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Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:22 am**

Anyone else really struggling to get out of bed in the mornings?

I must be averaging about 9 hours a night atm. Taking a break from booze and have been on the bike 10 hours or so a week. So my sleep should be better.

But 9 hours a night and I still can't get out of bed . . .

Is my body in winter hibernation mode? Or am I just becoming a lazy shite?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:39 am**

Maybe you're getting too much sleep. If you cut back to a more normal 7 to 7.5 hours you might feel better

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:41 am**

I hate the dark mornings and really struggle to get out of bed, but I'm up with the lark in summer. I'd guess that was fairly common.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:44 am**

I wake up at four thirty every morning, it's engrained after decades of doing so.

I have to read to get back to sleep but then I feel wiped out at 7.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:58 am**

Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:22 am Anyone else really struggling to get out of bed in the mornings?

I must be averaging about 9 hours a night atm. Taking a break from booze and have been on the bike 10 hours or so a week. So my sleep should be better.

But 9 hours a night and I still can't get out of bed . . .

Is my body in winter hibernation mode? Or am I just becoming a lazy shite?

Sleep cycles matter. Are you waking up to an alarm? It might be that you're in the middle of a sleep cycle when it goes off. Natural light helps too, years ago I bought a natural light alarm that slowly becomes brighter before the alarm goes off and it helped a lot to make it easier to get out of bed.

Failing that, have you tried amphetamines?

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:47 am**

Laughs in 48 years of ADHD...

Amphetamines are the only thing that lets me get any sleep.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:18 pm**

9+ hours!!! LUXURY!

I've been monitoring my sleep via recently purchased Pixel watch (it does sleep tracking rather well).
My average night's sleep for the last 11 weeks is 7hrs 3 mins.
The last week (back to work) it's just over 6 hours a night, which is a bit low, not helped by the fucking cat waking me up ~4am almost every night.
Falling asleep is not an issue.
Usually feel fine if I get ~1 hours deep sleep per night.
Wake up before my alarm most days ~ 05:15 - 05:55
Usually in bed by 11pm at the latest.

Posted: **Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:57 pm**

The 9 hours is a new phenomenon. I normally operate on 6-7 a night.

I was travelling over Xmas/NY so initially thought my sleepiness was jetlag-related, but it still persists.

I'm not particularly upset over it, I feel a nice pleasant rested sensation rather than the usual caffeine-induced energy spikes throughout the day, although I'm still drinking my normal amount of coffee.

But curious as to if there is any science behind it? I'm normally a very early riser (4.30-5am most days) so I can get out fot a run/cycle before the kids get up.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 2:00 am**

Oxbow wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:41 am I hate the dark mornings and really struggle to get out of bed, but I'm up with the lark in summer. I'd guess that was fairly common.

Waking up with sweat pooled in your collarbones is not fun - I sleep much better when cold

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:21 am**

I'm also a 6-7ish hrs / night sleeper. I keep it regular, too, even on weekends. I tend to jump into bed around 11, out as soon as head hits pillow, up without an alarm 6-ish. I never do caffeine and almost never feel drowsy, either, unless it's been a very busy day (more common when I was teaching, never after switching careers to more chill jobs).

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 7:05 am**

Sleep hygiene is such an important factor.
No blue screen in the bed room and think about alcohol and seek help if you have issues like snoring etc

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 8:22 am**

More lemsip at bedtime…..

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:07 pm**

Sleep medicine really is an interesting sphere.
From CPAP to blue light and melatonin to light boxes, circadian rhythm and the neuroendocrinal/hormonal responses are fascinating.

Posted: **Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm**

I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:04 am**

Niegs wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:21 am I'm also a 6-7ish hrs / night sleeper. I keep it regular, too, even on weekends. I tend to jump into bed around 11, out as soon as head hits pillow, up without an alarm 6-ish. I never do caffeine and almost never feel drowsy, either, unless it's been a very busy day (more common when I was teaching, never after switching careers to more chill jobs).

I hate you!

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:05 am**

C69 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:07 pm Sleep medicine really is an interesting sphere.
From CPAP to blue light and melatonin to light boxes, circadian rhythm and the neuroendocrinal/hormonal responses are fascinating.

I've sleep clinic'd, use blue-light filters/glasses etc

I'm officially a lost case - WFH works well for me as the extra hour of sleep is a godsend as I tend not to sleep deep until 3.00am

I was always in deficit before

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:39 am**

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:04 am
Niegs wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 3:21 am I'm also a 6-7ish hrs / night sleeper. I keep it regular, too, even on weekends. I tend to jump into bed around 11, out as soon as head hits pillow, up without an alarm 6-ish. I never do caffeine and almost never feel drowsy, either, unless it's been a very busy day (more common when I was teaching, never after switching careers to more chill jobs).
I hate you!

I realize it sounds like a boast, but it could also be an indicator of things people might try? Regular to-bed/awake times seem to be a must, and I have also heard things about the detrimental effects of screens before bed as a problem. I will watch TV until bed, occasionally face in a device, but never in the dark. I've always thought this sort of thing wasn't good for our eyes... (or at least an old wives' tale?) ... but also maybe not our sleep pattern?

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:44 am**

My sleep pattern has been screwed since I was a kid - Larks and Owls are real for me. Definitely an Owl.

Interestingly, my two siblings work in Lark mode but are constantly exhausted - proving they aren't really Larks

My cousin also absolutely is an Owl

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:18 am**

Enzedder wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.

That's impressive, how have you done it?

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:41 am**

Slick wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:18 am
Enzedder wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.
That's impressive, how have you done it?

Wow - what's the secret?

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:03 pm**

dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:41 am
Slick wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:18 am
Enzedder wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.
That's impressive, how have you done it?
Wow - what's the secret?

Don't put on 38kg in the first place.

Seriously, great job Enz

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:10 pm**

mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:44 am My sleep pattern has been screwed since I was a kid - Larks and Owls are real for me. Definitely an Owl.

Interestingly, my two siblings work in Lark mode but are constantly exhausted - proving they aren't really Larks

My cousin also absolutely is an Owl

Also an owl. Left to my own devices I'll gravitate towards 02:00 - 09:00 as a sleep pattern. The earliest I've been able to consistently bring forward bed time is 00:30, but it invariably starts to slip later and later after a few weeks. Was fortunate to have a job that allowed me to start as late as 10:00 if I wanted and then went wfh during the pandemic. I've never been more well rested. Conversely I've never been more tired than when working 07:00 - 15:00 in retail. Never settled into a sleeping pattern that enabled much more than 5 hours sleep.

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:13 pm**

I usually have 5 hours a night, and wake up at about 2 am, in screaming back pain or from the horrific vivid PTSD nightmares.
Usually wake up and try to do physio therapy exercises, 3 am in the morning.
Last night I was dreaming I was on a covid ward struggling to breath .

It litterally felt like I was struggling for breath and on the verge of death.

I honestly didn't know it was a dream at the time. It didn't feel like one,

I was there 100%.

I was surprised to wake up out of it, and discover it was.

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:26 pm**

dpedin wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:41 am
Slick wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:18 am
Enzedder wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.
That's impressive, how have you done it?
Wow - what's the secret?

He is now an amputee

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:13 pm**

Slick wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:18 am
Enzedder wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:49 pm I have lost 38 kgs in the last 9 months and everything has improved as a result. Top of the list is sleep and an 8 hour zzz is the norm now.

Loving it.
That's impressive, how have you done it?

Had his legs amputated :(

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:53 pm**

Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:18 pm 9+ hours!!

, not helped by the fucking cat waking me up ~4am almost every night.

what do the cat do?

IL struggle to sleep. Even try to count sheep like Oom Enz in the middle of the night.

Posted: **Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:56 pm**

We have loads heading and every time it's cut or back I wake up. Specially when it's hot and the mosquitos attack when the fan stop.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:03 am**

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:10 pm
mat the expat wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:44 am My sleep pattern has been screwed since I was a kid - Larks and Owls are real for me. Definitely an Owl.

Interestingly, my two siblings work in Lark mode but are constantly exhausted - proving they aren't really Larks

My cousin also absolutely is an Owl
Also an owl. Left to my own devices I'll gravitate towards 02:00 - 09:00 as a sleep pattern. The earliest I've been able to consistently bring forward bed time is 00:30, but it invariably starts to slip later and later after a few weeks. Was fortunate to have a job that allowed me to start as late as 10:00 if I wanted and then went wfh during the pandemic. I've never been more well rested. Conversely I've never been more tired than when working 07:00 - 15:00 in retail. Never settled into a sleeping pattern that enabled much more than 5 hours sleep.

I had 9 months off in 2014 - took a redundancy. Cycled every day, drank loads but was never fitter

No alarms, it appears my natural body clock is 1.30/2.00am - 8.00 - 8.30am

Sadly, Larks generally become senior managers (I'm not saying there is incipient sociopathy there...) and used to set schedules.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:26 am**

OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:53 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:18 pm 9+ hours!!

, not helped by the fucking cat waking me up ~4am almost every night.
what do the cat do?

IL struggle to sleep. Even try to count sheep like Oom Enz in the middle of the night.

At around 4am most nights, she'll jump on the bed and demand attention. She'll climb and sit on me and start gently clawing my shoulder or chest until such time that I give her a head and back scratch. If you don't do it good or long enough she comes back 10 min later.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:02 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:26 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:53 pm
Insane_Homer wrote: Mon Jan 16, 2023 12:18 pm 9+ hours!!

, not helped by the fucking cat waking me up ~4am almost every night.
what do the cat do?

IL struggle to sleep. Even try to count sheep like Oom Enz in the middle of the night.
At around 4am most nights, she'll jump on the bed and demand attention. She'll climb and sit on me and start gently clawing my shoulder or chest until such time that I give her a head and back scratch. If you don't do it good or long enough she comes back 10 min later.

Our Sylvester did the same. We try to ignore him but when he strat pir our heart weaken. We went on holiday and the renters fixed it. Maybe gave him a klap.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:48 am**

Insane_Homer wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:26 am
At around 4am most nights, she'll jump on the bed and demand attention. She'll climb and sit on me and start gently clawing my shoulder or chest until such time that I give her a head and back scratch. If you don't do it good or long enough she comes back 10 min later.

Mine starts around 2am. I just get up and feed her - she sleeps until morning after that.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:51 am**

If you really ignore her she turns around and presents her nought to your face

It's a new phase started just before x-mas, feeding creates another problem and forms a habit that's harder to break. Hopefully, it'll change soon.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:01 am**

I used to have a cat that liked to go out at night, but inevitably at some point in the early hours she would climb up some out buildings and tap on the bedroom window until you let her in. She would then settle down on the bed and go straight to sleep while we were both lying there awake.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:53 pm**

Have a look at this guys it's the gold standard validated sleepiness scale used by Sleep Clinics etc

https://nasemso.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... pscale.pdf

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:25 pm**

I average just under 6.5 hours. 6.75 counts as a good week.

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:01 pm**

Lady P wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:25 pm I average just under 6.5 hours. 6.75 counts as a good week.
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It gets better as the little ones get older. My daughter 15 did not sleep past 6 untill she was 10.
My wife now gets up every morning at 6.30 to exercise.
I am not impressed

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:08 pm**

C69 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:01 pm
Lady P wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:25 pm I average just under 6.5 hours. 6.75 counts as a good week.
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It gets better as the little ones get older. My daughter 15 did not sleep past 6 untill she was 10.
My wife now gets up every morning at 6.30 to exercise.
I am not impressed
5.18am today

Posted: **Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:14 pm**

Lady P wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:08 pm
C69 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:01 pm
Lady P wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 8:25 pm I average just under 6.5 hours. 6.75 counts as a good week.
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It gets better as the little ones get older. My daughter 15 did not sleep past 6 untill she was 10.
My wife now gets up every morning at 6.30 to exercise.
I am not impressed
5.18am today
6 am for me

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:46 am**

5.13

Posted: **Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:44 pm**

Lady P wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:46 am 5.13

I will be four years retired in June yet I still wake up at silly o'clock. After strugggling to get to sleep or stay asleep. It is most annoying.

But I cannot say I am not used to it...

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