So, coronavirus...

[SaintK]

Seems if you’re a “sick note” and already have Patient Access or similar through NHS, you register in 5 mins. Like my wife.

If you are awesomely healthy/dodgy like me, then you have to prove your ID (passport/drivers license) upload a picture and go through a photo ID check which takes up to 7 days. Cnuts.

I’d the ID upload including sending a photograph of myself. All sorted in 10 minutes. Got full access almost immediately

[Saint]

I knew it.

[tc27]

MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.

[BnM]

It was only 9 weeks between my jabs.

Probably a bit too much info, but I realised today I had the speculated women's bleeding side effect, started a day later, just assumed it was the usual until the usual arrived 2 weeks later on the right date. I don't think that's been fully confirmed, at the mo it's a lot of anecdotal evidence.

[Saint]

MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.

It was already uneven across England anyway. The government statement if when someone was eligible for a 1st dose was effectively lowest common denominator. I had my 1st dose booked before the gic said I was eligible for a 1st dose, and I know people younger than me in a different regionh who were already 1st jabbed by then

[Sandstorm]

MiL's (in her early 60s) second dose bought forward to this week - wasn't due for about another month.

Chatted to a couple of School friends (late 30s) who have had theirs last week.

Wife is having her second this weekend. 10 weeks gap instead of expected 12.

[mat the expat]

People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

[TheNatalShark]

People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.

[Paddington Bear]

People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.

Pretty much this. I'd say it's about 1 in 10 pubs and restaurants enforcing it

[Slick]

Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.

Pretty much this. I'd say it's about 1 in 10 pubs and restaurants enforcing it

That's some serious catching up you have been doing

[Paddington Bear]

Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.

Pretty much this. I'd say it's about 1 in 10 pubs and restaurants enforcing it

That's some serious catching up you have been doing

Just doing my patriotic duty

[Saint]

UK opens vaccination to 36+ year olds. 54.1% of all jabs required to be delivered to the adult population have been completed now - 69.7% first dose, 38.5% second dose. We're about to reach the point where we see what vaccine hesitancy there really is in the youngest eligible age groups

[Slick]

UK opens vaccination to 36+ year olds. 54.1% of all jabs required to be delivered to the adult population have been completed now - 69.7% first dose, 38.5% second dose. We're about to reach the point where we see what vaccine hesitancy there really is in the youngest eligible age groups

I think this Indian variant is going to get the younger age groups thinking. Can see it sweeping through them as everyone lets down their guard with a few unhappy outcomes.

[Raggs]

UK opens vaccination to 36+ year olds. 54.1% of all jabs required to be delivered to the adult population have been completed now - 69.7% first dose, 38.5% second dose. We're about to reach the point where we see what vaccine hesitancy there really is in the youngest eligible age groups

From the data released a few days ago:

Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% first dose 67.6% 77.9% 89.8% 95.5% 98.1% 94.6% 97.4% 100%* 94.9%

Not too bad, considering some 50+ are likely still lining up their first dose. Does seem to be a dropping in uptake though, hopefully it's just due to the length of time it's been open, rather than anything else.

[Lemoentjie]

Harvard professor signs international letter calling for investigation into COVID-19 origins:

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus ... -lipsitch/

[Openside]

People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

The NHS App (for your proof of vaccine) is different from the NHS Covid tracker. Very much worthwhile getting it sorted now, rather than at some point in future when evryone suddenly wants to get it sorted. There's a stage that requires you to authorise your GP surgery to release their records to the app, and if they haven't got an automated system in place then it could take some time.

Just done it. Very simple

Is it the NHS Covid 19 app? as if so mine won't work as says another app is using the technology and stopping it working.

It might be the app that you report tests and vaccines on that I reoprt myself and my wife on daily. I am expecting an MBE at the end of it all

[Openside]

Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.

If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.

Yes lets blame the government rather than the stupid cunts travelling internationally without any reason to do so. The Govt has outlined what is permissible if the contents of Bradford , Bolton etc. take no heed that is on them...

[tc27]

I hate Twitter - my favourite sci-fi author is a full on anti-vaxxer/lockdown 'sceptic'.

[mat the expat]

People really aren't bothered about checking in on the app I've found - I'll do it if prompted and have only done it a couple of times since things opened up.

Why wouldn't you?

Here in NSW, the take-up is massive - albeit followed up by fines for the company if they don't enforce.

For a few ales and food, it's a no brainer

Anecdotally it falls into 'personal documentation & interference' side of things which we're generally not very fond of in the UK, general laziness, relatively little promotion & no meaningful enforcement, and an element of "I don't want to be quarantined because of someone the other side of the establishment tested positive a week ago" attitude - and the levels of infection [not present mind] in UK mean much more likely than in Aus. I imagine if Aus citizens had to isolate eg once a month that usage would drop off.

I'm from the UK, and Melbourne was locked down for months.

I guess the old blitz spirit is gone

[Saint]

The NHS App (for your proof of vaccine) is different from the NHS Covid tracker. Very much worthwhile getting it sorted now, rather than at some point in future when evryone suddenly wants to get it sorted. There's a stage that requires you to authorise your GP surgery to release their records to the app, and if they haven't got an automated system in place then it could take some time.

Just done it. Very simple

Is it the NHS Covid 19 app? as if so mine won't work as says another app is using the technology and stopping it working.

It might be the app that you report tests and vaccines on that I reoprt myself and my wife on daily. I am expecting an MBE at the end of it all

OK - so there are 3 apps that you might/should have that are directly related to Covid and vaccination in the UK

1 - The NHS Covid-19 app. This is the tracnk aand trace app that alerts you as to being in proximity with someone who's tested positive, and that allows you to check into venues by scanning QR codes
2 - The Covid Symptom Study. this is the Zoe app, where by you check in daily to report positive tests, vaccinations etc. Nothing in this app will impact the Covid-19 app
3 - The NHS app. This is your login to your NHS medical records and where you can directly access a proof of vaccination record, which may or may not ultimately become a Vaccine "passport". Nothing here will impact the Covid-19 app either

When the Covid-19 app says it can't work because another app is using the technology,. it means that you have a background app running that is alsoBbluetooth scanning/beaconing. Only 1 app can have control of that part of the Bluetooth stack. So do you have another track and trace app installed and running? When I went to Italy last year I had to disable the UK platform to run the Italian app instead

[Insane_Homer]

[GogLais]

Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.

If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.

Yes lets blame the government rather than the stupid cunts travelling internationally without any reason to do so. The Govt has outlined what is permissible if the contents of Bradford , Bolton etc. take no heed that is on them...

Some people will always break the rules and a competent government should prepare for that. It's ok saying the problem is on the citizens of Bradford, etc but it's our problem as well once it starts spreading. I know it's not in India but horror tales from our Virgin stewardess neighbour about lack of compliance with Covid security on flights from Islamabad.

[Sandstorm]

They were wrong!
Take 4 minutes to read or listen this article on NPR about Herd Immunity

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ntists-say

That doctor sounds Indian. No way anyone will take his work on Covid19 as gospel.

[SaintK]

Boris can’t commit to border closures, no matter how much good advice and advance notice he gets. Idiot.

If we loose the summer to another lockdown because of the pig headed refusual to stop travel from India then this government is going to be in deep shit.

Yes lets blame the government rather than the stupid cunts travelling internationally without any reason to do so. The Govt has outlined what is permissible if the contents of Bradford , Bolton etc. take no heed that is on them...

Naah. The twats kept the Indian corridor open for another 2 weeks after they had closed it to Pakistan and Bangladesh who had far lower rates of infection. It was a political decision based on the fact that the blonde slug wanted to hold off cancelling the trip
Neither have the Home Office office sorted out the Border Force for arrivals into the UK. You've got 1000's of people arriving with no segregation between those from "red" zones mingling with those from amber and green with little or no social distancing
It's a fucking farce...............yet again!

[Sandstorm]

Neither have the Home Office office sorted out the Border Force for arrivals into the UK. You've got 1000's of people arriving with no segregation between those from "red" zones mingling with those from amber and green with little or no social distancing

Surely the easiest thing is to send all Green + Amber flights into Heathrow, then all Red flights to Gatwick only? Fuck, this Govt really is completely useless!

[Slick]

Neither have the Home Office office sorted out the Border Force for arrivals into the UK. You've got 1000's of people arriving with no segregation between those from "red" zones mingling with those from amber and green with little or no social distancing

Surely the easiest thing is to send all Green + Amber flights into Heathrow, then all Red flights to Gatwick only? Fuck, this Govt really is completely useless!

Is there not somewhere a little more shit and out of the way we can send the amber and red flights to?

[Saint]

Neither have the Home Office office sorted out the Border Force for arrivals into the UK. You've got 1000's of people arriving with no segregation between those from "red" zones mingling with those from amber and green with little or no social distancing

Surely the easiest thing is to send all Green + Amber flights into Heathrow, then all Red flights to Gatwick only? Fuck, this Govt really is completely useless!

Reportedly the Border Force agents have let it be known that there is no money in the world you could pay them to work at an exclusively Red Flight terminal/airport.

For which the real answer is that no-one should be flying to/from a Red Flight country without the reason for travel being pre-approved. Some travel to and from India probably is unavoidable, especially given the work between Oxford/AZ/SII - but nowhere near the scale that is still happening

[troglodiet]

......our Virgin stewardess neighbour....

I don't even know my neighbours' names, yet you know yours' virginity status.

Impressive.

[SaintK]

......our Virgin stewardess neighbour....

I don't even know my neighbours' names, yet you know yours' virginity status.

Impressive.

[Openside]

Just done it. Very simple

Is it the NHS Covid 19 app? as if so mine won't work as says another app is using the technology and stopping it working.

It might be the app that you report tests and vaccines on that I reoprt myself and my wife on daily. I am expecting an MBE at the end of it all

OK - so there are 3 apps that you might/should have that are directly related to Covid and vaccination in the UK

1 - The NHS Covid-19 app. This is the tracnk aand trace app that alerts you as to being in proximity with someone who's tested positive, and that allows you to check into venues by scanning QR codes
2 - The Covid Symptom Study. this is the Zoe app, where by you check in daily to report positive tests, vaccinations etc. Nothing in this app will impact the Covid-19 app
3 - The NHS app. This is your login to your NHS medical records and where you can directly access a proof of vaccination record, which may or may not ultimately become a Vaccine "passport". Nothing here will impact the Covid-19 app either

When the Covid-19 app says it can't work because another app is using the technology,. it means that you have a background app running that is alsoBbluetooth scanning/beaconing. Only 1 app can have control of that part of the Bluetooth stack. So do you have another track and trace app installed and running? When I went to Italy last year I had to disable the UK platform to run the Italian app instead

Thank you for your detailed and helpful response - I have been reporting on No.2 for 15 months religiously. As for the rest is will not surprise you to learn that I have no idea if I have another app working that is blocking it, but I am not downloading an app that will tell me I have to quarantine as someone might have walked past me whilst positive. (Not very public spirited I know)

[Openside]

......our Virgin stewardess neighbour....

I don't even know my neighbours' names, yet you know yours' virginity status.

Impressive.

outstanding foruming

[Openside]

Neither have the Home Office office sorted out the Border Force for arrivals into the UK. You've got 1000's of people arriving with no segregation between those from "red" zones mingling with those from amber and green with little or no social distancing

Surely the easiest thing is to send all Green + Amber flights into Heathrow, then all Red flights to Gatwick only? Fuck, this Govt really is completely useless!

Thats a pretty good idea

[Happyhooker]

Is it the NHS Covid 19 app? as if so mine won't work as says another app is using the technology and stopping it working.

It might be the app that you report tests and vaccines on that I reoprt myself and my wife on daily. I am expecting an MBE at the end of it all

OK - so there are 3 apps that you might/should have that are directly related to Covid and vaccination in the UK

1 - The NHS Covid-19 app. This is the tracnk aand trace app that alerts you as to being in proximity with someone who's tested positive, and that allows you to check into venues by scanning QR codes
2 - The Covid Symptom Study. this is the Zoe app, where by you check in daily to report positive tests, vaccinations etc. Nothing in this app will impact the Covid-19 app
3 - The NHS app. This is your login to your NHS medical records and where you can directly access a proof of vaccination record, which may or may not ultimately become a Vaccine "passport". Nothing here will impact the Covid-19 app either

When the Covid-19 app says it can't work because another app is using the technology,. it means that you have a background app running that is alsoBbluetooth scanning/beaconing. Only 1 app can have control of that part of the Bluetooth stack. So do you have another track and trace app installed and running? When I went to Italy last year I had to disable the UK platform to run the Italian app instead

Thank you for your detailed and helpful response - I have been reporting on No.2 for 15 months religiously. As for the rest is will not surprise you to learn that I have no idea if I have another app working that is blocking it, but I am not downloading an app that will tell me I have to quarantine as someone might have walked past me whilst positive. (Not very public spirited I know)

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

[Openside]

OK - so there are 3 apps that you might/should have that are directly related to Covid and vaccination in the UK

1 - The NHS Covid-19 app. This is the tracnk aand trace app that alerts you as to being in proximity with someone who's tested positive, and that allows you to check into venues by scanning QR codes
2 - The Covid Symptom Study. this is the Zoe app, where by you check in daily to report positive tests, vaccinations etc. Nothing in this app will impact the Covid-19 app
3 - The NHS app. This is your login to your NHS medical records and where you can directly access a proof of vaccination record, which may or may not ultimately become a Vaccine "passport". Nothing here will impact the Covid-19 app either

When the Covid-19 app says it can't work because another app is using the technology,. it means that you have a background app running that is alsoBbluetooth scanning/beaconing. Only 1 app can have control of that part of the Bluetooth stack. So do you have another track and trace app installed and running? When I went to Italy last year I had to disable the UK platform to run the Italian app instead

Thank you for your detailed and helpful response - I have been reporting on No.2 for 15 months religiously. As for the rest is will not surprise you to learn that I have no idea if I have another app working that is blocking it, but I am not downloading an app that will tell me I have to quarantine as someone might have walked past me whilst positive. (Not very public spirited I know)

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

How does it work then - I was under the impression (clearly erroneously) that is is all about proximity to other mobile devices...

[Ovals]

......our Virgin stewardess neighbour....

I don't even know my neighbours' names, yet you know yours' virginity status.

Impressive.

Very Good

[Happyhooker]

Thank you for your detailed and helpful response - I have been reporting on No.2 for 15 months religiously. As for the rest is will not surprise you to learn that I have no idea if I have another app working that is blocking it, but I am not downloading an app that will tell me I have to quarantine as someone might have walked past me whilst positive. (Not very public spirited I know)

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

How does it work then - I was under the impression (clearly erroneously) that is is all about proximity to other mobile devices...

Exposed to other devices over an extended period of time. There's some programming involved but it would take longer than I have right now to explain it. The algorithm is also really shit.

This "oh, if I walk past someone who has it" is utter bollocks daily mail crap.

You're more likely to be contacted if you just fill in the name and number list that all pubs are keeping.


Oh, and in respect to paddington's post, only one pub I've been in in the last month has been lax on this, and we left pretty rapidly.

[Jockaline]

I can't say I'm too keen to have an app with all my medical records on it. Am I being overly paranoid?

[Saint]

Thank you for your detailed and helpful response - I have been reporting on No.2 for 15 months religiously. As for the rest is will not surprise you to learn that I have no idea if I have another app working that is blocking it, but I am not downloading an app that will tell me I have to quarantine as someone might have walked past me whilst positive. (Not very public spirited I know)

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

How does it work then - I was under the impression (clearly erroneously) that is is all about proximity to other mobile devices...

It's a combination of proximity and time. If you walk past someone else with the app enabled it's almost certain that you won't even register at all as being in proximity. And if you do, that brief proximity will not trigger any sort of alert at all.

The exact formula is changing as the understanding develops, but it's down to a combination of signal strength + time. So if you spend a large amount of time (I think we're currently talking 5 minutes+) in near proximity (and given Bluetooth power ranges we're realistically talking sub 1 metre) then that's enough to trigger an alert.

There's no real excuse for not having the NHS Covid19 app running in your phone. Any criticism that can be levelled at it is that it's nowhere near sensitive enough (deliberately so) to actually do any good

[Openside]

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

How does it work then - I was under the impression (clearly erroneously) that is is all about proximity to other mobile devices...

Exposed to other devices over an extended period of time. There's some programming involved but it would take longer than I have right now to explain it. The algorithm is also really shit.

This "oh, if I walk past someone who has it" is utter bollocks daily mail crap.

You're more likely to be contacted if you just fill in the name and number list that all pubs are keeping.


Oh, and in respect to paddington's post, only one pub I've been in in the last month has been lax on this, and we left pretty rapidly.

In my experience no one puts their real phone number down at the pub. I rely on social distancing but I live in the country and the only two places I have been in the last two months is the Golf club and the supermarket.

[Openside]

That's not how it works ffs. Even the telegraph reports it better than that little trite soundbite. You used to be better than this

How does it work then - I was under the impression (clearly erroneously) that is is all about proximity to other mobile devices...

It's a combination of proximity and time. If you walk past someone else with the app enabled it's almost certain that you won't even register at all as being in proximity. And if you do, that brief proximity will not trigger any sort of alert at all.

The exact formula is changing as the understanding develops, but it's down to a combination of signal strength + time. So if you spend a large amount of time (I think we're currently talking 5 minutes+) in near proximity (and given Bluetooth power ranges we're realistically talking sub 1 metre) then that's enough to trigger an alert.

There's no real excuse for not having the NHS Covid19 app running in your phone. Any criticism that can be levelled at it is that it's nowhere near sensitive enough (deliberately so) to actually do any good

cheers fair enough I will load it then.