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In the latest court appearance of farm murderers more than 4000 from the farming community protested outside the court. Getting momentum.

Did they knile?

Die mense is gatvol vir die kak.

OomStruisbaai wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:37 pm Did they knile?

Both knees, praying.

I wish them all the best, but I fear their protests will fall on deaf ears.

In other news - the DA recently sent numerous twitters of hate speech and racism regarding farm murders to the HRC for investigation. The HRC refuses to do anything brushing it off as a police matter. This of course after they have vigilantly investigated and prosecuted numerous white people for the slightest racist rant. Jeebus, this country is a fucking double-standard racist cesspit.

A sad state of affairs that these farm murders have continued unabated for so long.

Amethyst wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:59 pm Jeebus, this country is a fucking double-standard racist cesspit.

If it makes you feel any better, UK is much the same

Part of the problem is that the South African government feels it shouldn't focus on "relatively" small number of farm murders when murders are so widespread across the country.

Which I interpret is that they'd rather do nothing about all murders than try and help a minority of murders.

Disclaimer: I live on a farm although I am not dependent on farming for a living.

I (normally) leave my family on the farm during the week while I travel, so rural security is a real concern for me.

Having said that, I am concerned over the way many (especially on social media) treat the rural security issue as an exclusively white, mainly Afrikaner concern, which it is not. It is easy to see this as an example of some lives being deemed more important than others, especially given the murder stats nationwide versus what is deemed to be farm attacks, this perception does everyone a disservice.

What the rural security issue has done, and I can only talk about my immediate experience, is bring our community a lot closer, which includes SAPS etc.

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm A sad state of affairs that these farm murders have continued unabated for so long.

Amethyst wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:59 pm Jeebus, this country is a fucking double-standard racist cesspit.

If it makes you feel any better, UK is much the same

As demonstrated by the fact that .......?

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm A sad state of affairs that these farm murders have continued unabated for so long.

Amethyst wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:59 pm Jeebus, this country is a fucking double-standard racist cesspit.

If it makes you feel any better, UK is much the same

Hyperbole much?

‘tsek wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:16 pm Disclaimer: I live on a farm although I am not dependent on farming for a living.

I (normally) leave my family on the farm during the week while I travel, so rural security is a real concern for me.

Having said that, I am concerned over the way many (especially on social media) treat the rural security issue as an exclusively white, mainly Afrikaner concern, which it is not. It is easy to see this as an example of some lives being deemed more important than others, especially given the murder stats nationwide versus what is deemed to be farm attacks, this perception does everyone a disservice.

What the rural security issue has done, and I can only talk about my immediate experience, is bring our community a lot closer, which includes SAPS etc.

Well it is almost an exclusively white issue. Which percentage of victims of farm murders from farm attacks is actually black, 15% at most? Besides the perpetrators are all black. Also the way they actually torture the white farmers almost exclusively shows that there is an element of racial hatred. So yes, there is a racial element to it no doubt at all and it is indeed true that white farmers in particular are targeted. Anyone who denies that is a fool.

Yes, that is how the argument goes.

Too much "almost exclusively" there for me to come to a definitive conclusion, but each to their own.

So just so we are on the same page, what is a farmer and what constitutes a farm attack? It lately seems that crimes on smallholdings get lumped together with "farm attacks" and attacks on farmers. Smallholdings imo are easy targets, close to urban centres but removed enough from nosy neighbours.

I do not argue that there is no senseless brutality, but I think it is absurd to conclude that only attacks on farmers come with such.

Is there a conspiracy or an attempt at "white genocide"? (again, certain sectors of society seem to expound this). Genuinely interested, is there some kind of lucid argument to substantiate this viewpoint?

Ek luister by die draadloos.

‘tsek wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:33 pm Yes, that is how the argument goes.

Too much "almost exclusively" there for me to come to a definitive conclusion, but each to their own.

So just so we are on the same page, what is a farmer and what constitutes a farm attack? It lately seems that crimes on smallholdings get lumped together with "farm attacks" and attacks on farmers. Smallholdings imo are easy targets, close to urban centres but removed enough from nosy neighbours.

I do not argue that there is no senseless brutality, but I think it is absurd to conclude that only attacks on farmers come with such.

Is there a conspiracy or an attempt at "white genocide"? (again, certain sectors of society seem to expound this). Genuinely interested, is there some kind of lucid argument to substantiate this viewpoint?

Ek luister by die draadloos.

I don't agree with the white genocide notion. Genocide by definition is basically "kill voor die voet". This is not what is happening. If that were the case the death rate would be much higher (god forbid) and very few farmers would actually survive any farm attack at all. Yes smallholdings are sometimes grouped with farms but to be fair those living on smallholdings are most likely to "farm" on a small scale. Now for the facts that can't be denied.

1. Farm attacks and murders are the highest of any sector in the country (per 100000 or however you want to calculate it). It should be a priority crime and needs special policing
2. It is indeed WHITE people who are primarily targeted and are murdered on farms (about 85%). In fact, I would suggest black labourers are only killed when they happen to be present in the farm house or trying to actually defend the attack. I know of no cases where the farm labourers were the primary targets of the attackers.
3. Farm attacks are brutal. If the farmers are not killed, they are either left for dead or severely assaulted. In many cases tortured for hours in the most horrific ways. Why, because it's not necessary. There must be another reason for this and I believe it has to do with (racial) hatred which could be ignited by the likes of Malema and comrades. BTW - in the cases where the black farm labourers are involved, you would in many cases find that the attackers just subdue the black labourers but then kill the white people of the house, why?
4. Nobody denies that other attacks besides farm attacks can also be brutal, however, you can bet your bottom dollar that a farm attack WILL be brutal.

A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm A sad state of affairs that these farm murders have continued unabated for so long.

Amethyst wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:59 pm Jeebus, this country is a fucking double-standard racist cesspit.

If it makes you feel any better, UK is much the same

Hyperbole much?

Certainly, the English countryside is notoriously unsafe.

Good to see the HRC (after pressure from the DA) are now going to investigate the hate speech and racist tweets. Some criminal charges also laid.

‘tsek wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:16 pm Disclaimer: I live on a farm although I am not dependent on farming for a living.

I (normally) leave my family on the farm during the week while I travel, so rural security is a real concern for me.

Having said that, I am concerned over the way many (especially on social media) treat the rural security issue as an exclusively white, mainly Afrikaner concern, which it is not. It is easy to see this as an example of some lives being deemed more important than others, especially given the murder stats nationwide versus what is deemed to be farm attacks, this perception does everyone a disservice.

What the rural security issue has done, and I can only talk about my immediate experience, is bring our community a lot closer, which includes SAPS etc.

Good post.
It's a massive problem. Government won't be able to solve it, but they are also not helping by tying rural communities' hands when it comes to community policing.
But some areas with good station commanders and strong community policing forums are making great strides.

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:30 am

A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Insane_Homer wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:03 pm A sad state of affairs that these farm murders have continued unabated for so long.



If it makes you feel any better, UK is much the same

Hyperbole much?

Certainly, the English countryside is notoriously unsafe.

Indeed. In fact I was brutally murdered twice earlier this evening by a gang looking to take over my vegetable patch.

A6D6E6 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:30 am

A6D6E6 wrote: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Hyperbole much?

Certainly, the English countryside is notoriously unsafe.

Indeed. In fact I was brutally murdered twice earlier this evening by a gang looking to take over my vegetable patch.

I believe it's called a cete of badgers not a gang.

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:37 am

A6D6E6 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Paddington Bear wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:30 am

Certainly, the English countryside is notoriously unsafe.

Indeed. In fact I was brutally murdered twice earlier this evening by a gang looking to take over my vegetable patch.

I believe it's called a cete of badgers not a gang.

It could be a clan or colony who live together in a sett.
However cete is an excellent collective noun oft heard or seen.

C69 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 am

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:37 am

A6D6E6 wrote: Wed Aug 19, 2020 8:53 pm

Indeed. In fact I was brutally murdered twice earlier this evening by a gang looking to take over my vegetable patch.

I believe it's called a cete of badgers not a gang.

It could be a clan or colony who live together in a sett.
However cete is an excellent collective noun oft heard or seen.

Is it? Can't say I've heard or seen it for ages...

JM2K6 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:29 am

C69 wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:23 am

average joe wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:37 am

I believe it's called a cete of badgers not a gang.

It could be a clan or colony who live together in a sett.
However cete is an excellent collective noun oft heard or seen.

Is it? Can't say I've heard or seen it for ages...

Sorry should have read "not oft heard or seen"

You guy's missed the joke. I know it's a bit kak but replace cete with clan the if you like.

average joe wrote: Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:18 am You guy's missed the joke. I know it's a bit kak but replace cete with clan the if you like.

Not I got the joke, however I was more impressed by the linguistics.