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Well, that was professionally done.

When does the Supe start??

Cheers mate

Cheers. Great to have it, especially after our world cup win last year.

Incidentally, it's never been won back to back in the six nations and I don't think this year will be any different.

Nailed on for the GS. Ireland are so expertly coached, they are very formulaic and people just slot in when needed.
They epitomise Gestalt theory.

Ymx wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:55 pm Well, that was professionally done.

When does the Supe start??

The 6 Nations need the Springboks.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:18 pm

Ymx wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:55 pm Well, that was professionally done.

When does the Supe start??

The 6 Nations need the Springboks.

I’ve never thought about that before.

That’s a great idea.

You probably need to ditch a couple too. Perhaps Wales and Scotland??

Ymx wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:53 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:18 pm

Ymx wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:55 pm Well, that was professionally done.

When does the Supe start??

The 6 Nations need the Springboks.

I’ve never thought about that before.

That’s a great idea.

You probably need to ditch a couple too. Perhaps Wales and Scotland??

not Wales, they give the TV monies, Scotland use our extra players.

On a more serious note, France look lost without du Pont. Ireland next level It's going to be a massive June series against them.

It’s good to have some rugby back on. It’s been a while !

Especially for these teams. We haven’t seen them play since the WC quarter finals.

Suffocating in defence, clinical in the oppo's 22, solid set piece and rarely lose the collisions - hard to see any of the other sides coping with them unless they become victims of an unfortunate red - and their discipline is normally excellent as well - so more likely to happen to their oppo than them !

Ovals wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:14 pm Suffocating in defence, clinical in the oppo's 22, solid set piece and rarely lose the collisions - hard to see any of the other sides coping with them unless they become victims of an unfortunate red - and their discipline is normally excellent as well - so more likely to happen to their oppo than them !

That's one of the benefits of keeping the ball & not just kicking it aimlessly away.

The onus is on the defender to not fuck up their tackle heights, & the more tackles they make, the more perilous the situation gets that you'll cop a card. Get inside the oppos 22, & the percentages get even worse !

Uncle fester wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:55 pm Incidentally, it's never been won back to back in the six nations and I don't think this year will be any different.

Rests on Twickenham, and England don't scare me.

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:19 pm

Ovals wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:14 pm Suffocating in defence, clinical in the oppo's 22, solid set piece and rarely lose the collisions - hard to see any of the other sides coping with them unless they become victims of an unfortunate red - and their discipline is normally excellent as well - so more likely to happen to their oppo than them !

That's one of the benefits of keeping the ball & not just kicking it aimlessly away.

The onus is on the defender to not fuck up their tackle heights, & the more tackles they make, the more perilous the situation gets that you'll cop a card. Get inside the oppos 22, & the percentages get even worse !

Except that a lot of cards come from attackers clearing out at rucks !!

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:19 pm

Ovals wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:14 pm Suffocating in defence, clinical in the oppo's 22, solid set piece and rarely lose the collisions - hard to see any of the other sides coping with them unless they become victims of an unfortunate red - and their discipline is normally excellent as well - so more likely to happen to their oppo than them !

That's one of the benefits of keeping the ball & not just kicking it aimlessly away.

The onus is on the defender to not fuck up their tackle heights, & the more tackles they make, the more perilous the situation gets that you'll cop a card. Get inside the oppos 22, & the percentages get even worse !

Ireland kick the shit out of it, bro. 33 kicks to France's 20 on Friday. JGP's relentless kicking accuracy allied to the catching prowess of the back three and Lowe's siege gun boot are a big part of their success. Absolutely no link between the kicking game and red cards.

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:14 am

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:19 pm

Ovals wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:14 pm Suffocating in defence, clinical in the oppo's 22, solid set piece and rarely lose the collisions - hard to see any of the other sides coping with them unless they become victims of an unfortunate red - and their discipline is normally excellent as well - so more likely to happen to their oppo than them !

That's one of the benefits of keeping the ball & not just kicking it aimlessly away.

The onus is on the defender to not fuck up their tackle heights, & the more tackles they make, the more perilous the situation gets that you'll cop a card. Get inside the oppos 22, & the percentages get even worse !

Ireland kick the shit out of it, bro. 33 kicks to France's 20 on Friday. JGP's relentless kicking accuracy allied to the catching prowess of the back three and Lowe's siege gun boot are a big part of their success. Absolutely no link between the kicking game and red cards.

Key word is "aimlessly". When it's on in the opposition half, ball is kept in hand.

Uncle fester wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:32 am

JM2K6 wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:14 am

fishfoodie wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:19 pm

That's one of the benefits of keeping the ball & not just kicking it aimlessly away.

The onus is on the defender to not fuck up their tackle heights, & the more tackles they make, the more perilous the situation gets that you'll cop a card. Get inside the oppos 22, & the percentages get even worse !

Ireland kick the shit out of it, bro. 33 kicks to France's 20 on Friday. JGP's relentless kicking accuracy allied to the catching prowess of the back three and Lowe's siege gun boot are a big part of their success. Absolutely no link between the kicking game and red cards.

Key word is "aimlessly". When it's on in the opposition half, ball is kept in hand.

The claim is that keeping ball in hand is what prevents the cards. Ireland kick the hell out of it. Aimless kick or accurate kick isn't going to be the deciding factor on whether it leads to more cards.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:32 pm On a more serious note, France look lost without du Pont. Ireland next level It's going to be a massive June series against them.

I am bloody nervous about the tour. Ireland look very good and they have our number. Our last win against them was when they toured here in 2016!

We are going to have to be at the top of our game, or Ireland are going to make history on another SH tour.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:32 pm On a more serious note, France look lost without du Pont. Ireland next level It's going to be a massive June series against them.

Part of the problem with having a player as good as Dupont is that the team can come to rely on him being brilliant rather than their structures and systems. He also rarely gets substituted, so his back ups have very little experience playing in tests. It takes a special player to overcome that and Lucu isn't that. France looked much better when Lucu went off and Le Garrec came on.

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:32 pm On a more serious note, France look lost without du Pont. Ireland next level It's going to be a massive June series against them.

Part of the problem with having a player as good as Dupont is that the team can come to rely on him being brilliant rather than their structures and systems. He also rarely gets substituted, so his back ups have very little experience playing in tests. It takes a special player to overcome that and Lucu isn't that. France looked much better when Lucu went off and Le Garrec came on.

I don't think Lucu is as bad as he seemed to be on Friday, however, what you say is true.

There is rarely a 6N without a couple of twists and turns so not giving it to Ireland yet.

Slick wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 10:56 am

sockwithaticket wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:20 pm

OomStruisbaai wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:32 pm On a more serious note, France look lost without du Pont. Ireland next level It's going to be a massive June series against them.

Part of the problem with having a player as good as Dupont is that the team can come to rely on him being brilliant rather than their structures and systems. He also rarely gets substituted, so his back ups have very little experience playing in tests. It takes a special player to overcome that and Lucu isn't that. France looked much better when Lucu went off and Le Garrec came on.

I don't think Lucu is as bad as he seemed to be on Friday, however, what you say is true.

There is rarely a 6N without a couple of twists and turns so not giving it to Ireland yet.

It's downright ludicrous that this is even a conversation after the first week. Favourites for the title sure, I'll take that, but being favourite is no sure thing. Grand Slam talk is fucking nuts until the final weekend.

I also wish I could say that no Irish are talking like this, but unfortunately all this crazy talk is quite common with the media at the moment. Pride comes before a fall and all that!

France is up and down (be aware Scotland) but as a neutral the Irish look a class above the rest. They got a special structure, even the u20s beating France at home.

Etsebeth

God, sadly the above is not going to be risked.

Italy dogshit
Wales dogshit
England only just beat Italy and Wales, also dogshit.
France already played Ireland

Scotland??

Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:33 pm God, sadly the above is not going to be risked.

Italy dogshit
Wales dogshit
England only just beat Italy and Wales, also dogshit.
France already played Ireland

Scotland??

Scotland are not beating Ireland in Dublin. Slam is done.

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm

Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:33 pm God, sadly the above is not going to be risked.

Italy dogshit
Wales dogshit
England only just beat Italy and Wales, also dogshit.
France already played Ireland

Scotland??

Scotland are not beating Ireland in Dublin. Slam is done.

I dunno, I think England might pull out a one off game and beat them at Twickenham

But, no, we are not winning in Dublin.

Ireland to put 30+ against all the teams. To classy for the rest.

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:26 am

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm

Ymx wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:33 pm God, sadly the above is not going to be risked.

Italy dogshit
Wales dogshit
England only just beat Italy and Wales, also dogshit.
France already played Ireland

Scotland??

Scotland are not beating Ireland in Dublin. Slam is done.

I dunno, I think England might pull out a one off game and beat them at Twickenham

But, no, we are not winning in Dublin.

This.

Although all it takes is an Irish forward doing something idiotic early in a game a la POM in Cardiff in 2021 and all bets are off.

Good test to see if they can avoid shitting the bed.

Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:57 am

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:26 am

S/Lt_Phillips wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm

Scotland are not beating Ireland in Dublin. Slam is done.

I dunno, I think England might pull out a one off game and beat them at Twickenham

But, no, we are not winning in Dublin.

This.

Although all it takes is an Irish forward doing something idiotic early in a game a la POM in Cardiff in 2021 and all bets are off.

Good test to see if they can avoid shitting the bed.

Could easily have a 2012 scenario.
A few crucial injuries.
Porter gets crucified in the scrums.
England do their best belligerent refusal to lose.

Six nations are not won in Feb and there's a reason why nobody has done back to back slams.

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:34 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:57 am

Slick wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:26 am

I dunno, I think England might pull out a one off game and beat them at Twickenham

But, no, we are not winning in Dublin.

This.

Although all it takes is an Irish forward doing something idiotic early in a game a la POM in Cardiff in 2021 and all bets are off.

Good test to see if they can avoid shitting the bed.

Could easily have a 2012 scenario.
A few crucial injuries.
Porter gets crucified in the scrums.
England do their best belligerent refusal to lose.

Six nations are not won in Feb and there's a reason why nobody has done back to back slams.

Yup. It does very much feel like Ireland will walk this but just about every year throws up a surprise.

Slick wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 am

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:34 pm

Jim Lahey wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:57 am

This.

Although all it takes is an Irish forward doing something idiotic early in a game a la POM in Cardiff in 2021 and all bets are off.

Good test to see if they can avoid shitting the bed.

Could easily have a 2012 scenario.
A few crucial injuries.
Porter gets crucified in the scrums.
England do their best belligerent refusal to lose.

Six nations are not won in Feb and there's a reason why nobody has done back to back slams.

Yup. It does very much feel like Ireland will walk this but just about every year throws up a surprise.

Also Crowley gets kicking yips.
So no points from the boot, England refuse to cede the white line and the feral home support create a hostile intimidating atmosphere, then panic sets in.

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:03 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 am

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:34 pm

Could easily have a 2012 scenario.
A few crucial injuries.
Porter gets crucified in the scrums.
England do their best belligerent refusal to lose.

Six nations are not won in Feb and there's a reason why nobody has done back to back slams.

Yup. It does very much feel like Ireland will walk this but just about every year throws up a surprise.

Also Crowley gets kicking yips.
So no points from the boot, England refuse to cede the white line and the feral home support create a hostile intimidating atmosphere, then panic sets in.

The mockers won't be happy with that.
Nailed on for the GS, you guys won't choke in the 6N. It's not the RWC FFS.

Reverse mockers doesn't work but I do enjoy your seething.

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:03 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 am

Uncle fester wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:34 pm

Could easily have a 2012 scenario.
A few crucial injuries.
Porter gets crucified in the scrums.
England do their best belligerent refusal to lose.

Six nations are not won in Feb and there's a reason why nobody has done back to back slams.

Yup. It does very much feel like Ireland will walk this but just about every year throws up a surprise.

Also Crowley gets kicking yips.
So no points from the boot, England refuse to cede the white line and the feral home support create a hostile intimidating atmosphere, then panic sets in.

What! At Twickenham?

The Irish hate being favourites.

They should be putting at least a 15 point victory past this England team.

SaintK wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:44 am

Uncle fester wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:03 pm

Slick wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:26 am

Yup. It does very much feel like Ireland will walk this but just about every year throws up a surprise.

Also Crowley gets kicking yips.
So no points from the boot, England refuse to cede the white line and the feral home support create a hostile intimidating atmosphere, then panic sets in.

What! At Twickenham?

Was wondering if anybody would pick up on that.
Other points are serious though.

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:36 am The Irish hate being favourites.

They should be putting at least a 15 point victory past this England team.

Small reminder that we play Wales next and without Keenan, we may as well be playing with 14.

Uncle fester wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:25 pm

sockwithaticket wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:36 am The Irish hate being favourites.

They should be putting at least a 15 point victory past this England team.

Small reminder that we play Wales next and without Keenan, we may as well be playing with 14.

You really won't need him to play this Wales team.

It really was such an unfortunate schedule this year.