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One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:25 pm
by Niegs
Gordon's said to be offside (I'm not even 100 certain Hunt is ON side). Does Hunt being onside and in front of him not put him on?




I'm better with pics and video, but this page isn't helping me much: https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:27 pm
by ASMO
Niegs wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:25 pm Gordon's said to be offside (I'm not even 100 certain Hunt is ON side). Does Hunt being onside and in front of him not put him on?




I'm better with pics and video, but this page isn't helping me much: https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=10&language=EN
No, he was in front of the kicker, never even tried to retire so he is deffo offside

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:37 pm
by earl the beaver
He should make an attempt to get onside but surely (as with forwards who move forward after a box kick) he's played onside by 12?

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:37 pm
by Niegs
I know when a ball is kicked forward - say by a full back who is fairly taken out just as he gets the kick off, to make it super clear - offside players can be put onside by opponent running 5m, passing or intentionally playing the ball.

What about a similar scenario ... full back cross kicks to his winger .... oh, I think I've answered my own devil's advocate issue here. That's an "open play" scenario. The ruck here created the offside line.

Well spotted by the TMO!

If you roll back the clip a bit for the obstruction call ... no hint of a forward pass in their eyes?

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:38 pm
by ASMO
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:37 pm He should make an attempt to get onside but surely (as with forwards who move forward after a box kick) he's played onside by 12?
No as the 12 doesnt have the ball, i am pretty sure if the ball had of been passed to the 12 and then the 12 had progressed beyond the point in the field where the 9 was he might have a case, but the bottom line is there was no attempt to get back onside by the 9.

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:41 pm
by earl the beaver
ASMO wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:38 pm
earl the beaver wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:37 pm He should make an attempt to get onside but surely (as with forwards who move forward after a box kick) he's played onside by 12?
No as the 12 doesnt have the ball, i am pretty sure if the ball had of been passed to the 12 and then the 12 had progressed beyond the point in the field where the 9 was he might have a case, but the bottom line is there was no attempt to get back onside by the 9.
But compare that to say an up and under from 10 off a scrum or lineout, the forwards who are in front of the ball are played onside by the backs who have come from behind the 10 to chase the kick and therefore can form the defensive line when overtaken.

Surely the two situations or comparable? The guy behind the kicker catches the ball, the offside line is now that man?

Re: One for the rugby legal eagles

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:42 pm
by Raggs
Looks harsh to me. He doesn't sprint forwards until the 12 has cleared him. Letter of the law perhaps offside but you see 100s of those not given. Basically if he hadn't scored they'd have let it play on i reckon.