. His grubbers don't work anyway.
more than enough to beat England comfortably.Chilli wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:00 pm Springbok team to face England at Twickenham:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 82 caps, 65 pts (13t)
14 – Kurt-Lee Arendse (Vodacom Bulls) – 6 caps, 30 pts (6t)
13 – Jesse Kriel (Canon Eagles) – 58 caps, 60 pts (12t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Wild Knights) – 69 caps, 45 pts (9t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 35 caps, 110 pts (22t)
10 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 26 caps, 35 pts (3t, 4c, 4p)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Canon Eagles) – 45 caps, 30 pts (5t, 1c, 1p)
8 – Evan Roos (DHL Stormers) – 2 caps, 0 pts
7 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 62 caps, 15 pts (3t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain, Cell C Sharks) – 74 caps, 45 pts (9t)
5 – Marvin Orie (DHL Stormers) – 10 caps, 0 pts
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Cell C Sharks) – 109 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 57 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (Cell C Sharks) – 55 caps, 60 pts (12t)
1 – Ox Nche (Cell C Sharks) – 18 caps, 0 pts
Replacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 58 caps, 70 pts (14t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 70 caps, 10 pts (2t)
18 – Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks) – 14 caps, 0 pts
19 – Marco van Staden (Vodacom Bulls) – 9 caps, 0 pts
20 – Kwagga Smith (Shizuoka Blue Revs) – 30 caps, 20 pts (4t)
21 – Jaden Hendrikse (Cell C Sharks) – 11 caps, 12 pts (2t, 1c)
22 – Manie Libbok (DHL Stormers) – 2 cap, 10 pts (5c)
23 – Canan Moodie (Vodacom Bulls) – 3 caps, 5 pts (1t)
This pisses me off so much. I don't think one of them has ever amounted to anything, but he keeps trying over and over again.
The All Blacks thought they won it in the first half last week. A lot have been learned.Sards wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:50 pm Guaranteed we are going to have to try win it in the second half. Nothing learnt on this tour
Orrie was pretty good last week. You never liked him.