NPR

Line6 HXFX wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:45 am Say your team is probably going to meet some other team (from next door) in the later stages. Their supporters are all watching your pool games, with an interest not even reserved for their boring inept f'king team..basically in the hope of contriving a massive shit show and outrage on social media and tv, about refering decisions during your matches, and everytime you win, in the hope that your team (having been let off or seen as lucky etc) will be massively over reffed when these two teams meet.

Is this some sort of tactic amongst supporters, to just create shit?

A way of the media and opposition supporters to hugely influence the ref down the line?

Otherwise why give a shit?

Sandstorm wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:46 am

Line6 HXFX wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:45 am Say your team is probably going to meet some other team (from next door) in the later stages. Their supporters are all watching your pool games, with an interest not even reserved for their boring inept f'king team..basically in the hope of contriving a massive shit show and outrage on social media and tv, about refering decisions during your matches, and everytime you win, in the hope that your team (having been let off or seen as lucky etc) will be massively over reffed when these two teams meet.

Is this some sort of tactic amongst supporters, to just create shit?

A way of the media and opposition supporters to hugely influence the ref down the line?

Otherwise why give a shit?

ER bait….

Niegs wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:30 pm I think it has in general for years. Fans complain about refs 'ruining' matches, despite players openly talking about playing on the edge of the laws, pushing the threshold to where all kinds of shenanigans go unpunished because refs are under pressure to let things flow. We'll jump on them first before calling a player an idiot for giving away dumb penalties/getting carded (unless it's a serial offending England player, of course).

Niegs wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 3:30 pm I think it has in general for years. Fans complain about refs 'ruining' matches, despite players openly talking about playing on the edge of the laws, pushing the threshold to where all kinds of shenanigans go unpunished because refs are under pressure to let things flow. We'll jump on them first before calling a player an idiot for giving away dumb penalties/getting carded (unless it's a serial offending England player, of course).

dpedin wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:05 am In every game so far I have seen refs miss obvious penalties and cried foul, however every game so far has been reffed very well and overall I think the standard of referee has been excellent. Its a tough job, probably the hardest on the pitch and the refs are probably doing more running than any player with no chance of being subbed if they get tired, whilst wired up with christ knows what technology tied to your back, listening to someone in their ear phone all the time, having 30 grown men complaining and swearing on the pitch all at once, a partisan crowd making huge noises and knowing full well every decision they make will be scrutinised in slow motion from 10 different angles by dozens of past it players from a different era and every rugby supporter in the world! Never ever complain about a ref unless you are willing to do it yourself! I tried many years and it is feckin difficult.

Niegs wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:21 am

dpedin wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:05 am In every game so far I have seen refs miss obvious penalties and cried foul, however every game so far has been reffed very well and overall I think the standard of referee has been excellent. Its a tough job, probably the hardest on the pitch and the refs are probably doing more running than any player with no chance of being subbed if they get tired, whilst wired up with christ knows what technology tied to your back, listening to someone in their ear phone all the time, having 30 grown men complaining and swearing on the pitch all at once, a partisan crowd making huge noises and knowing full well every decision they make will be scrutinised in slow motion from 10 different angles by dozens of past it players from a different era and every rugby supporter in the world! Never ever complain about a ref unless you are willing to do it yourself! I tried many years and it is feckin difficult.

I find it pretty easy, but it’s mostly teens who don’t know all the ways to cheat, with just a few spectators, and I’m blissfully aware of most of my cockups … so you do have a point.

… but why not go NFL style and have a small team? Two on-field refs in the pockets behind the breakdown and ARs able to call in things and not just make recommendations.

Gumboot wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:01 am I'm with Niegs, the NFL has a lot going for it, not least the accuracy and speed of the officiating. If more onfield officials improves the game and largely takes ever more intrusive TMOs out of it, then count me in.

Kiwias wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:06 am

Gumboot wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:01 am I'm with Niegs, the NFL has a lot going for it, not least the accuracy and speed of the officiating. If more onfield officials improves the game and largely takes ever more intrusive TMOs out of it, then count me in.

Please count me in too.

Slick wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:47 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:06 am

Gumboot wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:01 am I'm with Niegs, the NFL has a lot going for it, not least the accuracy and speed of the officiating. If more onfield officials improves the game and largely takes ever more intrusive TMOs out of it, then count me in.

Please count me in too.

My issue with it is that it takes away the whole rugby thing of "ref is the sole judge etc". I find it quite sad we are going down this route but I suppose that's quite twee now.

Gumboot wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:57 am

Slick wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:47 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:06 am

Please count me in too.

My issue with it is that it takes away the whole rugby thing of "ref is the sole judge etc". I find it quite sad we are going down this route but I suppose that's quite twee now.

And I thought I was old.

sockwithaticket wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:18 am We've been moving closer and closer to that anyway. We've gone from touch judges to assistant referees and referring to a team of officials.

With the pace of the modern game and a desire to actually get things right, it's clear that one person simply can't keep track of everything.

Line6 HXFX wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:45 am Say your team is probably going to meet some other team (from next door) in the later stages. Their supporters are all watching your pool games, with an interest not even reserved for their boring inept f'king team..basically in the hope of contriving a massive shit show and outrage on social media and tv, about refereeing decisions during your matches, and everytime you win, in the hope that your team (having been let off or seen as lucky etc) will be massively over reffed when these two teams meet.

Is this some sort of tactic amongst supporters?

A way of the media and opposition supporters to hugely influence the ref down the line and create narratives that suit their team, and give them an advantage?

Otherwise why give a shit?

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:30 pm

Line6 HXFX wrote: Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:45 am Say your team is probably going to meet some other team (from next door) in the later stages. Their supporters are all watching your pool games, with an interest not even reserved for their boring inept f'king team..basically in the hope of contriving a massive shit show and outrage on social media and tv, about refereeing decisions during your matches, and everytime you win, in the hope that your team (having been let off or seen as lucky etc) will be massively over reffed when these two teams meet.

Is this some sort of tactic amongst supporters?

A way of the media and opposition supporters to hugely influence the ref down the line and create narratives that suit their team, and give them an advantage?

Otherwise why give a shit?

Who'd have thunk you'd be the one with the persecution complex

Slick wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:47 am

Kiwias wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:06 am

Gumboot wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:01 am I'm with Niegs, the NFL has a lot going for it, not least the accuracy and speed of the officiating. If more onfield officials improves the game and largely takes ever more intrusive TMOs out of it, then count me in.

Please count me in too.

My issue with it is that it takes away the whole rugby thing of "ref is the sole judge etc". I find it quite sad we are going down this route but I suppose that's quite twee now.