So, coronavirus...

[BnM]

Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.

https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true

Paywalled link.

FT covid stuff is free. You'll just need to go to the covid section on the site and find the article.

[Grandpa]

Dirty Krauts are again attacking our great British vaccine with their stupid sun dial pseudo science theories. Need to stop worrying about Cummings and remember our true enemies are the dirty Euros.

https://amp.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec0 ... ssion=true

Paywalled link.

All adults with one dose by the end of June seemed unlikely a few weeks ago but I think they will do it:

Presumably some doses administered at gunpoint?

[Raggs]

From the data released a few days ago:

Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% first dose 67.6% 77.9% 89.8% 95.5% 98.1% 94.6% 97.4% 100%* 94.9%

Not too bad, considering some 50+ are likely still lining up their first dose. Does seem to be a dropping in uptake though, hopefully it's just due to the length of time it's been open, rather than anything else.

Data from the latest week (20th May)

Age range 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
% 1st dose 77.1% 80.7% 90.3% 95.9% 98.4% 94.7% 97.4% 100%* 94.8%

Good to see the lower age ranges still climbing. With the increased transmission variants, we need good coverage, and we seem to be getting it.

For 1st doses 27th May.
40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65-69 70-74 75-79 80+
82.3% 82.6% 90.7% 96.3% 98.7% 94.8% 97.5% 100%* 94.7%

Nice to see those numbers rising. Obviously 2nd dose is important too, but I think that the majority of people who've had a first dose will go for a second. I wonder if theres something significant about that drop between the 50-54 and the 55+. It's quite a big drop, might just be the slow down?

[Biffer]

But I have seen and heard people telling me that they don't do it, thats my experience

Not what you said.

Well thats what I meant - Suck it up!!

A vague admission that you were wrong, finally.

[Niegs]

Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

[Biffer]

Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

Say goodbye to overseas tours

[Saint]

Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

[Margin__Walker]

Tons of them down at Exeter (Williams, Hepburn, Nowell etc). Something in the water I reckon.

[Biffer]

To be fair, for some of these fellas down in the West Country we’re lucky they don’t think colour TV is stealing their souls.

[Happyhooker]

Doesn't he have fairly serious diabetes?

[Margin__Walker]

Doesn't he have fairly serious diabetes?

Yeah, he's type 1 from memory

[Margin__Walker]

Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

[Saint]

Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

[sockwithaticket]

I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

[Raggs]

I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

What exactly is he expecting to suddenly jump out after 6 months and hundreds of millions of doses?

[sockwithaticket]

Charitably I'd say that unless someone's got a hitherto unknown time machine knocking about we can't know with absolute certainty the long term impact of the covid vaccines on people. However that's of course been the case since forever when it comes to medical advancements, so its not much of a point.

[fishfoodie]

Say goodbye to overseas tours

If I were a coach from another team; I wouldn't be happy with my players attending an England camp with him either. Even being in a ruck, during a game, with him could be enough to infect someone else.

We know the vaccines aren't 100% effective; & if plums like him infect your players, you end up having to concede games; thru no fault of your own.

The RFU & other bodies need to make it clear that if players aren't vaccinated; they have to get tested more often, so they can't infect anyone else.

[Niegs]

I've seen the article text on reddit, these are the two key lines of quote for me:

There is no way of knowing what it could do... I just think there hasn't been any where near enough testing to deem it safe.

He seems to have decided that things he's unaware of or doesn't understand simply don't exist. Mad.

What exactly is he expecting to suddenly jump out after 6 months and hundreds of millions of doses?

[Rinkals]

Tons of them down at Exeter (Williams, Hepburn, Nowell etc). Something in the water I reckon.

Where's Bridlington?

I have a FB 'freind' (widow of an old team mate) who is absolutely loopy about the Bill Gates mind control thing.

[Rinkals]

Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

[Saint]

Another good thread on the Indian variant from John Burn-Murdoch

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

[Rinkals]

Yeah - I suspect the final unlock will be have to be delayed a bit to let vax rollout reach a wider population. Probably only talking about a couple of weeks or so

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

[Biffer]

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

[Sandstorm]

Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

[Paddington Bear]

That's why it doesn't make sense to withhold vaccines from poorer countries which will incubate ever more resistant forms.

Well, I guess it may make sense financially, though, TBF.

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

[FalseBayFC]

Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

[Biffer]

Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

Yeah, it is. Somewhere is going to get it first and any country that produces vaccine will give it to their own citizens first. New Zealand currently has less than 10% of people with one dose btw. Uganda has more people having had at least one dose than NZ (570k vs 340k).

[BnM]

Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

[Rinkals]

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

[Rinkals]

Not sure what point you're making? No-one is sitting on a stockpile of vaccine

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

[Paddington Bear]

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

The UK explicitly isn't and has produced a vaccine at cost.

Good on them.

However, 'at cost' in the UK is probably significantly more expensive than it is in India or South Africa.

Which is why the AZ vaccine has been licenced for production by the Serum Institute of India and I believe partners in SA as well

[Hal Jordan]

Average age of those infected is 29. Which on one level is great, shows the impact on vaccines. On the other hand it calls into question the lifting of restrictions next month. There's a big Palestine march in Bradford planned for this weekend....

Provided they all end up at a sporting event, concert, restaurant or pub they should be OK.

As for that idiot Slade, I have an underlying health issue and was first in the queue for the jab when my cohort opened up. My father in law is on insulin and went straight for the vaccine. And who will now anger JMK with a colossal defensive rick once an England match if Slade gets cut?

Although knowing Jones' contrarian stance on everything, he'll probably force the England squad to drink a mixture of milk and Slade's blood just to spite us.

[tc27]

I think on the whole take up is good enough that we can probably accommodate the odd crank like Slade who refuses to take it - as much as it pisses me off I don't think people should be legally forced into having it.

[FalseBayFC]

Rinkals, leave the loopy Covid supply theories to False Bay.

No-one is going to NOT sell vaccines to 3 billion poor people. There’s a shit-tonne of money to be made.

Yes but Israel will get vaccines before Palestine. New Zealand will get vaccines before Uganda. Just how the world is.

Yeah, it is. Somewhere is going to get it first and any country that produces vaccine will give it to their own citizens first. New Zealand currently has less than 10% of people with one dose btw. Uganda has more people having had at least one dose than NZ (570k vs 340k).

Not sure that New Zealand, Australia, Canada and most European countries manufacture the vaccines they are administering.

[Biffer]

For Europe, the EU is one country wrt vaccine provision. The others are fundamentally money talks, which is shit, no argument from me. But do you seriously expect a National government to step aside and say they won’t do their best to protect their own citizens?

[Biffer]

They may not be sitting on stockpiles, but they are making them unaffordable.

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Aspen Pharma have partnered with J&J to produce their vaccine in SA. Bio vac are partnering with a US company to produce vaccine as well. But you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly produce these vaccines - most of them are a different technology to what’s currently done in SA. Look at how long it took the EU to get their manufacturing plants up and running. SII took a long time to get up to current levels as well, and they’re a longer established facility used to producing at scale. There’s a limited number of people who understand the scale up process.

[FalseBayFC]

For Europe, the EU is one country wrt vaccine provision. The others are fundamentally money talks, which is shit, no argument from me. But do you seriously expect a National government to step aside and say they won’t do their best to protect their own citizens?

Hopefully it will be different for the next pandemic. I firmly believe putting national interest first is what made this such a mess. A little more co-operation between nations would have made a big difference here

[Biffer]

Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

Dai Lama on Twitter suggesting it’s a clever ploy to always pass an HIA as this is now his baseline.

[Tichtheid]

Part of a wee "do your own research" type cult down there, isn't he?

So he's anti lockdown, anti vaccine.....

Henry Slade is Dozy?

Dai Lama on Twitter suggesting it’s a clever ploy to always pass an HIA as this is now his baseline.

[Rinkals]

It’s availability, not affordability, that’s the problem. There’s billions sitting in COVAX unspent as they’re not available.

https://sacoronavirus.co.za/2021/01/03/ ... -strategy/

South Africa has world-class clinical, sociological, epidemiological, and laboratory research expertise, and this has been the basis of the development of a wide-ranging research agenda for COVID-19 including vaccine development. The South African government is supporting the efforts of South African research institutions and vaccine manufacturing sites to conduct and contribute to research to accelerate the development and manufacture of promising COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. In addition, research institutions and manufacturing sites have partnered with international vaccine manufacturers and research allowing the country to make significant contributions to vaccine development efforts.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/ ... e-vaccines

Nzimande told the media on Monday that government, through the Department of Science and Innovation (DSI), owns a 47.5% stake in Biovac, a biopharmaceutical company.

“The company has over the years developed the capability to manufacture vaccines,” he said.

Last year, the Minister launched an initiative, which sees Biovac manufacturing Hexaxim in partnership with Sanofi.

Hexaxim is the world's first liquid hexavalent vaccine that protects against diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenza type B, and poliomyelitis.

“So, we do have a foundation that we need to build on,” he stressed.

https://theconversation.com/vaccine-pro ... ped-153204

India illustrates this well. The Serum Institute of India, a privately owned pharmaceutical company, is manufacturing large quantities of the University of Oxford/AstraZeneca and Novavax COVID-19 vaccines. The company scheduled to reach 100 million doses produced a month by March 2021. In return, India will keep a portion of the vaccines it manufactures – reportedly 100 million doses in the first instance.

As far as I can see, it's the issue of Intellectual Property which is preventing Countries from having a free hand in producing vaccines.

India's production is under licence, which obviously carries a financial burden.

It's not that vaccines cannot be produced there, it's that the cost of licenses makes it uneconomic.

Which is my whole point.

If you want to eradicate this disease, poor people need to be inoculated as well.

Otherwise the virus can incubate ever more resistant strains. Which may be beneficial to the industry.

Aspen Pharma have partnered with J&J to produce their vaccine in SA. Bio vac are partnering with a US company to produce vaccine as well. But you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly produce these vaccines - most of them are a different technology to what’s currently done in SA. Look at how long it took the EU to get their manufacturing plants up and running. SII took a long time to get up to current levels as well, and they’re a longer established facility used to producing at scale. There’s a limited number of people who understand the scale up process.

If the poorer nations are not capable of producing vaccines (something which may be in dispute), then why is a moratorium on the IP out of the question? At the very least any licence to produce the vaccine should be at no cost.

Look, I understand the premise that the companies that spent decades developing these vaccines should be able to profit from them, but I just think that allowing the virus to incubate and develop resistant strains outside of the wealthy nations who have funded the research is short sighted. Or maybe long-sighted depending on whether your only objective is profit.