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WP / Stormers BACK TO THE FUTURE!

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:54 am
by Chilli
Fukken poaching cvnts!

https://www.news24.com/sport/rugby/wp-s ... r-20200727
Western Province have reportedly signed a three-year deal with promising young hooker Andre-Hugo Venter, who is the son of former Springbok flank Andre Venter.


Afrikaans newspaper Rapport indicated on Sunday that WP Rugby secured the services of the 19-year-old after the union recently lost three of their hookers.

Schalk Erasmus has joined the Bulls, while Dan Jooste signed for the Sharks. WP also lost Ramone Samuels, who recently underwent medical tests at the Bulls. He is hampered by an ankle injury and the Bulls are paying for the rehabilitation programme he currently follows in Stellenbosch.


Venter is an accounting student at Stellenbosch University. He represented the SA Schools team in 2019 and played first team rugby for the unbeaten Grey College team in 2018 and 2019.

His dad Andre, 49, played 66 Tests for the Springboks between 1996 and 2001 and was a member of the team that finished third at the 1999 Rugby World Cup in the United Kingdom.

Venter Snr has been in a wheelchair in recent years after being struck down by a degenerative syndrome of the central nervous system called transverse myelitis. He is a successful businessman and also a motivational speaker.

When probed by Sport24 regarding details of the young Venter's contract, WP Rugby said more details will be provided once an official announcement is made.

- Compiled by Sport24 staff
With all those "systems" in place you would think that they could develop their own talent.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:59 am
by Sards
listen...WP is the home of Nepotism....

Jean LDP....son of legendary Carel
Kobus Wiese

are you surprised...........

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am
by Sandstorm
He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:19 am
by Amethyst
A double bonus as Ramone has moved to the Bulls too. :thumbup:

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:11 am
by Chilli
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
In a word, yes.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:21 am
by Amethyst
Chilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:11 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
In a word, yes.
Can one play for Free State if you are registered with a club in Western Province. Did this change?

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:26 am
by OomStruisbaai
Amethyst wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:21 am
Chilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:11 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
In a word, yes.
Can one play for Free State if you are registered with a club in Western Province. Did this change?
The Kovsies dont want to play for the Cheetahs, how can you expect the Maties to play for them?

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:30 am
by Chilli
Amethyst wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:19 am A double bonus as Ramone has moved to the Bulls too. :thumbup:
Really BL?

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:35 am
by Amethyst
A player may not be registered with more than one club so if you are registered in a specific province, you can't play for another province. So the answer is no, he can't play for Free State whilst registered with a WP club.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:39 am
by Amethyst
Chilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:30 am
Amethyst wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:19 am A double bonus as Ramone has moved to the Bulls too. :thumbup:
Really BL?
Geezuz, how many times have I have to tell you I'm not this BL (or whatever) character who seems to be haunting you. :clap:

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:41 am
by OomStruisbaai
Natalian American want to invest in Western Province.
S24
American eager to gain control of Stormers, offers R100m investment

Marco V Masotti, a senior partner at the law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, told Netwerk24 that he had contacted the union on 8 July and requested a 45-day period in which he is exclusively spoken to by the union.

The report in the Afrikaans publication adds that, together with partners, Masotti wants to invest about $6 million (around R100 million) - $4 million in the Stormers and $2 million in the union (WP).


However, he has made it clear he wants control of the board.

"The one important prerequisite, as is the case with any sports team, is that I want control," Masotti told Netwerk24.

"You have to run it like a business and make decisions that are in the best interests of the team, the players and the surrounding community."

Masotti, who was born in South Africa, added that WP came back with a proposal of an equal number of directors.

"They said that according to their constitution, an investor may not own 51%. It must be 49%. I said, 'No, I want control'."

Masotti grew up in Amanzimtoti and after obtaining a degree at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, he left for the United States in 1992 to continue his law studies.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
by Sards
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
by Chilli
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:41 am Natalian American want to invest in Western Province.
S24
American eager to gain control of Stormers, offers R100m investment

Marco V Masotti, a senior partner at the law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, told Netwerk24 that he had contacted the union on 8 July and requested a 45-day period in which he is exclusively spoken to by the union.

The report in the Afrikaans publication adds that, together with partners, Masotti wants to invest about $6 million (around R100 million) - $4 million in the Stormers and $2 million in the union (WP).


However, he has made it clear he wants control of the board.

"The one important prerequisite, as is the case with any sports team, is that I want control," Masotti told Netwerk24.

"You have to run it like a business and make decisions that are in the best interests of the team, the players and the surrounding community."

Masotti, who was born in South Africa, added that WP came back with a proposal of an equal number of directors.

"They said that according to their constitution, an investor may not own 51%. It must be 49%. I said, 'No, I want control'."

Masotti grew up in Amanzimtoti and after obtaining a degree at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, he left for the United States in 1992 to continue his law studies.
There is a WP / Stomps thread

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:46 am
by Amethyst
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:41 am Natalian American want to invest in Western Province.
S24
American eager to gain control of Stormers, offers R100m investment

Marco V Masotti, a senior partner at the law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, told Netwerk24 that he had contacted the union on 8 July and requested a 45-day period in which he is exclusively spoken to by the union.

The report in the Afrikaans publication adds that, together with partners, Masotti wants to invest about $6 million (around R100 million) - $4 million in the Stormers and $2 million in the union (WP).


However, he has made it clear he wants control of the board.

"The one important prerequisite, as is the case with any sports team, is that I want control," Masotti told Netwerk24.

"You have to run it like a business and make decisions that are in the best interests of the team, the players and the surrounding community."

Masotti, who was born in South Africa, added that WP came back with a proposal of an equal number of directors.

"They said that according to their constitution, an investor may not own 51%. It must be 49%. I said, 'No, I want control'."

Masotti grew up in Amanzimtoti and after obtaining a degree at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, he left for the United States in 1992 to continue his law studies.
Good luck with getting control of the Board. This is where the problem lies.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:54 am
by OomStruisbaai
Chilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:41 am Natalian American want to invest in Western Province.
S24
American eager to gain control of Stormers, offers R100m investment

Marco V Masotti, a senior partner at the law firm Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP, told Netwerk24 that he had contacted the union on 8 July and requested a 45-day period in which he is exclusively spoken to by the union.

The report in the Afrikaans publication adds that, together with partners, Masotti wants to invest about $6 million (around R100 million) - $4 million in the Stormers and $2 million in the union (WP).


However, he has made it clear he wants control of the board.

"The one important prerequisite, as is the case with any sports team, is that I want control," Masotti told Netwerk24.

"You have to run it like a business and make decisions that are in the best interests of the team, the players and the surrounding community."

Masotti, who was born in South Africa, added that WP came back with a proposal of an equal number of directors.

"They said that according to their constitution, an investor may not own 51%. It must be 49%. I said, 'No, I want control'."

Masotti grew up in Amanzimtoti and after obtaining a degree at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, he left for the United States in 1992 to continue his law studies.
There is a WP / Stomps thread
You create this one and thanks for it.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:59 am
by Sandstorm
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
Henry Honibal the University student?

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:06 am
by Chilli
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:59 am
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
Henry Honibal the University student?
Another poach by the fukken Sharks.

[he farmed in Bergville and traveled to Deben for practice and play]

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:09 am
by OomStruisbaai
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:59 am
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
Henry Honibal the University student?
He'll have to check his Sards stats now.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:09 am
by Sards
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:59 am
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
Henry Honibal the University student?
Wp supporters really look at the wrong issues. We are talking about heart and dedication...

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:15 am
by OomStruisbaai
Chilli wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:06 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:59 am
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am

Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
Henry Honibal the University student?
Another poach by the fukken Sharks.

[he farmed in Bergville and traveled to Deben for practice and play]
He would have been dedicated if he travel from Bergville to Bloemfontein. The Sharks obvious paid him double compare to Free State. Did it for the money, no heart and dedication. Vokkol

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:18 am
by handyman
Thanks for the fred, Chilli.

As usual tho, a lot of hate for SA's biggest union, with the most history, tradition and pedigree.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:25 am
by Sandstorm
OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:15 am
He would have been dedicated if he travel from Bergville to Bloemfontein. The Sharks obvious paid him double compare to Free State. Did it for the money, no heart and dedication. Vokkol
Ja

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:17 pm
by Sards

"If you are going to be a champion, you must be willing to pay a greater price"
How we win the game shows something about our character; how we lose it shows all of it
Just saying.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:10 pm
by ‘tsek
:eek:
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
:eek: Honiball played for Al Ahly!!!

Oh, and ‘tsek noob.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:10 pm
by Sards
‘tsek wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:10 pm :eek:
Sards wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:43 am
Sandstorm wrote: Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:10 am He’s studying in Stellenbosch. You expect him to play Rugby in Bloem on Saturday??
Henry Honibal used to travel to play rugby...He never had a cry about it....Playing for the most adored club in Africa was reward enough.
:eek: Honiball played for Al Ahly!!!

Oh, and ‘tsek noob.
Al Ahly...thats Alexandria isn't it

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:01 am
by OomStruisbaai
S24
Stormers coach John Dobson predicts SA rugby restart in mid-September


In what he described as a "gut feel", Dobson said that an eight-team domestic tournament would then take place until after Christmas.

Given the current climate of the national lockdown and the fight against the coronavirus, SA Rugby has not yet been in a position to confirm a date for return to play despite all professional teams now being back at training.


An eight-team Currie Cup is the likeliest option.

"My gut feel, and this is purely a gut feel, is that if we were looking at the end of August that would be pushed back a couple of weeks now," Dobson said in a video press conference on Thursday.

"So, if it's mid-September and we're going to go a double round with eight teams, we'll still be playing on Boxing Day ... that's what it looks like."

One of the potential stumbling blocks to that tournament for the local sides, and particularly the Stormers, is a possible Rugby Championship in New Zealand over November and December.

Already on the back foot in terms of match fitness given that New Zealand and Australia are currently playing domestic rugby, the Springboks would then need to take an extended squad of potentially over 45 players to the Rugby Championship.

"If we do go to the Rugby Championship and some of that is outside the Test window, then the number of guys coming from this union will probably be in the high teens," Dobson said.

"We can't call up a club rugby bloke who hasn't played at all this year.

"We are blessed with depth with our under-20s and our under-21s, but it's a terrible balancing act because you could have this fantastic Currie Cup that just gets stripped out, but we need the income from the internationals.

"It'll be great to blood young guys, but what that product looks like in South Africa, I don't know."

Dobson added that the uncertainty surrounding the dates of the South African resumption and how that would take place provided a mental challenge to the players that he and his coaching staff needed to manage.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 am
by Sandstorm
Dobson does a lot of guessing, estimating and predicting. Not many FACTS.

I look forward to his team selection estimates.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:49 am
by Sards
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 am Dobson does a lot of guessing, estimating and predicting. Not many FACTS.

I look forward to his team selection estimates.

He reckons that the Stormers will miss testing themselves against Kiwi opposition if we go North.

Is this guy for real

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:50 am
by assfly
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 am Dobson does a lot of guessing, estimating and predicting. Not many FACTS.

I look forward to his team selection estimates.
If he uses his gut feel, then at least we know Malherbe will start.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:53 am
by Sandstorm
assfly wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:50 am
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 am Dobson does a lot of guessing, estimating and predicting. Not many FACTS.

I look forward to his team selection estimates.
If he uses his gut feel, then at least we know Malherbe will start.
:thumbup:

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm
by Amethyst
As the rest of SA will take years to recover from miss Corona, I think Western Cape should push for independent Republic. El Capo to represent us internationally.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:19 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm As the rest of SA will take years to recover from miss Corona, I think Western Cape should push for independent Republic. El Capo to represent us internationally.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Will be great if the Guppie chicken runners in our Republic can vokkof back to KZN where they belong.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:26 pm
by Amethyst
WP, die bakermat van SA Rugby.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:35 pm
by OomStruisbaai
Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:26 pm WP, die bakermat van SA Rugby.
Western Cape, the leading republic in Africa :mrgreen:

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:00 pm
by OomStruisbaai

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:39 am
by Chilli
Sandstorm wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:44 am Dobson does a lot of guessing, estimating and predicting. Not many FACTS.

I look forward to his team selection estimates.
He doesn't sound like the most positive person in town.
His team talks must be fun.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:07 am
by Chilli
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:19 pm
Amethyst wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm As the rest of SA will take years to recover from miss Corona, I think Western Cape should push for independent Republic. El Capo to represent us internationally.
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Will be great if the Guppie chicken runners in our Republic can vokkof back to KZN where they belong.
So the descendants of the Boers who chose not to trek, those whose forefathers were happy to stay in the Cape under British rule, those whose ancestors went down on bent knee under the Union Jack now want their own colony again?

I would rather associate with those, who like my forefathers, left the Cape Colony and British rule to be their own people, those who established the Republics of the Orange Freestate, The Transvaal, Natal, those who settled in the Eastern and Northern Cape and and did not chose to pay taxes to London.

The Cape Colony types and the rest should hang their heads is shame.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:23 am
by Chilli
CAPE TOWN – Western Province Rugby Union president Zelt Marais has hit out at reports suggesting that an American consortium was close to purchasing a controling stake in the Stormers.

Marais was irked that information about the deal, which he termed as “confidential” was “leaked” to the media.


In a statement released late on Sunday, Marais said: “The majority of our members serving the Union at these levels find the behaviour of members that make themselves guilty of such treasonous acts as disgraceful and unbecoming of a leader, and I call on any person serving WP Rugby in this manner to rather vacate your position with honour or to stop this need you have to misuse your position of trust to feed the media information that is mostly quoted out of context or leaked when the sole purpose of influencing outcomes in the boardroom.”

IOL reported earlier this week that the cash strapped WPRFU was entertaining a massive $6 million (around R100 million) offer from a group of American businessmen. According to our report, the consortium were after a controlling share in the Stormers.

Speaking to Independent Media during the week, Marco Masotti, former Durban lawyer who represents MVM Holdings, a group of ex-South African businssmen in the United States, said they submitted an excusivity agreement to the WPRFUon July 8 in which his consortium offer to buy 51% of the Stormers for the controlling interest.

“The Western Province RFU has since come back to us with the concern that they should keep the controlling share, but tht they would give us an equitable share of the Board (of the Stormers),” said Masotti.

In his statement, Marais said whatever agreement was reached, it would be “structured to best serve the longterm interest of the Union being the 100% shareholder”, which didn’t sit well with the consortium.

Masotti had earlier said: “There needs to be one controler and the guys that are involved in this bid have extensive experience in enterprises of this kind – we are talking about owners of NBA and ice hockey teams.”

IOL Sport
Honestly, this is becoming a bit of a circus.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:27 am
by handyman
One of the worst things is that there is no clear indication of who is in charge. Marais? The clubs? The companies giving loans?

For this part of WP, I'm using the volstruis method.

Re: WP / Stormers 2020/2021

Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:38 pm
by Sards
OomStruisbaai wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:00 pm
instead of constantly promoting as an individual they should let him run and pass with the backline at training.
He might get to meet his teammates