So, coronavirus...

[JM2K6]

Moderna have jsut tested a version of their vaccine targeting the SA variant, shown to produce the correct antibodies in mice

Well that's shit - why are we vaccinating mice? Let the fuckers die

[Saint]

Oxford University study into Blood Clots post Covid and post vaccine - very high level

A study suggests the risk of getting rare blood clots is eight to 10 times higher after contracting coronavirus than it is for those who have been vaccinated against the disease.

Researchers at Oxford University (independent of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine) said the risk of cerebral venous thrombosis (CVT) - an unusual blood clot in the brain also known as CVST (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis) - is around eight to 10 times higher after catching the virus than getting vaccinated with the BioNTech-Pfizer, Moderna or Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid jabs.

The researchers said people who have had Covid shouldn't be unduly worried by clots either.

[Sandstorm]

Moderna have jsut tested a version of their vaccine targeting the SA variant, shown to produce the correct antibodies in mice

Well that's shit - why are we vaccinating mice? Let the fuckers die

[Sandstorm]

New Desi Covid variant frim India is looking very scary. Now a few dozen cases in London.

Awesome border controls yet again Boris!

[TB63]

New Desi Covid variant frim India is looking very scary. Now a few dozen cases in London.

Awesome border controls yet again Boris!

<<<Stares suspiciously at Chicken Tikka in fridge>>>

[Hal Jordan]

New Desi Covid variant frim India is looking very scary. Now a few dozen cases in London.

Awesome border controls yet again Boris!

Do we need a trade deal with them?

Plus our good friend Modi on the Axis of Fash.

[Lobby]

New Desi Covid variant frim India is looking very scary. Now a few dozen cases in London.

Awesome border controls yet again Boris!

Do we need a trade deal with them?

Plus our good friend Modi on the Axis of Fash.

Interesting that while Bangladesh and Pakistan are on the UK travel red list countries, India hasn’t yet been added, despite its high rate of infections and nasty variants.

Boris is due to fly over there in 10 days time with a whole entourage of officials and lobbyists; be interesting to see if that goes ahead.

[Biffer]

Seems that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause blood clots

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... influenza/

Come on Denmark, ban them.

[Sandstorm]

New Desi Covid variant frim India is looking very scary. Now a few dozen cases in London.

Awesome border controls yet again Boris!

Do we need a trade deal with them?

Plus our good friend Modi on the Axis of Fash.

Interesting that while Bangladesh and Pakistan are on the UK travel red list countries, India hasn’t yet been added, despite its high rate of infections and nasty variants.

Boris is due to fly over there in 10 days time with a whole entourage of officials and lobbyists; be interesting to see if that goes ahead.

Good question for the 5pm Covid Show: "So Prime Minister, are you and your 100 lobbyists going to cancel your trade junket to India to save lives and protect the NHS?"

[Sandstorm]

Seems that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause blood clots

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... influenza/

Come on Denmark, ban them.

[Fangle]

Pfizer have announced that possiby an annual booster shot will be required. Moderna are working on a combined covid/flu booster.

[Bullet]

Just booked my 2nd jab for the end of April.
With my Mother in law dying yesterday it's shaping up to be a good weekend

[Sandstorm]

Just booked my 2nd jab for the end of April.
With my Mother in law dying yesterday it's shaping up to be a good weekend

[Raggs]

Sinovac only 80% effective at preventing death.

https://www.reuters.com/business/health ... 021-04-16/

85% against hospitalisation and 67% against symptomatic infection. This has to be taken with consideration that it's facing p1 strain a lot. Would be interesting to see if there's a good breakdown against strains.

[Calculon]

That's not bad, will be interesting to see how it compares to the pfizer

He said Chile's health ministry will shortly publish a real world study on the effectiveness of both vaccines rolled out in its population and appealed to Chileans to continue to participate in the vaccination programme.

[Fangle]

In Georgia they are struggling to get people vaccinated, especially in Deliverance mountain areas. So they have opened clinics to all comers. Just rock up and get your vaccinations.

[BnM]

Agnes Pannier-Runacher, the French industry minister, said it is 'highly probable' that the EU won't order any more AstraZeneca or Johnson & Johnson vaccines.
Europe is scheduled to receive 500million doses of AZ and J&J vaccines this year, but it is thought contract will not be renewed after that

No comment.

[Glaston]

In other news, Fiji vaccinated nearly 2% of its population on thursday with the AZ jab.


The EU and the Yanks can send the AZ jab they don't want to the COVAX set up.

[Raggs]

In other news, Fiji vaccinated nearly 2% of its population on thursday with the AZ jab.


The EU and the Yanks can send the AZ jab they don't want to the COVAX set up.

The Yanks can't actually. Contract won't allow them.

[Glaston]

In other news, Fiji vaccinated nearly 2% of its population on thursday with the AZ jab.


The EU and the Yanks can send the AZ jab they don't want to the COVAX set up.

The Yanks can't actually. Contract won't allow them.

So the vaccine is sitting in a USA warehouse slowly running out of bb4 date.

Meanwhile the Chinese are offering their vaccine to all and sundry.

Wonder who will win the Global soft power battle?

[Raggs]

In other news, Fiji vaccinated nearly 2% of its population on thursday with the AZ jab.


The EU and the Yanks can send the AZ jab they don't want to the COVAX set up.

The Yanks can't actually. Contract won't allow them.

So the vaccine is sitting in a USA warehouse slowly running out of bb4 date.

Meanwhile the Chinese are offering their vaccine to all and sundry.

Wonder who will win the Global soft power battle?

That's not what I said. American companies can sell who they want to. But anything bought by the USA can only be used in US territories and cannot be exported elsewhere.

[Sandstorm]

Hawaiian Islands are vaccinating 18-25 year olds this week with Pfiser. 16-17 year olds pencilled in for 1 June.

[Saint]

The Yanks can't actually. Contract won't allow them.

So the vaccine is sitting in a USA warehouse slowly running out of bb4 date.

Meanwhile the Chinese are offering their vaccine to all and sundry.

Wonder who will win the Global soft power battle?

That's not what I said. American companies can sell who they want to. But anything bought by the USA can only be used in US territories and cannot be exported elsewhere.

I thought its was more that the US had part funded AZ production in the US, and therefore every export requires Presidential sign-off

[Raggs]

So the vaccine is sitting in a USA warehouse slowly running out of bb4 date.

Meanwhile the Chinese are offering their vaccine to all and sundry.

Wonder who will win the Global soft power battle?

That's not what I said. American companies can sell who they want to. But anything bought by the USA can only be used in US territories and cannot be exported elsewhere.

I thought its was more that the US had part funded AZ production in the US, and therefore every export requires Presidential sign-off

I posted a new article a while back saying contracts with vaccine companies says anything sold to US must be used within us territories.

[Saint]

That's not what I said. American companies can sell who they want to. But anything bought by the USA can only be used in US territories and cannot be exported elsewhere.

I thought its was more that the US had part funded AZ production in the US, and therefore every export requires Presidential sign-off

I posted a new article a while back saying contracts with vaccine companies says anything sold to US must be used within us territories.

To the best of my knowledge, over two thirds of US production from AZ has been contracted to countries other than US (primarily Canada and Mexico). The trouble is that AZ can't even send what they're contracted to to either country without a Presidential signature, because some of the production capability in the US was funded under there Defense Procurement Act. There's 30 million plus doses sat in the US that wont last forever. 4 million odd were released to Canada and Mexico last month under a reciprocal agreement that said they would be replace, but even that caused issues internally in the US. There's a very real chance that the majority of what has alreay been produced will be allowed to go to waste.

[TheNatalShark]

With 570k doses in England yesterday, supposedly just under 700k UK, 'quiet' month really proving not so quiet as the late March mild hysteria over re second dose needs and India's export restrictions warranted.

Wonder if those restrictions will be dropped to deliver second 5mm consignment, presume unlikely, and if UK will ever have supplies to hit 1mm daily jab mark before not needed and rollout sites wind down. Perhaps if Novavax comes through. Though Pfizer really appears to be opening the taps for Q2 production, but imagine they will prioritise other first time clients if meeting UK orders.

[TheNatalShark]

Seems that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause blood clots

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... influenza/

Come on Denmark, ban them.

Remind us why Biffer they indefinitely suspended their AZ rollout - do you think the Danish authorities are ignoring reports and potential affects of other vaccines?

Will the UK change its Pfizer/Moderna guidance tomorrow? Is the JCVI stupid for provisionally changing its guidance on AZ, and its explanation for provisionally changing AZ guidance is nothing more than complete and utter jibberish?

[TheNatalShark]

I posted a new article a while back saying contracts with vaccine companies says anything sold to US must be used within us territories.

To the best of my knowledge, over two thirds of US production from AZ has been contracted to countries other than US (primarily Canada and Mexico). The trouble is that AZ can't even send what they're contracted to to either country without a Presidential signature, because some of the production capability in the US was funded under there Defense Procurement Act. There's 30 million plus doses sat in the US that wont last forever. 4 million odd were released to Canada and Mexico last month under a reciprocal agreement that said they would be replace, but even that caused issues internally in the US. There's a very real chance that the majority of what has alreay been produced will be allowed to go to waste.

I recall reading a bit of both, that the subsidised production also took place under emergency authorisation to do so and that as such certain legal indemnities reside with the federal government, so that in addition to the Trump general executive order (not rescinded) production in the US is reversed for US unless presidential approval for export given, but then there is also legal work in transferring legal matters to the importing country for the "for US doses".

Needs some brave work by Biden with political capital he either doesn't have, or more likely, doesn't care enough (yet) to acquire.

Ironically in between the international AZ reviews, incidents like the reported 15mm J&J doses ruined "because of parallel AZ production", and its stellar Pfizer and Moderna roll-out, these 'negative' incidents may have a beneficial impact of making a potential export of AZ doses easier.


Somewhat annoying how bloody good the Americans can be when they set their minds on it.

[Hong Kong]

[Glaston]

Seems that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause blood clots

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... influenza/

Come on Denmark, ban them.

Remind us why Biffer they indefinitely suspended their AZ rollout - do you think the Danish authorities are ignoring reports and potential affects of other vaccines?

Will the UK change its Pfizer/Moderna guidance tomorrow? Is the JCVI stupid for provisionally changing its guidance on AZ, and its explanation for provisionally changing AZ guidance is nothing more than complete and utter jibberish?

Similar to what Biffer posted

Comparison of clotting between Vaccines.
Info from Oxford Uni
https://osf.io/a9jdq/

Huge difference in PVT with those vaccinated with Pfizer/Moderna, something like 30 times higher than OAZ

[Raggs]

Seems that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines also cause blood clots

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expe ... influenza/

Come on Denmark, ban them.

Remind us why Biffer they indefinitely suspended their AZ rollout - do you think the Danish authorities are ignoring reports and potential affects of other vaccines?

Will the UK change its Pfizer/Moderna guidance tomorrow? Is the JCVI stupid for provisionally changing its guidance on AZ, and its explanation for provisionally changing AZ guidance is nothing more than complete and utter jibberish?

Care to say what the JCVI stance is. Let's avoid the back and forth. People are offered an alternative (they don't have to accept an alternative) to AZ if it's available. So JCVI stance is give them AZ, it's fine, but if it helps uptake, offer something else.

Denmark suspended AZ because their case numbers are currently so low they can afford to be extremely picky. I hope it doesn't come back to bite them though, as if they get another wave, they could have had a significant number of people vaccinated if they hadn't changed stances.

[TheNatalShark]

Care to say what the JCVI stance is. Let's avoid the back and forth. People are offered an alternative (they don't have to accept an alternative) to AZ if it's available. So JCVI stance is give them AZ, it's fine, but if it helps uptake, offer something else.

Denmark suspended AZ because their case numbers are currently so low they can afford to be extremely picky. I hope it doesn't come back to bite them though, as if they get another wave, they could have had a significant number of people vaccinated if they hadn't changed stances.

I've nothing to add or subtract from that.

Understanding why they actually take decisions, understanding that they undertake them in their believed best interest of their pops and are irrefutably more qualified to do so than us is important. Rather than some assumption, inference or accusation that they are doing it as part of some crusade against a particular vaccine or nation 'of origin', because of our own made up reasons.

Re concern yes they've said, explicitly, if there was evidence or risk of infection numbers rising that they would consider resuming AZ rollout. As it is they already traded away so much of its AZ orders for Pfizer jabs last year that this decision won't have that material an impact on rollout, particularly given actual numbers being delivered.

[Sandstorm]

Local pub gardens round this way looked like Twickenham High Street establishments 90 minutes before an England Test. NO WAY was anyone worried about social distancing and pub landlords were gleefully making up for lost time.

Spike will be inevitable and if we get locked down again....

[Saint]

BoJo's jolly to India cancelled; hopefully we can now put India onto Red List

[BnM]

Local pub gardens round this way looked like Twickenham High Street establishments 90 minutes before an England Test. NO WAY was anyone worried about social distancing and pub landlords were gleefully making up for lost time.

Spike will be inevitable and if we get locked down again....

We know we're going to get more cases it's whether we get more deaths, it's a game of chicken. Drove past local hipster/artisanal brewery place on Friday afternoon, gorgeous sun and it was heaving. Nightingale hospital has been packed up.

[Fangle]

Outdoors is much better. I was looking at the Worldometers web site by state, and it’s obvious that the southern states are overall doing much better than the northern ones as far as new cases are concerned, despite generally having few restrictions. I put it down to being outdoors.

[SaintK]

BoJo's jolly to India cancelled; hopefully we can now put India onto Red List

From 4:00am this Friday. Not sure why they can't start sooner?

[Saint]

BoJo's jolly to India cancelled; hopefully we can now put India onto Red List

From 4:00am this Friday. Not sure why they can't start sooner?

Christ alone knows

In the meantime just 4 deaths reported for yesterday, 10.15 people double dosed, nearly 33 million with at least one dose

[Sandstorm]

Outdoors is much better. I was looking at the Worldometers web site by state, and it’s obvious that the southern states are overall doing much better than the northern ones as far as new cases are concerned, despite generally having few restrictions. I put it down to being outdoors.

But you also sit indoors with the aircon going. Once the temp gets high, people in S States will meet inside again.

[Fangle]

Outdoors is much better. I was looking at the Worldometers web site by state, and it’s obvious that the southern states are overall doing much better than the northern ones as far as new cases are concerned, despite generally having few restrictions. I put it down to being outdoors.

But you also sit indoors with the aircon going. Once the temp gets high, people in S States will meet inside again.

Hopefully a majority will be vaccinated by then. Only a third of Georgians have had their first jabs and a fifth their second. There is a struggle to get it done. Greater supply than appointments.